Star Trek Discovery Season 3 episode 2- That Hope is You, Part 2

AMKC

Just getting it out there early. Am hoping this 2nd part is better than the 1st part.
Looking forward go it.

pixelburp

Presumably we will catch up with Discovery's perspective post wormhole. Seems like the natural course for the story to take.

It's a broader question about the eventual season but I wonder if we'll meet the reduced Federation. I had expected it to be dead altogether but sounds like there are still ships (albeit a mere two in the sector we visited in Part 1)

corkie

Not the correct title for the episode.

Some guides have it labeled

"Far from Home (2)"

Spoiler links: -

https://thetvdb.com/series/star-trek-discovery/episodes/7995101
https://trakt.tv/shows/star-trek-discovery/seasons/3/episodes/2

Looks like I guessed what would happen in the episode here: -

corkie wrote: »

.......

It will probably take a few episodes for 'world' (/timeline) building of the show.

Having the ship not in the episode, when we know it is going to arrive eventually? Probably episode 2, will feature the ships journey?

^^^ Cross Thread quote.

mikhail

What day do the episodes drop?

corkie

mikhail wrote: »

What day do the episodes drop?

Thursday US ~ CBS All Access
Friday EU ~ Netflix

liamtech

Pretty boring episode if im honest

Im thoroughly underwhelmed by discovery since the the later half of Season 2. I just cannot embrace the concept this season, so far anyway

'All of the dilithium exploded' - yea.. right

This is off topic but in all honesty, i have not felt this underwhelmed about a trek series since Enterprise season 2, when i suspected it would be cancelled. There are plenty of trek haters out there of course, but i dont count myself among their number..

That said when i compare this to Picard, it falls far short.

It is just not an enjoyable season so far, and its incredibly predictable

-Did anyone doubt that Superwomen/Michael would show up and save the day
- Did anyone doubt that Georgiou would save the day
- The tension is artificial (of course she wasnt going to kill the bad guy, etc etc
- As for the mystery surrounding 'Detmer' in this episode - i dont care, i just literally cannot care.
- The only good thing about this episode was the lack of Michael

Yea again its not a general hatred of discovery, I loved season 1 (especially the mirror arc) - and season 2 had some wonderful episodes. But the general plot is just uninteresting. What limited knowledge we have of the 30th Century + Alpha Quadrant makes it unbelievable that an organization like the federation could be literally wiped out

Also, and more practically

Discovery should have been destroyed when it crashed - compare to Voyager in timeless (half the decks compressed) - and a ship 100+ years older, suffers some blown fuses, and a few casualties, and concussions???????

I will keep watching and hope for a breakthrough episode that really kicks this off - but i have the feeling discovery's days are numbered as a TV show

Picard, Strange New Worlds, these are hopefully the future of trek

ilovesmybrick

liamtech wrote: »

Pretty boring episode if im honest

Im thoroughly underwhelmed by discovery since the the later half of Season 2. I just cannot embrace the concept this season, so far anyway

'All of the dilithium exploded' - yea.. right

This is off topic but in all honesty, i have not felt this underwhelmed about a trek series since Enterprise season 2, when i suspected it would be cancelled. There are plenty of trek haters out there of course, but i dont count myself among their number..

That said when i compare this to Picard, it falls far short.

It is just not an enjoyable season so far, and its incredibly predictable

-Did anyone doubt that Superwomen/Michael would show up and save the day
- Did anyone doubt that Georgiou would save the day
- The tension is artificial (of course she wasnt going to kill the bad guy, etc etc
- As for the mystery surrounding 'Detmer' in this episode - i dont care, i just literally cannot care.
- The only good thing about this episode was the lack of Michael

Yea again its not a general hatred of discovery, I loved season 1 (especially the mirror arc) - and season 2 had some wonderful episodes. But the general plot is just uninteresting. What limited knowledge we have of the 30th Century + Alpha Quadrant makes it unbelievable that an organization like the federation could be literally wiped out

Also, and more practically

Discovery should have been destroyed when it crashed - compare to Voyager in timeless (half the decks compressed) - and a ship 100+ years older, suffers some blown fuses, and a few casualties, and concussions???????

