Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

jordan191

New cars due in march will have the newer AMD mcu and a few other updates if you're in no rush I'd definitely wait for a 2022 car unless it's working out cheaper

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417205#Comment_118417205

No doubt there'll also be update/upgrades in June also so could wait till then.... On the flip side of that you may see more bumps in price?

slave1

Tesla are not correlated when it comes to pricing, we may see a lot of improvements and a drop in price

Alfagtamini

Thanks everyone

Im really tempted to wait.

I imagine in 3-4 years time when it's time to trade up the MCU3 models will attract a premium over the MCU2.

slave1

...and not compared to MCU4 etc etc, with Tesla there's always going to be improvements, they are constantly improving parts and features and software, vast majority without advertising it

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417205#Comment_118417205

Will they?

roughly when will the cars die in Feb/Mar leave china?

jordan191

Most likely they will I'd assume if they're arriving in February they would be probably in transit at the moment

slave1

so what else is included in these updated Model 3's, I've heard the 12v Acid battery is gone also

podge1979

Tesla numbers are in from stats.beepbeep.ie and make interesting reading.

878 cars M3's registered in 2021 compared to 724 in 2021 an increase of 18.5%.

In that time the overall EV market has jumped 115% with 8646 EV registered in 2021 compared to 4013 in 2020. This shows there is a market there but this maybe not a priority market for Tesla.

If you look at the UK market Tesla was the 2nd best selling car overall 34,783 (increase of 40%) where as in Ireland Tesla wasn't even the best selling EV and 39th on the list overall.

If you look at this in regards population 67 million Vs 5 million and registrations if Ireland was on a par with the UK we would have 2434 registrations/deliveries when we had 878 (35% of that). Irish and UK adoption rate % have been very similar in the last year's jumped a lot in UK but this driven by Tesla, no doubt would have been the same here with a better supply

In my view the reason for this is Tesla focusing on UK for RHD due the energy crisis (in UK) and also Brexit has impacted Ireland here as instead of cars being dropped in Southampton and transported their taken to Zeebrugge and logistics are more difficult. Easier for them just to offload RHD's for UK market.

Poor form from Tesla in my view bit part acknowledgment of Irish market. Anyways there's the stats looked at from my side but also be aware I have an order in since last August and gotten diddly squat.

wassie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426371#Comment_118426371

In that time the overall EV market has jumped 115% with 8646 EV registered in 2021 compared to 4013 in 2020. This shows there is a market there but this maybe not a priority market for Tesla. If you look at the UK market Tesla was the 2nd best selling car overall 34,783 (increase of 40%) where as in Ireland Tesla wasn't even the best selling EV and 39th on the list overall.

A couple of factors at play here.

a) Almost a third of 2021 Model 3 registrations in the UK were made accounted for in December (9,612). This would have skewed the numbers.

b) A large proportion of these will be lease vehicles as drivers take advantage of salary sacrifice schemes with low benefit in kind (1% for EVs). The Irish Govt are taking the opposite approach and tapering off the BIK exemptions for EV drivers over the next 4 years.

dloob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427465#Comment_118427465

I don't think demand is an issue, while delivering those 1000s of model 3s in the UK in December they delivered 87 in Ireland and pushed orders, including some that date back to August out to March. So they aren't even meeting the existing demand.

If there was an attractive salary sacrifice scheme we'd probably be waiting years!

Still being able to sell everything you can make isn't a bad position for them at least.

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427465#Comment_118427465

On point a I will agree with you there if there there is a massive delivery of vehicles In march for which I wouldn't hold my breath.

In the last two years the delivery in march Feb deliveries have been pretty much the same the only difference in registrations between 2020 2021 was a delivery of 200 cars in June/July time frame when there was 60 plus in 2020. Sept and December deliveries were pretty much the same.

On point b the UK government have cut grants for EVs.

I don't think salary sacrifice would be a big incentive here pretty much the same as leasing never caught on really here.

In Ireland there are grants an no road that and VRT rebates there are different incentives.

