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happyoutscan

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Best analogy of this thread I've seen. Any attempt to discuss anything in detail ends up with a "Leo leaked it to a pal, the end" level of discussion.

Start another thread in Conspiracy Theories then.

Bubbaclaus

happyoutscan wrote: »

Start another thread in Conspiracy Theories then.

I don't understand you sorry. I'm not saying any theories, simply commenting on the poor level of debate in this thread in particular.

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Best analogy of this thread I've seen. Any attempt to discuss anything in detail ends up with a "Leo leaked it to a pal, the end" level of discussion.

I find the thread is littered with a few posters constantly trying to stop us talking about the thread topic to discuss things they might be able to debunk. Like it some how cancels out Leo leaking to his pal.

In fact if, which is likely, no charges are brought, we'll see some folk selling it as vindication, when it won't be.

James Brown

James Brown wrote: »

I find the thread is littered with a few posters constantly trying to stop us talking about the thread topic to discuss things they might be able to debunk. Like it some how cancels out Leo leaking to his pal.

In fact if, which is likely, no charges are brought, we'll see some folk selling it as vindication, when it won't be.

It's gaslighting, it's their default tactic

RandomName2

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Best analogy of this thread I've seen. Any attempt to discuss anything in detail ends up with a "Leo leaked it to a pal, the end" level of discussion.

I think I have broken this thread. Nobody has been able to argue the points I made, and I've lost the energy to keep badgering their pathetic excuses any longer. I genuinely suggest people looking for meaningful conversation who subsequently stumble upon this thread don't engage any further in the echo chamber, it only encourages them.

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't think you understand the meaning of a strawman argument

Oh McMurphy, I was quoting someone you're defending.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's gaslighting, it's their default tactic

You won't comment on this McMurphy, but it's same sort of deal.

Deflect, dodge, regurgitate. Clap each other on the back. Rinse, repeat. You'd need to rinse off some of that grease.

jmcc wrote: »

Some are doing it to actively stop the fact that Varadkar leaked a confidential document to his friend being discussed and there is an element of exhibitionism ("Look at me, I'm smarter than you all and that's why it is my thread" type activity) with others.

What was the betting that you were going to run away from the argument?

I actually thought you would engage that time as it was kind of last chance saloon. Surely jmcc couldn't peddle the same line again? Not slide away like James Brown? Perhaps retreat from Goodey's letter and suggest another possible motive, or possibly move away altogether from corruption and take a different stance?

But nope, just the same old drivel. FG is bad, Leo leaked to a friend.

I really do intend not to check back on this thread, so feel free to have the last word. Something about FG, about deflection, not understanding what I'm saying, Leo leaking, a mix of the above. I'm sure ye will figure it out.

Suckit

For somebody that (specifically) mentions white noise a lot, and the thread has no point etc. You're championing yourself a bit much.

Bubbaclaus

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

Bubbaclaus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

I thought Regina said anyone who gets murdered by loyalists was as a result of their own actions

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

That's a disgrace, and should be condemned by any right thinking individual!

Did he receive the death threats because he passed confidential information to zero craic, or was it for some other reason?

BettyS

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

This is a disgraceful reflection on Irish society, that a political figure has been forced to leave his residence due to security concerns. Like him or loath him, he has a right to a personal life. And I wonder if the latent homophobia in society today is the reason why Matt is constantly dragged into debates. Certain individuals profess in civilised society to be okay with homosexuality, but dig a little deeper and one realises their extremely conservative views have not gone anywhere

McMurphy

costacorta wrote: »

That’s the SF/IRA online brigade for you. As Grizzly said We haven’t gone away you know.

Sure that’st the way Scumbags always did their business if you don’t do as we say we will shoot you or kneecap you ..

Remember jean Mc Conville and more recently Paul Quinn that’s what the scum who vote SF/IRA are all about ..

That's about 4 times now you've brought "SF/IRA" into the thread (I thought Ian Paisley had died btw) however you're way off the mark.

BettyS wrote: »

This is a disgraceful reflection on Irish society, that a political figure has been forced to leave his residence due to security concerns. Like him or loath him, he has a right to a personal life. And I wonder if the latent homophobia in society today is the reason why Matt is constantly dragged into debates.

The people issuing these threats won't take kindly to being described as "Irish" would be my guess.

Loyalists aren't exactly known for their Irish passports and declaring Irish as their nationality on census forms


It's an interesting development, mad how these things always happen same time there's woeful polls on the govt.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

That's about 4 times now you've brought "SF/IRA" into the thread (I thought Ian Paisley had died btw) however you're way off the mark.



The people issuing these threats won't take kindly to being described as "Irish" would be my guess.

Loyalists aren't exactly known for their Irish passports and declaring Irish as their nationality on census forms


It's an interesting development, mad how these things always happen same time there's woeful polls on the govt.

Are you suggesting the story is made up because of his poll?

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you suggesting the story is made up because of his poll?