I will keep watching and hope for a breakthrough episode that really kicks this off - but i have the feeling discovery's days are numbered as a TV show

Picard, Strange New Worlds, these are hopefully the future of trek

I dunno, I think you might be being a small bit harsh, I'm actually more interested in this season than I was in the previous two. I'm treating the first two episodes as the soft reboot they were intended, and I think it won't be until episode three or four where they actually begin to explore the new universe that they find themselves in. I don't think it should be approached from the perspective that the federation was wiped out, but that the burn hastened the decline of a power on the wane. It's not a particularly large leap. The burn was approximately 140 years before the episodes we are watching, and most large powers do devolve into a gradual decline. We also don't know where in the galaxy they found themselves. They could be on the far edges of what was Federation space, and perhaps some of the core worlds have kept some semblance of the Federation alive

based on the preview I think we'll find out next week, since it seems like they're at Earth and find starfleet

As for discovery crashing, maybe, but they did do the hand waving 'employ graviton beams' thing, and when Voyager crashed it was coming out of slipstream and at an incredible speed. Discovery was at impulse velocities and they did have some time for manoevering the ship to take some of the damage

I hope it's not numbered as a show. Enterprise got cancelled as soon as it began to turn itself around and there was the potential for a couple of great seasons after. I think Discovery is doing a decent job of reorientating itself, and a better one than Enterprise did. I suppose the next 11 episodes will be telling!

corkie

As others have said, found this episode dragged out and I was bored by it.

Jake Weber ~ Zareh is only billed for one episode, so we won't be seeing him again?





Hopefully the season proper can get going from next week on.

Spear

It occurred to me at the end of the episode that the events of it were ultimately irrelevant. The world building of the inhabitants of that frozen world simply don't matter once Burnham shows up. It doesn't play into the larger story at all. The entire episode boils down to nothing but filler in the end.

At least we got to see some of the secondary characters for once. And it almost seems like we close to some kind of character arc for Detmer, but then it just goes nowhere.

I had hoped for better balanced and more cohesive story telling after the writers shakeup, but it doesn't appear to be manifesting.

Goodshape

I enjoyed that actually! Much better than last week.

Goodshape

Spear wrote: »

It occurred to me at the end of the episode that the events of it were ultimately irrelevant. The world building of the inhabitants of that frozen world simply don't matter once Burnham shows up. It doesn't play into the larger story at all. The entire episode boils down to nothing but filler in the end.

Isn't more stand-alone stories what we want though? Some thread running through the season, but really an episode that starts and ends within the 50 minutes is a big plus in my book.

New worlds, new civilizations.

Spear

Goodshape wrote: »

Isn't more stand-alone stories what we want though? Some thread running through the season, but really an episode that starts and ends within the 50 minutes is a big plus in my book.

New worlds, new civilizations.

Discovery doesn't really do standalones though. Strange New Worlds will have that, but Disco had previously always been about the larger arc.

Goodshape

Spear wrote: »

Disco had previously always been about the larger arc.

Yeah but the arc was consistently the worst thing about it. I'm sure there'll be another one this season (already is I guess... *waves hands mysteriously* the BURRRNN *woOOOoOoOOO*).

Who knows, maybe that will become interesting, but if they can weave that arc around some more 45 - 50 minutes adventures, I'll be happier.

Not holding my breath for it though

Sesshoumaru

Goodshape wrote: »

I enjoyed that actually! Much better than last week.

I kind of liked the first episode. But I would agree episode 2 was much better. I liked seeing the crew of Discovery, they're a good crew.

It was a bit of Star Wars cantina with a good dose of Starfleet from Saru.

This season has me more excited so far than the previous two did.

fritzelly

I rather enjoyed that episode if not just for the absence of Burnham

Anyone notice the blooper about 21 mins?

(just checked Reddit and the roll during the landing is actually a standard re-entry procedure we use now - so that was a cool bit of the plot you may have missed) - actually may just watch the whole crash scene again

Slydice

Liked that episode. Real old-western feel to it. That ending was a real pick-me-up. I'm wondering at this point if it's a case that they shouldn't use their Warp engines at all. Maybe a revisit to Force of Nature. If all Warp is off the table then that ups the stakes even more for the Discovery spore drive tech.

Dave0301

I have been fairly critical of Discovery in the past, but I thought that was a decent episode. Enjoyed it more than last week.

Tilly still annoys me, but I am learning to live with that.

I had no issue with Georgiou and her role given who she was in the mirror universe. Thought Saru played his role well, and I hope that Commander Nahn gets some more screen time.

Wouldn't be a Discovery episode without Burnham saving the day, but given the time frame, hopefully the show can kick on from here.

ilovesmybrick

I'm just wondering how long until Saru gets his fourth pip! I think in this episode he came across as one of the great Star Trek captains.

