Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Jinglejangle69

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Funny because everyone I spoke to today, about fifteen different people from all walks of life and demographics. All but one brought up that story without prompting.

Actually I instigated the first conversation, because I thought they might not have been following it to now. But they knew the whole case. And that person is in their 70s and watches predominantly RTÉ and read the Sunday Times today, and even they knew the entirety of the story.

It's parochial gossip. It's absolutely scandalous. It doesn't help that Humphries stuck her beak in it first thing this morning.

"Nobody will even hear about this" is the new "Nothing will come of this". And before that, the denial was "nobody will even hear about this". Next it's going to be "Nothing will even happen to him" and after that it will be "Hardly anything will even happen to him" and after that it'll be further revisionism.

Just proves my point of the nonsense here that the media are trying to bury the story.

In this day and age its impossible.

Absolute conspiracy theory waffle.

shtpEdthePlum

Yeah shur it's not worth even putting on the news because everyone will hear about it anyway.

Is that about right?

Death throes, for Leo and his defenders both.

jmcc

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Yeah shur it's not worth even putting on the news because everyone will hear about it anyway.

Is that about right?

Death throes, for Leo and his defenders both.

The interesting thing to watch will be the number of them that reinvent themselves as Coveney voters/supporters. There does seem to be a chill wind blowing around FG tonight as Varadkar loses favour. Perhaps the FG grassroots were right and the FG Oireachtas gang were terribly wrong after trying to reinvent themselves after Enda Kenny's reign of error.

Regards...jmcc

Jinglejangle69

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Yeah shur it's not worth even putting on the news because everyone will hear about it anyway.

Is that about right?

Death throes, for Leo and his defenders both.

It is worth putting in the news like it has been put in the news.

The fact its in the news even further proves my point that there is no big conspiracy to bury the story like some have in their heads here.

Doesitmatter21

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It is worth putting in the news like it has been put in the news.

The fact its in the news even further proves my point that there is no big conspiracy to bury the story like some have in their heads here.

RTE and The Irish Times have done there best to try keep it quiet. Not a peep out of them until it was everywhere else

Muahahaha

https://twitter.com/Sal_feeko/status/1370883577542545409

So when Sinn Fein held a motion of no confidence on Leo Varadkar for leaking the GP contract to his friend Dr Zero Craic Fine Gael then called on Sinn Fein to pay for the cost of the motion of no confidence, 25,000 euro. They attacked Sinn Fein for daring to call a motion of no confidence in their Dear Leader and spread this message all over social media.

Well doesnt this now mean the Blueshirts up on their moral high horse should pay for the cost of the Garda investigation into their leader Leo the Leak? Thats the standard they've set after all. Fine Gael are now wasting taxpayers money because a rake of detectives are now investigating the nefarious activities of its leader and by their own standards they should be the ones to foot the bill. Will it happen, not a hope. But it will be just another example of the hypocrisy of Fine Gael.

And for what its worth the 25k spent on that motion of no confidence was worth every single penny. Because we now have the entire Fine Gael parliamentary party on record in the Dail voting confidence in Varadkar over this very issue. If Leo goes down over this then what does that say about the judgement of every member of Fine Gael? They will have voted confidence in a criminal, nice work lads

smurgen

Muahahaha wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Sal_feeko/status/1370883577542545409

So when Sinn Fein held a motion of no confidence on Leo Varadkar for leaking the GP contract to his friend Dr Zero Craic Fine Gael then called on Sinn Fein to pay for the cost of the motion of no confidence, 25,000 euro. They attacked Sinn Fein for daring to call a motion of no confidence in their Dear Leader and spread this message all over social media.

Well doesnt this now mean the Blueshirts up on their moral high horse should pay for the cost of the Garda investigation into their leader Leo the Leak? Thats the standard they've set after all. Fine Gael are now wasting taxpayers money because a rake of detectives are now investigating the nefarious activities of its leader and by their own standards they should be the ones to foot the bill. Will it happen, not a hope. But it will be just another example of the hypocrisy of Fine Gael.

And for what its worth the 25k spent on that motion of no confidence was worth every single penny. Because we now have the entire Fine Gael parliamentary party on record in the Dail voting confidence in Varadkar over this very issue. If Leo goes down over this then what does that say about the judgement of every member of Fine Gael? They will have voted confidence in a criminal, nice work lads

This is it. They're in too deep. You'd have to wonder what the tipping point will be. The level of unity in support is startling. Looks almost like coercive control. You'd have to wonder what sort of intimidation is done behind closed doors.

Bubbaclaus

The claims of a mainstream media cover up by some in here, when all the main newspapers have reported on it (one even broke it) is a bit too deep state QAnon territory for my liking.

Floppybits

smurgen wrote: »

This is it. They're in too deep. You'd have to wonder what the tipping point will be. The level of unity in support is startling. Looks almost like coercive control. You'd have to wonder what sort of intimidation is done behind closed doors.

