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Dublin home of 1916 Rising leader demolished

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Urm Anne Frank didn't house anyone. She was one of the "hangers on" in hiding.

    Big mistake though getting her that drum for Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    How many houses did the O Rahilly live in ? Should they all have been preserved ? Or the site of the houses never built on ...
    What about places he visited ,? Stayed in ?
    The same for all the other 1916 leaders ? What about the lads who weren't leaders ? Their houses ,where they grew up , where they worked ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Markcheese wrote: »
    How many houses did the O Rahilly live in ? Should they all have been preserved ? Or the site of the houses never built on ...
    What about places he visited ,? Stayed in ?
    The same for all the other 1916 leaders ? What about the lads who weren't leaders ? Their houses ,where they grew up , where they worked ?

    Exactly. Why was the city rebuilt after the Rising? It should have been preserved in the memory of the dead


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Nexytus wrote: »
    An interesting character The O'Rahilly. Possibly his greatest achievement was getting people to use his name in the The_______ format.
    Yeah, he must have been one absolutely insufferable gobsh*te to be going around styling himself like that.

    Glad to see a derelict house removed and replaced with more suitable high-density housing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    this business of saving old buildings is a nightmare, we can either build housing or hold on to the past completely, not both. take interesting artefacts and put them in a museum, demolish the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    If only The O'Rahilly lived in a tenement, then his home would've stood for centuries more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,334 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    There should be an option on the census forms to register oneself as a "philistine".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The house could easily have been preserved as a memorial or a museum to the rising and to one of the leaders of the 1916 rising, instead the foundations will soon be laid for €600,000+++ apartments that the vast majority of Irish people cannot afford... It will be yet another generic glass box that in the current economic climate will lay empty for years or be purchased as a temporary home for visiting executives who will use it as a serviced apartment...

    The destruction of a site now erases part of the history of our country and replaces it with a tax break for overseas investment funds...

    What a great country we have...nothing is sacred and no one will be punished for destroying this 100yr old house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,664 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    do you even read Brah ?

    The Franks owned the house , and they housed themselves
    and the Van Pels family

    its one of the first things you read when you enter the house

    I don't think that's right. I don't think the Frank's owned that house at all.

    Maybe you're right but it's not my recollection.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It is gone now, forget about it. It was someone's house no more than that.

    Anyway better to spend money on that Moore Street dive that has so many associations with the Rising anyway. That place is a disgrace with cig smugglers, dodgy phone shops, and covers for many an issue. All bereft of Gardai and Customs too. Get down there quick!

    It's the spirit of the Rising.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    The house could easily have been preserved as a memorial or a museum to the rising and to one of the leaders of the 1916 rising, instead the foundations will soon be laid for €600,000+++ apartments that the vast majority of Irish people cannot afford... It will be yet another generic glass box that in the current economic climate will lay empty for years or be purchased as a temporary home for visiting executives who will use it as a serviced apartment...

    The destruction of a site now erases part of the history of our country and replaces it with a tax break for overseas investment funds...

    What a great country we have...nothing is sacred and no one will be punished for destroying this 100yr old house.

    It would not be on any trail at all apart from those who know everything about the Rising. It was a private house, and I bet the heirs wanted it sold rather than having to maintain that wreck of a thing.

    Heck, even the Rising itself is not high on the agenda anymore, maybe a little too much association with legitimate entities here or something?

    I am being delicate in what I say as you can see. Will duck down now. LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭thegills


    How many gaffs have had a 1916 leader living in it. Probably hundreds. Sure keep them all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    It is gone now, forget about it. It was someone's house no more than that.
    Anyway better to spend money on that Moore Street dive that has so many associations with the Rising anyway. That place is a disgrace with cig smugglers, dodgy phone shops, and covers for many an issue. All bereft of Gardai and Customs too. Get down there quick!
    It's the spirit of the Rising.
    It would not be on any trail at all apart from those who know everything about the Rising. It was a private house, and I bet the heirs wanted it sold rather than having to maintain that wreck of a thing.
    Heck, even the Rising itself is not high on the agenda anymore, maybe a little too much association with legitimate entities here or something?
    I am being delicate in what I say as you can see. Will duck down now. LOL

    You always stick your oar in with complete Ball Ox...

    The fact is that the O’Rahilly’s family home in Dublin was where leaders of the Easter Rising held some of their secret meetings…Patrick Pearse, Éamon Martin, Eoin MacNeill, Michael Collins, Thomas MacDonagh, Éamonn Ceannt were all regular visitors.
    Now that it's been levelled it won't be on any tours of the history of 1916, and with the shambolic treatment of parts of Moore street it all amounts to cultural vandalism..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    thegills wrote: »
    How many gaffs have had a 1916 leader living in it. Probably hundreds. Sure keep them all.