Dave0301

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

I'm just wondering how long until Saru gets his fourth pip! I think in this episode he came across as one of the great Star Trek captains.

Whoa...easy there!

He showed why he is captain material, but one of the greats!?

flazio

That's something I noticed in this episode, at least 6 characters are addressed as "Commander" Saru, Giorgiou, Nahn, Burnham, Reno and Stamets. Now hopefully a few of those are Lieutenant Commanders otherwise we could have a real boring power play dragged out.

ilovesmybrick

Dave0301 wrote: »

Whoa...easy there!

He showed why he is captain material, but one of the greats!?

I'll stand by my leap of faith!

FutureGuy

I don't understand the criticism of the episode being standalone. We saw a new world, new characters, and a good story - now we move on. Isn't that what people have been wanting?

FutureGuy

This deserves a separate post.

Nahn is one of the most unlikeably written characters in Star Trek.

"yum yum"

"Her?"

Sonics2k

I actually quite enjoyed this one, it's Trek. We experienced a new culture, got a hint at the changes over the last few hundred years. Actually quite enjoyed Saru and Tilly in this one too.

Evade

I'm just watching this episode now so I haven't read the any of the previous posts. And before it does something stupid that might colour my opinion the whole sequence before the titles felt like the a classic well executed bridge scene. Everyone was doing their thing and got a couple of lines as opposed to Burnham having all the answers.

Back to the episode.

Evade

Right, one of two things has happened.

1. Someone spiked my drink with some sort of happy drug
2. That was a good episode of Star Trek

It was a proper ensemble everyone doing something nice little interactions and overall mostly good. Stamets and Culber's scene from being woken up to activating the cellular regenerator was a particularly good character interaction.

My only real gripe is Burnham just had to save the day in the end. It would have been much better if they had gotten out on their own and met her in orbit as she was on her way to save the Discovery. Oh, and they really should address Saru as captain.

flazio

Evade wrote: »

My only real gripe is Burnham just had to save the day in the end. It would have been much better if they had gotten out on their own and met her in orbit as she was on her way to save the Discovery. Oh, and they really should address Saru as captain.

Yeah, but it seems her standards are slipping. She's been there a whole year and she hasn't saved the entire federation.

Evade

flazio wrote: »

That's something I noticed in this episode, at least 6 characters are addressed as "Commander" Saru, Giorgiou, Nahn, Burnham, Reno and Stamets. Now hopefully a few of those are Lieutenant Commanders otherwise we could have a real boring power play dragged out.

Saru is acting captain so he is in charge and it's not uncommon at all for more than one person on a ship to hold the same rank as the commanding officer. In the US Navy the captain, XO, CAG, and Chief Medical officer on an aircraft carrier would all typically hold the rank of captain. Destroyers' CO and XO are often both (full) commanders too.

Spear wrote: »

It occurred to me at the end of the episode that the events of it were ultimately irrelevant. The world building of the inhabitants of that frozen world simply don't matter once Burnham shows up. It doesn't play into the larger story at all. The entire episode boils down to nothing but filler in the end.

I think that while this particular planet won't show up again it can be considered as a stand in for the general attitudes of people across the former Federation.

EltonJohn69

Sonics2k wrote: »

I actually quite enjoyed this one, it's Trek. We experienced a new culture, got a hint at the changes over the last few hundred years. Actually quite enjoyed Saru and Tilly in this one too.

It’s pretty clear that they are setting up a Saru/Tilly space wedding.

Evade

Evade wrote: »

Right, one of two things has happened.

1. Someone spiked my drink with some sort of happy drug
2. That was a good episode of Star Trek

It was a proper ensemble everyone doing something nice little interactions and overall mostly good. Stamets and Culber's scene from being woken up to activating the cellular regenerator was a particularly good character interaction.

My only real gripe is Burnham just had to save the day in the end. It would have been much better if they had gotten out on their own and met her in orbit as she was on her way to save the Discovery. Oh, and they really should address Saru as captain.

They were going to have to run into her at some stage. Better now than have two completely different stories.

CramCycle

liamtech wrote: »

-Did anyone doubt that Superwomen/Michael would show up and save the day

I thought it would be the guy they left in the bar with his new ship

- Did anyone doubt that Georgiou would save the day

That was pretty predictable

- The tension is artificial (of course she wasnt going to kill the bad guy, etc etc

She could have but then they would have to decide to neuter Saru or have one of the two die

- As for the mystery surrounding 'Detmer' in this episode - i dont care, i just literally cannot care.