There is no tipping point all those who voted confidence in Varadkar. They know if the government falls they are going to be slaughtered by the electorate. The wagons will be circled to protect Varadkar and their own arses

Doesitmatter21

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The claims of a mainstream media cover up by some in here, when all the main newspapers have reported on it (one even broke it) is a bit too deep state QAnon territory for my liking.

Whats your opinion on the actual story about Leo or are you here just to nit pick at silly things?

elperello

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-rejects-allegations-he-acted-unlawfully-in-sharing-draft-gp-contract-1.4396697

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1031/1175125-leo-varadkar/

Links to Irish Times and RTE covering this story from Oct 31/Nov 1 2020.

Both have consistently updated the story since.

shtpEdthePlum

There's hardly a claim that they didn't cover the story at all. It's just supposedly not a well-read story according to the Irish Times, and RTÉ have been sparse with their coverage as well considering it's former and intended (supposedly) future Taoiseach and a hairy AF corruption scandal. It's unusual that there's a "business as usual" attitude to this by the conservative media when everybody knows the story regardless of RTÉ/IT lack of enthusiasm for it.

There's no doubt about it now. The targets are fixed and the guns are loaded like. It's not possible to unpull the trigger.

Bubbaclaus

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

Whats your opinion on the actual story about Leo or are you here just to nit pick at silly things?

I've given my opinion in this thread previously on several occasions. Nothing new has come to light in a good while so I don't feel it is necessary to rehash all that. If and when new information is released at the end of the investigation then I can give any updated thoughts then.

The deep state conspiracy stuff in here today though certainly is alarming - I don't find it "silly" (as you put it) in the slightest. Stuff like that has shown itself to be a danger to democracy elsewhere.

shtpEdthePlum

Please clarify, what is a danger to democracy. Politicians being exposed as criminals when they commit crimes?

golfball37

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The claims of a mainstream media cover up by some in here, when all the main newspapers have reported on it (one even broke it) is a bit too deep state QAnon territory for my liking.

It’s not on the independent front page as of four hours ago. The current Tanaiste and former Taoiseach is less newsworthy than Ireland beating Scotland or some X factor contestant.

Have a look at their top stories section. The story is nowhere in front page. It’s not Qanon to call that strange or even deliberate

https://m.independent.ie/

Bubbaclaus

golfball37 wrote: »

It’s not on the independent front page as of four hours ago. The current Tanaiste and former Taoiseach is less newsworthy than Ireland beating Scotland or some X factor contestant.

Have a look at their top stories section. The story is nowhere in front page. It’s not Qanon to call that strange or even deliberate

https://m.independent.ie/

There's no Varadkar related items in the top 50 twitter trends in Ireland right now either. Is the big cover up going all the way to Silicon Valley?

https://getdaytrends.com/ireland/

People need to step back from the edge a bit. Deep State/QAnon type stuff can suck people in without them even realising.

Doesitmatter21

golfball37 wrote: »

It’s not on the independent front page as of four hours ago. The current Tanaiste and former Taoiseach is less newsworthy than Ireland beating Scotland or some X factor contestant.

Have a look at their top stories section. The story is nowhere in front page. It’s not Qanon to call that strange or even deliberate

https://m.independent.ie/

The first ever Walrus to land in Ireland (the replys to that on twitter suggest the first one was in the 1800s) is more important

Bubbaclaus

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

The first ever Walrus to land in Ireland (the replys to that on twitter suggest the first one was in the 1800s) is more important

I was wondering why Walrus was trending on twitter, that explains that one then!

golfball37

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

There's no Varadkar related items in the top 50 twitter trends in Ireland right now either. Is the big cover up going all the way to Silicon Valley?

https://getdaytrends.com/ireland/

People need to step back from the edge a bit. Deep State/QAnon type stuff can suck people in without them even realising.

Keep deflecting. I find it strange that a national newspaper does not consider this a story worthy of being on their homepage. They have stories about a walrus in Kerry and a former X factor contestant in their top story section. No mention at all of the current Tanaiste being investigated as a criminal however. Maybe we just differ on what’s newsworthy

If that’s a definition of a qanon however in finding that fact bizarre?

Bubbaclaus

golfball37 wrote: »

Keep deflecting. I find it strange that a national newspaper does not consider this a story worthy of being on their homepage. They have stories about a walrus in Kerry and a former X factor contestant in their top story section. No mention at all of the current Tanaiste being investigated as a criminal however. Maybe we just differ on what’s newsworthy

If that’s a definition of a qanon however in finding that fact bizarre?

Ah yes, "keep deflecting", the stock response when someone doesn't have anything of substance left to say. You were the one that responded to me remember.