There is a clear demand for EV's here which you can see in waiting list but also the fact EV sales have jumped by 115% yet Tesla sales in Ireland only by 18%. Ireland is not being serviced to the extent the UK is.

look at Hyundai then had a direct shipment to cork in Dec of 400 + Ev's and another shipment due mid Jan so could be registering a similar amount of EV's in Jan as Tesla did in the whole of 2021.

The numberd don't lie 2nd most popular Car in the UK in 2021 39th in Ireland. UK and Ireland buying patterns are similar thats a massive difference and that in my view is down to Tesla and not lack of demand.

sk8board

Anyone who wants an M3 in Ireland can get one - so surely the only difference between here and the Uk is:

1. our list price
2. and the fact that the UK love cheap lease deals, which drives volume
3. the M3 is a small 4-door saloon, which isn’t really a big market here, at all.

tesla are simply running out of buyers here, now that all the long time deposit holders and hard saving tesla-only buyers have got their cars.

Let’s see what happens in H1 this year. the entry level Tesla is €52k, still very high versus the competition, but now it’s gone from being a so-so model to arguably the pick of the litter, with the recent upgrades.

the MY will suffer the same fate - early promise as incredibly patient deposit holders get their deliveries, and then sink into niche model obscurity due to its entry level price.

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428814#Comment_118428814

That's not true, if you want an SR you can't LR you can, I'll be waiting 7 months for a color I ordered (SR).

Yet seen on forums people in UK who ordered the same spec in Dec who were expecting it in march got it delivered in Dec. The numbers don't lie. Registrations in Ireland have shown a paltry increase in 2 years compared to other countries, you rarely if at all see SR's coming up in inventory.

But not worried now I've an ioniq 5 (premium plus higher price point than M3 Sr) on the way now, good for you guys also as Tesla will stay a niche car In Ireland if they don't change something, the UK import market won't facilitate much re M3's in the future either.

What are you referencing with regards to the point Tesla are running out of buyers here.

jordan191

We're only a small market here with only 2 service centers selling 800-900 cars here a year ain't too bad all over 50k as well, probably keep 2nd hand prices high too, if tesla were selling a higher volume they would need 3 or 4 more service centers. I don't think they'll be a drop in demand anytime soon

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429002#Comment_118429002

(Not sure how to only quote the part of your comment regarding Tesla running out of buyers, sorry)

my point is simply that now that the early adopters and Tesla guys have their cars, you’re replying on Joe public for sales, and Joe public is going to find it hard to justify a €52-68k 4-door sedan, and equally Joe public isn’t a car guy and doesn’t care if his car is a Tesla or not, and probably doesn’t care about the cars propulsion system either.

the Tesla is a €52k hype car, but Joe public isn’t a hype kinda guy :)

joe public spends €29k on a Focus if he wants a 4-door saloon

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428814#Comment_118428814

Minor correction, The base Tesla Model 3 is €49,746.

sk8board

looking At the beepbeep data, the Tesla is also an overwhelmingly ‘Dublin’ car, with 65% of Tesla sales, and a further 15% across the commuter counties of Wicklow, Meath and Kildare.

for comparison, Dublin accounts for 42% of non-Tesla EVs, almost in line with the population proportion you’d expect, allowing for EVs not suiting a lot of rural areas.

even a big commuter county like Louth, with two of the largest towns in the country, and we’ll inside the range of most EVs, registered just 8 teslas all year. 8.

Gumbo

I'd expect to be a niche car, in the same way Joe Public buys a Focus TDCi, where as someone else will buy a 320d.

There will always be people who will buy the higher priced car, hopefully, as we need them to feed those of us that buy them second hand!

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429604#Comment_118429604

etronics (including saloons), EV6's, ioniq 5's have full order books on similar price range so there is an appetite from Joe public ( been checking this in dealers).

Also bear in mind that Joe public hasn't been able to buy a car because of the chip crisis in the last two year

There has been a very strong jobs market and people unable to spend money on houses (labour shortage) or go on holidays has lead to savings level as being 4 times the normal level in 2021 (cso figures) so there is a market there it's clear it's not being serviced.

Can you point to anything that shows there no market other that hearsay? Also doesn't care about propulsion there has been 115% increase in EV's and even more in hybrid and PHEV.