PTSD?

- The only good thing about this episode was the lack of Michael

This made a noticeable difference

Yea again its not a general hatred of discovery, I loved season 1 (especially the mirror arc) - and season 2 had some wonderful episodes. But the general plot is just uninteresting. What limited knowledge we have of the 30th Century + Alpha Quadrant makes it unbelievable that an organization like the federation could be literally wiped out

Take away warp capability and it becomes very believable, very quickly, reminds me of the Ken MacLeod books. You go to another system and by the time you arrive the entire political spectrum has changed.

Discovery should have been destroyed when it crashed - compare to Voyager in timeless (half the decks compressed) - and a ship 100+ years older, suffers some blown fuses, and a few casualties, and concussions???????

I think the script made excuses and the special effects made it look worse than the script indicated

sioda

Yup I'm in the enjoyed that ep camp, nothing amazing but entertaining and again looking forward to next week.

Sparko

I enjoyed it. Predictable in parts but still fun and good to try and flesh out the rest of em rather than just Michael. Hopefully something that will continue.

I will be fairly surprised if the decision made regarding the villain of the episode doesn't come back to bite them.

PhiloCypher

I thought this was pretty decent. The Saloon scene nicely encapsulated nu-trek vs old trek values . Georgiu representing nu-treks snap necks and ask questions later attitude versus Saru's more merciful Federation values. With the survivor(Kal?) choosing the latter and letting zaher go , albeit with very little chance survival out in the open .

Stark

flazio wrote: »

That's something I noticed in this episode, at least 6 characters are addressed as "Commander" Saru, Giorgiou, Nahn, Burnham, Reno and Stamets. Now hopefully a few of those are Lieutenant Commanders otherwise we could have a real boring power play dragged out.

All but Stamets are full Commanders according to Memory Alpha. I can see how you'd end up with so many as Nhan and Reno were effectively picked up as strays without being officially assigned. I can't figure out how Giorgiou picked up Commander rank along the way though.

Enterprise-D had 3 Commanders by Season 7 FWIW (Riker, Troi and Crusher). Pretty much the whole main cast of the original Enterprise had been promoted to Commander by the time of the movies. Montgomery Scott being promoted to "Captain of Engineering".

As an aside, I don't like the way rank isn't clearly visible on the Discovery uniforms. You'd need eyesight like Linus to make out the pips on the com badges.

fritzelly

Asked on page 1 - no one notice the blooper at about 21 minutes?

Stark

Nope, just watched the scene again and can't spot anything.

fritzelly

Stark wrote: »

Nope, just watched the scene again and can't spot anything.

There is people far in the background walking around - white jacket, blue jacket and someone else (cannot remember)

Could have reshot the scene or edited them out

~Rebel~

Felt much more like Trek than the first episode at least.

I hated the first episode as a Star Trek show, but actually looking back it wasn't so bad as it's own entirely different thing, like a Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets spin off show or something. Or even a Star Wars spin off. Actually, the way the first episode dealt with the Federation was not far removed from the way the original trilogy dealt with the Jedi.

So it's weird for episode two to go back to basics, giving us such completely opposing styles of show in the first two weeks. Wonder which is more representative of what the season will be.

Speaking of the season, I really really really hope it's not going to be a season of them saving the universe and bringing back dilithium, or finding a way to go back in time to stop The Burn or something... I just want to see them as a ship in this new reality, and having to deal with that new reality, and that's it. Maybe bring some exploration and fuel for stories into it by having them use their now-rare warp abilities to move between sectors getting long range sensors back up and running so all the disparate Federation settlements can be in contact again. Just a nice simple first step towards a long road, rather than a big hey-presto universe-changing-in-an-instant thing.

Side note; funny to have Saru talking about the ideals of the Federation and the way they do things in making sure the courier's life was spared, while last week Michael was vaporizing lads left right and centre!

Weber was very good. It's a pity if he's done and gone.

Padre_Pio

fritzelly wrote: »

There is people far in the background walking around - white jacket, blue jacket and someone else (cannot remember)

Could have reshot the scene or edited them out

They're meant to be there :pac:

TheValeyard

I liked the Michael free parts. Was good episode. And actually had some other characters invovled

jhegarty

I was worried for a second the crew could solve an issue without Michael.

~Rebel~

jhegarty wrote: »

I was worried for a second the crew could solve an issue without Michael.

On that moment, was anyone else a bit underwhelmed with her announcement of how long she'd been there?