No. I'm suggesting it's still the same story about loyalists threatening varadkar because of the sea border due to the same Brexit they were instrumental in getting over the line.

It's rehashed the same weekend as a disastrous poll.

And it's got absolutely nothing, zero, zilch and nada to do with this thread which is about him leaking confidential documents relating to a €210m contract between the IMO and the Irish govt to his pal, who happened to be the head of the IMOs rival organisation the NAGP, and the criminal investigation by the guards that is being conducted on the back of that.

shtpEdthePlum

Him having to move has more to do with him being useless in other areas of his job and exactly nothing to do with this thread's topic.

Maybe a title change would be preferred "Leo Varadkar - shining example of trendy, competent leadership or serially corrupt, lawless waster?"

Bubbaclaus

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Him having to move has more to do with him being useless in other areas of his job and exactly nothing to do with this thread's topic.

Probably has more to do with the death threats I would say plum.

McMurphy

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Him having to move has more to do with him being useless in other areas of his job and exactly nothing to do with this thread's topic.

Maybe a title change would be preferred "Leo Varadkar - shining example of trendy, competent leadership or serially corrupt, lawless waster?

Yes of course, probably better suited for the FFG thread or the FG to do nothing one

It's not relative to this thread however, which is about him passing confidential information, and the guards criminally investigations him for that.

And besides...........Leo doesn't seem too bothered by it anyway.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1378607702188945408?s=19

IngazZagni

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Him having to move has more to do with him being useless in other areas of his job and exactly nothing to do with this thread's topic.
"

What an utterly ridiculous comment.

I suppose now it'll be okay to force Stephen Kenny out of his home for the useless job he's doing with the Irish football team?

shtpEdthePlum

IngazZagni wrote: »

What an utterly ridiculous comment.

Please explain how. The thread is currently about how he leaked documents as per the title. Many came on here this morning attempting to point fingers at people who want to discuss that story as somehow responsible for death threats he received due to people in Belfast thinking he's erasing their identity. I don't even know the particulars of that story and had to further research it to respond here because the article posted was behind a pay wall.

So I'm ridiculous for highlighting that the story about him moving house is totally irrelevant. Cool.

IngazZagni wrote: »

I suppose now it'll be okay to force Stephen Kenny out of his home for the useless job he's doing with the Irish football team?

I don't know anything about whatever that is either.

McMurphy

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Please explain how. The thread is currently about how he leaked documents as per the title. Many came on here last night attempting to point fingers at people who want to discuss that story as somehow responsible for death threats he received due to people in Belfast thinking he's erasing their identity. I don't even know the particulars of that story and had to further research it to respond here because the article posted was behind a pay wall.

So I'm ridiculous for highlighting that the story about him moving house is totally irrelevant. Cool.



I don't know anything about whatever that is either.

Here's a version that's not behind a PayPal, very wishy-washy and light on details, however there's this.

This news comes just days after Leo and Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney were targeted in graffiti that appeared in Belfast.

Which is undoubtedly a continuation of this.

A heightened security operation, involving the Garda and Police Service of Northern Ireland, will be put in place when senior members of the Government go to Northern Ireland following an increase in the threat level posed to them by loyalist groups.

from the 21st of March.

I don't think loyalists care about Leo leaking the details of a vibrant though, hence why it's got zero to do with this thread.

shtpEdthePlum

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Him having to move has more to do with him being useless in other areas of his job and exactly nothing to do with this thread's topic.

Maybe a title change would be preferred "Leo Varadkar - shining example of trendy, competent leadership or serially corrupt, lawless waster?"

Satisfaction with the government’s handling of the pandemic was at its highest when Leo was in charge.

Bubbaclaus

To quote my good friend McMurphy in relation to posters claiming a news article about Varadkar is off topic in a thread about Varadkar:

McMurphy wrote: »

Imagine talking about Leo Varadkar in a Leo Varadkar thread.

This became a general Varadkar thread months ago. Anything Varadkar related has been put in here over that time. To suddenly have an issue about it right now when an article about him having to move house because of credible death threats is posted, having previously been fine with it, is an odd one.

Nobotty

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar thread so would ye ever make your minds up
Ive lost interest as I said yesterday in the palava that is the frankly virulently unhealthy tit for tat regurgitations on 'that document' untill theres something new newsworthy

On the death threat's I'd have thought everyone should be leaping to his defence on that one considering he's riled beligerent ardent loyalists with new laws that put them in their place,the protocol
The cheek of them

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar thread so would ye ever make your minds up
Ive lost interest as I said yesterday in the palava that is the frankly virulently unhealthy tit for tat regurgitations on 'that document' untill theres something new newsworthy

On the death threat's I'd have thought everyone should be leaping to his defence on that one considering he's riled beligerent ardent loyalists with new laws that put them in their place,the protocol
The cheek of them

Maybe now we'll hear FG call out the political facilitators of these guys and gals, instead of cozying up to them at party conference time and applauding them.