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429669#Comment_118429669

Yes largest population and most affluent so that is the Tesla market along with other affluent areas (more and more of these now)

Also the population of Louth is just over 2% of the population of Ireland and 8 telsa's represents 1% of registrations so not too far off

sk8board

tesla was the future of EVs, but got a hair under 10% of the Irish EV market last year - that’s got to be low versus most other markets?

im not saying there’s no market, of course there is, I’m saying the Tesla numbers will suffer that post-launch-year dip in sales just like any other new model from any other manufacturer - and bear in mind Tesla only sell 1 volume model in Ireland at this moment in time.

They’re unlikely to make up long term sales numbers from the MY here either, if the action on the boardsie MY thread is anything to go by, versus the thousands of messages on the M3 thread(s), tracking marine traffic for 6 months in advance of deliveries :)

all that m3 hype delivered about 1,400 cars over 2 years. The Y won’t come close, not a chance, (and the 3 was announced 6 years ago next month, so the 3 is needed for their volume for many years to come)

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429457#Comment_118429457

I think you made my point for me there'll be a demand because their not servicing the market.

2nd highest registered car in UK and 39th in Ireland in 2021.

Its good for people who have a Tesla so they have teslas tinted glasses on (obviously white).

But think of it this way if they sell as low niche number of cars how much will the to invest in charging infrastructure and be likely to open it t ok other EVs.

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429816#Comment_118429816

Ok we agree then the market is not being serviced by Tesla.

UK and Ireland tracked at a similar level on EV's and % of which were telsa.

Ireland registered a 18% increase 2021 UK registered 40% increase.

This coincided with energy crisis in UK and also change in logistics now for Irish cars through Europe instead of UK now.

sk8board

The flip side of course is that if they sell in niche numbers, you could easily buy the absolute entry level €49k M3 this year and sell it 3 years time with less than €10k depreciation. The upgraded m3 is now a great great buy - but again, it’s €50k, so the volume just won’t be there.

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429669#Comment_118429669

I think its because of the dealer network - up till v recent only have one dealer who is in Dublin. I almost never see one in Kerry but see plenty of ever more expensive SUV's down here

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429914#Comment_118429914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429914#Comment_118429914

The only market we should care about is Ireland - and you’re right that it’s under serviced by Tesla, but the other guys are throwing out EV’s by the dozen now, so any semblance that Tesla were early to our market is gone, and range anxiety isn’t nearly the issue people thought it would be, so the Tesla marketshare will always be v low here.

tesla require that ‘hype’, and the hype right now is on other EVs - and Tesla will be relying on the 3 for Irish sales for literally years to come - meanwhile lots of cool cars we don’t even know about yet will be hyped, announced, built and delivered - and Tesla will still be touting the M3.

so if you’re wondering if the M3 is going to get more updates than windows Vista over the coming years, the answer is a big big yes

MightyMunster

Saying the other brands are throwing out EVs isn't really true though. Hyundai and Kia perhaps, although they're often more expensive than a Tesla. VW huge waiting lists and again costs as much as a Tesla once you spec it the same.Toyota zero, BMW is it 50 i4s for Ireland this year?

Ireland is always at the bottom of the food chain for cars nothing new here.

podge1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118430040#Comment_118430040

Your missing my point I'm not slagging off the car it's fabulous, I've spent 6 months trying to get one.

The point is Tesla are not servicing the demand in the Irish market compared to other markets.

And in this we need to look at the UK as ok only RHD markets (bar Malta in Europe I think).

Do not think Tesla will have the advantage going forward nearly all cars coming in 2022 from other OEM's will have SOTA updates.

Mercedes have beaten them to L3 autonomous driving, also the Chinese are coming.

Also remember the M3 is a mass market car in Tesla's business plan. Model S, roadster etc. are supposed to be the niche cars.

Jog501

I think people are missing the elephant in the room with regards Tesla sales is their selling and trade in model. No low rate PCP, no garages or service centres outside Dublin, lazy trade in model and no targeted advertising. The reality is most people lease cars in Ireland and the UK now, they offer that option in the UK and don't here, I would say that makes up a huge chunk of the difference in the sales alone. I don't accept that if you wanted a tesla in 2021 you wouldn't get it (in most cases).