She appears with this loooong hair, and is saying "i've been searching for you for so long!" etc, and I was kind of thinking, "oh wow, like 5? 10 years? that's kind of an interesting choice!", and then it was one year.

And I mean a year is a long enough time, sure, but it doesn't quite pack the same punch as her potentially having really settled there, and being in the process of building some sort of new life. A year is more like, "i've been backpacking around, seen some stuff, got braids, ready to go back to normal".

Rawr

~Rebel~ wrote: »

On that moment, was anyone else a bit underwhelmed with her announcement of how long she'd been there?

She appears with this loooong hair, and is saying "i've been searching for you for so long!" etc, and I was kind of thinking, "oh wow, like 5? 10 years? that's kind of an interesting choice!", and then it was one year.

And I mean a year is a long enough time, sure, but it doesn't quite pack the same punch as her potentially having really settled there, and being in the process of building some sort of new life. A year is more like, "i've been backpacking around, seen some stuff, got braids, ready to go back to normal".

Kind of felt that too. Was thinking "Ooo, it's been 5, 10, *15* years?"

A year...one damn year....to find someone who you might have never actually seen given that it was equally possible that Discovery could have landed 1000 years after she was dead. One year....

So, I did wait until this weekend to start watching, and did it as a double-bill.
First impression is that I really can't stand Micheal...I had hoped that they'd do a better job with her writing, but they still seem to be married to the idea of giving her grand, poorly grounded emotional scenes that seem to ignore the plot sometimes.

Book: The Federation is gone

Micheal: But...that is *impossible*

Book: No...it's gone.

Micheal: That's impossible!! It can't be gone! It's impossible.

FFS...she had only just come out of a war with the Klingons where they were very close to destroying the Federation..and now it's destruction is *impossible*?! This should not be beyond her belief.

The first part was the weakest, but at least we got some familiar beats from the Trek universe. Looks like the Orions are up to their old tricks...

I did kind of like Book. If they are building him up as a main character, I wouldn't mind.

The second part was a lot better, if anything because of Acting-Captain Saru. He's one of the few things I have constantly enjoyed in this show and he's remained the most *Starfleet* element they've got there. Some of the best moments came from him. Low points were Georgio being as cartoonish as ever and Jet being a b*tch to everyone. I get that this is supposed to be Jet's character quirk at play for laughs, but it gets tiresome.

The end was incredibly annoying. It would have been a lot more satisifying to have the crew bandy together and escape just-in-time thanks to their own talents and wits. It would have been an earned win and an important character defining moment, cementing Saru as their leader.

Instead they Micheal it all up.

What that moment did do was remind me that I was actually enjoying Part 2 a bit until she turned up to save the day. Discovery without Micheal is an alright Trek show. It would still need work, but it was salvageable.

While Micheal was gone, I started to wonder other things like, what if Georgio uses this time to rebuild a new Terran Empire? What if The Federation was reborn into a war with this New Empire?

Also, have the Romulans used this time to rebuild their own Empire? They use singularity drives to run their ships. "The Burn" should not have hurt them. Could Earth be under Romulan control?

There's plenty that could be done with this idea...but my main problem, and the problem I've had since the first few episodes of Season 1 is Micheal.
On watching this I fear that they haven't learned a thing from previous seasons and I fear that Micheal's rescue of Discovery is a metaphor for the entire plot going forward. Micheal is going to save the future...and the Discovery crew get to help her...maybe.

If this is how they play it, I'm not sure if I'll manage the whole season. As it stands, unlike with Lower Decks, I don't think I'll be actively checking for new episodes each week. Right now I'm kind of disappointed, as I had really hoped they would improve this show and use this chance to "reboot" it...but this currently feels no different to previous seasons. What is sad is that I'm not surprised.

The irony is, given the title of these episodes, I don't have a lot of hope for this show right now.

alchemist33

Rawr wrote: »

Kind of felt that too. Was thinking "Ooo, it's been 5, 10, *15* years?"

A year...one damn year....to find someone who you might have never actually seen given that it was equally possible that Discovery could have landed 1000 years after she was dead. One year....

So, I did wait until this weekend to start watching, and did it as a double-bill.
First impression is that I really can't stand Micheal...I had hoped that they'd do a better job with her writing, but they still seem to be married to the idea of giving her grand, poorly grounded emotional scenes that seem to ignore the plot sometimes.

Book: The Federation is gone

Micheal: But...that is *impossible*

Book: No...it's gone.

Micheal: That's impossible!! It can't be gone! It's impossible.