Loafing Oaf

Nobotty wrote: »

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar

Do we know for a fact that the 'credible death threat' is coming from loyalists?

This article doesn't directlly link the two
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leo-varadkar-update-tanaiste-forced-20318528

Cilldara_2000

Just mentioned on the wireless that his people were in touch and he hasn't actually had to move.

jmcc

Looks like a concerted effort to shift the narrative again. The Sunday Independent runs a story on Varadkar having to move due to Loyalist death threats. The problem is that the "death threats" story is frequently rolled out whenever FG politicians have problems and the Sunday Independent isn't exactly known for unbiased journalism when it comes to FG. The Kantor poll showing that the electorate is not happy with FFG's handling of of the Covid situation is also front page news.

Varadkar's leaking of a confidential document to his friend and his refusal to act honourably and stand down while the criminal investigation is active is a major problem for FG. There is always a vociferous diehard element who will vote for FG no matter what but General Elections are decided by the floating vote. Given the low standards in high places problem that is affecting FG, some of that floating vote may shift now that the pro-FFG/Labour media landscape has changed due to Dinny O'Brien having to sell his shares in IN&M for around 44 million Euro (they cost him about 500 million Euro) and having also sold his Communicorp radio stations to Bauer. Without the Dinnycorp support, Varadkar and FG may find things more difficult in the next elections. IN&M had been bought by the Belgian Mediahuis company by the time of the last GE but its website hadn't a functioning paywall. The situation is different now and much of that FG support in the Sunday Independent and Independent newspapers is behind a paywall so the pro-FG propaganda will play a smaller part in the next GE.

FG is lucky that FF has an creepy and incompetent Mr Burns type character as leader and taoiseach because if FF had a decent leader, Varadkar would have been asked to temporarily resign as soon as this story broke. The decline of FF (11%) is a major factor in Varadkar's survival as tainiste. If there is a decision to prosecute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, the first casualty will probably be Martin in a leadership challenge because the risk of a GE would be lower than if the incompetent Martin suddenly grew a spine and asked Varadkar to step down as tainiste while the criminal investigation into Varadkar leaking a confidential document to his friend is active.

Regards...jmcc

Nobotty

jmcc wrote: »

Looks like a concerted effort to shift the narrative again. The Sunday Independent runs a story on Varadkar having to move due to Loyalist death threats. The problem is that the "death threats" story is frequently rolled out whenever FG politicians have problems and the Sunday Independent isn't exactly known for unbiased journalism when it comes to FG. The Kantor poll showing that the electorate is not happy with FFG's handling of of the Covid situation is also front page news.


Regards...jmcc

You're funny and must be desperate conflating this governments sloppy handling of the covid crisis with the document business
The two are as related as chalk and cheese
Of more concern and a wake up call should be Fine Gaels support being regularally 10 points up on its GE performance
Its probably a discussion more for the government or the FG threads but I find it gas FG are attacking a cohort all the time who'll never vote for them and the Shinners doing the same
It will be really no surprise if they decide to govern together next time or the time after or both
Whats it all for? Position jockeying
Good luck with that

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you suggesting the story is made up because of his poll?

"Varadkars people" confirmed on radio 1 earlier that he hasn't had to move house at all.

There you go, proof that you shouldn't blindly believe everything you read in the papers lads.

jmcc

Nobotty wrote: »

You're funny and must be desperate conflating this governments sloppy handling of the covid crisis with the document business
The two are as related as chalk and cheese

Both speak to the compentence and quality of those in government.

Of more concern and a wake up call should be Fine Gaels support being regularally 10 points up on its GE performance

Concern for whom? Varadkar led FG to one of its worst GE defeats ever and it was due, in no small part, to his allowing Charlie Flanagan nearly destroy the FG election campaign with his Black and Tans/RIC commemoration. FG was around 30% in the opinion polls in late 2019. It lost almost 10% between then and the GE. If there is a snap GE in the Summer or Autumn and it coincides with the DPP deciding to prosectute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, then it is possible that FG could, once again, lose over 10% support in the GE. The danger for FG is that a DPP decision to prosectute Varadkar could become an election issue. First: Charlie Tan'agan. Next: Leo the Leak.

Regards...jmcc

Loafing Oaf

jmcc wrote: »

If there is a snap GE in the Summer or Autumn and it coincides with the DPP deciding to prosectute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, then it is possible that FG could, once again, lose over 10% support in the GE. The danger for FG is that a DPP decision to prosectute Varadkar could become an election issue.

I find it hard to see why there would be an election this year but even if there was, I think it would be fairly straightforward for FG to put, ahem, clear blue water between themselves and Leo. If he is charged he steps aside as leader for the duration of proceedings, if he is convicted he resigns his Dail seat and probably as a member of FG... After all, the leak was a private frolic of his own, no reason it should taint the party as a whole...