Feel free to find it "bizarre" all you like. I often have big interest in various things and would likewise find it bizarre that the general population doesn't share the same interest. Nothing wrong with that.

Stepping into conspiracy land however, and believing there is a coordinated cover up across all irish media and global social media websites like Twitter along with it is a bit more 'out there' though, to put it nicely.

jmcc

golfball37 wrote: »

Keep deflecting. I find it strange that a national newspaper does not consider this a story worthy of being on their homepage.

Look at the stories with which they are leading. They are trying to get people to subscribe rather than to provide news. The other aspect is that yesterday was Sunday and the main focus for the front page will be different to that of a weekday. Even RTE uses wireservice content from PA, AFP and, I think, Reuters to pad out the relatively low level of locally generated content. It isn't a conspiracy. It is the news business.

Regards...jmcc

markodaly

Yes, RTE, the Indo et all, all have a conspiracy to subvert the justice system...
Trump would be very very proud of the level of debate here.

Doesitmatter21

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, RTE, the Indo et all, all have a conspiracy to subvert the justice system...
Trump would be very very proud of the level of debate here.

You have yet to comment on the news today, just smart comments as per

Interesting week ahead for the party of law and order

golfball37

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Ah yes, "keep deflecting", the stock response when someone doesn't have anything of substance left to say. You were the one that responded to me remember.

Feel free to find it "bizarre" all you like. I often have big interest in various things and would likewise find it bizarre that the general population doesn't share the same interest. Nothing wrong with that.

Stepping into conspiracy land however, and believing there is a coordinated cover up across all irish media and global social media websites like Twitter along with it is a bit more 'out there' though, to put it nicely.

I never mentioned a co ordinated cover up at all, you did. I said I find it strange and probably deliberate one national newspaper doesn’t deem it newsworthy.

To try and pass that opinion off as what you present is deflection imo. It’s like tarring people who criticise varadkar as a shinner no matter what their politics are.

Doesitmatter21

golfball37 wrote: »

I never mentioned a co ordinated cover up at all, you did. I said I find it strange and probably deliberate one national newspaper doesn’t deem it newsworthy.

To try and pass that opinion off as what you present is deflection imo. It’s like tarring people who criticise varadkar as a shinner no matter what their politics are.

But do you know there was a funeral in Belfast last year?

markodaly

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Funny because everyone I spoke to today, about fifteen different people from all walks of life and demographics. All but one brought up that story without prompting.

Ah lads, come on, this is one of those Enda Kenny stories. :pac::pac:
Also, 15 people in the middle of a level 5 lockdown?
I think not.

markodaly

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

You have yet to comment on the news today, just smart comments as per

Interesting week ahead for the party of law and order

I have, it is just you either forgot or ignored it.

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

This is it. They're in too deep. You'd have to wonder what the tipping point will be. The level of unity in support is startling. Looks almost like coercive control. You'd have to wonder what sort of intimidation is done behind closed doors.

Leo the dictator..... wow, the level of paranoia and utter disdain for the Gardai is something else to behold with some posters here.

It is very easy to say stuff like that, but there is no proof of course to back any of these scenarios.

Doesitmatter21

golfball37 wrote: »

I never mentioned a co ordinated cover up at all, you did. I said I find it strange and probably deliberate one national newspaper doesn’t deem it newsworthy.

To try and pass that opinion off as what you present is deflection imo. It’s like tarring people who criticise varadkar as a shinner no matter what their politics are.

markodaly wrote: »

I for one am glad this has been upgraded to a full investigation, as it shows the no one is above the law, and the sly comments about highly corrupt Ireland or FG is mostly nonsense.

One also has to remember that one is innocent until proven guilty. If this case was dropped, we would have a sizeable section of the internet giving out about corruption, underhanded deals and so on, with no proof mind, and this case would be no different.

An independent Gardai investigating something, without political interference is the foundation of a true Republic. Other posters and opposition parties should take note. Just like Francis Fitzgerald resigning from her cabinet position, doest infer guilt, this investigation doesn't infer guilt either. Francie Fitzgerald was 100% exonerated by Justice Charlton after the fact. I am confident the same will happen to Leo, there isn't much there from what I have read about this case.

We also have to remember, before Leo is sent to the Joy, this investigation has to be concluded, sent to the DPP, the DPP has to decide if there is enough there to get a prosecution, it then has to be sent to a court of law, where a judge will hear arguments on both sides and then decide if one is guilty....

As per Leo, stepping 'aside'. Of course not. He is still innocent of anything and this will not stop him from doing his job.

I for one am glad this has been upgraded to a full investigation, as it shows the no one is above the law

Did you call for Brian Stanley to resign over some tweets??

markodaly

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

Did you call for Brian Stanley to resign over some tweets??

You tell me? As a new poster you should know how to search my posts.
Anyway, its a tad off-topic, no?