FFS...she had only just come out of a war with the Klingons where they were very close to destroying the Federation..and now it's destruction is *impossible*?! This should not be beyond her belief.

The first part was the weakest, but at least we got some familiar beats from the Trek universe. Looks like the Orions are up to their old tricks...

I did kind of like Book. If they are building him up as a main character, I wouldn't mind.

The second part was a lot better, if anything because of Acting-Captain Saru. He's one of the few things I have constantly enjoyed in this show and he's remained the most *Starfleet* element they've got there. Some of the best moments came from him. Low points were Georgio being as cartoonish as ever and Jet being a b*tch to everyone. I get that this is supposed to be Jet's character quirk at play for laughs, but it gets tiresome.

The end was incredibly annoying. It would have been a lot more satisifying to have the crew bandy together and escape just-in-time thanks to their own talents and wits. It would have been an earned win and an important character defining moment, cementing Saru as their leader.

Instead they Micheal it all up.

What that moment did do was remind me that I was actually enjoying Part 2 a bit until she turned up to save the day. Discovery without Micheal is an alright Trek show. It would still need work, but it was salvageable.

While Micheal was gone, I started to wonder other things like, what if Georgio uses this time to rebuild a new Terran Empire? What if The Federation was reborn into a war with this New Empire?

Also, have the Romulans used this time to rebuild their own Empire? They use singularity drives to run their ships. "The Burn" should not have hurt them. Could Earth be under Romulan control?

There's plenty that could be done with this idea...but my main problem, and the problem I've had since the first few episodes of Season 1 is Micheal.
On watching this I fear that they haven't learned a thing from previous seasons and I fear that Micheal's rescue of Discovery is a metaphor for the entire plot going forward. Micheal is going to save the future...and the Discovery crew get to help her...maybe.

If this is how they play it, I'm not sure if I'll manage the whole season. As it stands, unlike with Lower Decks, I don't think I'll be actively checking for new episodes each week. Right now I'm kind of disappointed, as I had really hoped they would improve this show and use this chance to "reboot" it...but this currently feels no different to previous seasons. What is sad is that I'm not surprised.

The irony is, given the title of these episodes, I don't have a lot of hope for this show right now.

Couldn't agree more with pretty much everything here. It was all going so well - and I was sitting there thinking I knew exactly why I was enjoying this episode more - until you-know-who showed up.

And Saru is the character highlight for me. The rest are all very one-note. Tilly annoying, Georgiou psychopath, random bridge crew member boring.

EltonJohn69

~Rebel~ wrote: »

On that moment, was anyone else a bit underwhelmed with her announcement of how long she'd been there?

She appears with this loooong hair, and is saying "i've been searching for you for so long!" etc, and I was kind of thinking, "oh wow, like 5? 10 years? that's kind of an interesting choice!", and then it was one year.

And I mean a year is a long enough time, sure, but it doesn't quite pack the same punch as her potentially having really settled there, and being in the process of building some sort of new life. A year is more like, "i've been backpacking around, seen some stuff, got braids, ready to go back to normal".

They should have made it like 200 years and have it been Michael burmans great grand daughter rescuing them (Michael dead)

Rawr

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

They should have made it like 200 years and have it been Michael burmans great grand daughter rescuing them (Michael dead)

Would have been a good way to get Micheal out of the show. Her kids helping continue the Starfleet she helped re-build.

Alas, I fear that Martin-Green's contract is the same as before, which puts her character front-and-center in all things Discovery. I had hoped that this wouldn't be the case anymore, but it appears to be. Especially given the way they wrote the ending of an episode that had been mostly Micheal-free.

Evade

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They were going to have to run into her at some stage. Better now than have two completely different stories.

I don't mind that they met up at the end of the episode it's that theyhad to be rescued by Burnham ex Machina. The episode was going so well up until then.

~Rebel~

I have this horrible dread about The Burn... this feeling they're going to do something really really stupid with it. Like, they'll have it be that Michael's time-suit flying back through the closing wormhole is what caused the spontaneous dilithium explosions at some point in the past. That it would initially have been called "The Burnham Effect". Which over time, became "The Burn".

alchemist33

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I have this horrible dread about The Burn... this feeling they're going to do something really really stupid with it. Like, they'll have it be that Michael's time-suit flying back through the closing wormhole is what caused the spontaneous dilithium explosions at some point in the past. That it would initially have been called "The Burnham Effect". Which over time, became "The Burn".

Uh oh. Thats far too plausible