    Shut up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Steve012 wrote: »
    State could of bought it, rented apartments better in the long run I suppose, every ones a winner 👊🏼👀,

    Dublin 2030, jungle of apartments funny at this stage that any Joe soap would want to p*ss their money away on rent paid to "hedge funds" non Irish owned rent box's

    people want somewhere to live. Who gives a **** who owns the place once you have a roof over your head.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭SC024


    Some defining moments of a nation happened within it's walls but yeah, it's like saying what's the GPO only an auld post office.

    apples and oranges there, it was a house, simple as that. ok it belonged to a person of "significance" but that person is long dead & gone god rest him. life moves on. if the family wanted to they could have maintained it. why should it fall on joe taxpayer to sink money into it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    The isn't some old house that used to be ownes by one of the ORahillys. It was owned by *the* orahilly

    And it was owned by the O'Rahilly family after 1916, who decided they didnt want it at some point and sold it.

    Its not even like its the house he was born and grew up in. He only lived there for 6 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭SC024


    The building should have been kept for posterity and historical significance.

    are you willing to pay the costs associated with its keeping for posterity? not much historical significance really?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭SC024


    "The O'Rahilly", a self proclaimed mythical title he bestowed upon himself :cool:

    id say if the man was alive now he's probably thinking look at these edjits debating over the ould kip i used to call home knock it down to fck & make way for others its no good to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭SC024


    We have lost so much of our heritage in Dublin anyway now, that there is no point in complaining anymore.

    The house is in a prime position. I would ask the heirs what they think first before complaining. Bet those who will benefit from the sale/demolition will not complain.

    But I have no idea about who owned it/inherited it at all, so sorry if I have spoken out of turn.

    Photos of this place are multitude. Sometimes things have to go. I doubt that anyone would have known or cared about it, apart from the few who were protesting and were interested in the history of the place. Does not always preserve things either.

    why they cashed out & walked away with there money fair play to them, what right have they got to decide on its future? they had the opportunity & didnt take it...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    The O'Rahilly was a latecomer to the rising, I think he had car trouble, but he arrived just as it was ending. I always mixed him up with The Covey from the Plough and the Stars, even though the Covey was a fictional character. Suppose I was confused by the sharing the same name. The house thing is slightly irrelevant, the O'Rahilly is dead a good few years. I wonder is the car fixed yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Nexytus


    The O'Rahilly was a latecomer to the rising, I think he had car trouble, but he arrived just as it was ending. I always mixed him up with The Covey from the Plough and the Stars, even though the Covey was a fictional character. Suppose I was confused by the sharing the same name. The house thing is slightly irrelevant, the O'Rahilly is dead a good few years. I wonder is the car fixed yet?

    I don't think he shared Pearse's glorious sacrifice to inspire future generations thing and wasn't convinced of the viability of operational success for the plan.

    Once things went in to full swing he got on board. And made the ultimate sacrifice.

    His grandson was the maverick, swashbuckling Ronan O'Rahilly who sadly died a few months ago. Not sure if the property in question was in his branch of the family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    The isn't some old house that used to be ownes by one of the ORahillys. It was owned by *the* orahilly
    I wonder how long after it was sold to close to €3million that someone tried to make it listed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    You always stick your oar in with complete Ball Ox...

    The fact is that the O’Rahilly’s family home in Dublin was where leaders of the Easter Rising held some of their secret meetings…Patrick Pearse, Éamon Martin, Eoin MacNeill, Michael Collins, Thomas MacDonagh, Éamonn Ceannt were all regular visitors.
    Now that it's been levelled it won't be on any tours of the history of 1916, and with the shambolic treatment of parts of Moore street it all amounts to cultural vandalism..

    Thank you for the compliment.

    The reality is that this house would not feature much on the Rising Horizon, and the heirs have inherited, and good luck to them.

    I wonder what you or others would do in the same situation. Leave it to rot or cash out your inheritance. Fair question I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    The O'Rahilly was a latecomer to the rising, I think he had car trouble, but he arrived just as it was ending. I always mixed him up with The Covey from the Plough and the Stars, even though the Covey was a fictional character. Suppose I was confused by the sharing the same name. The house thing is slightly irrelevant, the O'Rahilly is dead a good few years. I wonder is the car fixed yet?

    Im no mechanic but Im gonna say it was a write off

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    He is certainly not being forgotten. Would investing several million euro into a up front and several 100k per year after that really have been good value for money?

    People are responding to this as if he and/or the 1916 rising is somehow being airbrushed out of history. According to google, things named after him include:
    - Several streets around the country,
    - several plaques,
    - a bust,
    - several poems & songs,
    - a play,
    - 3 GAA clubs
    - a block of flats

    Moore Street should absolutely be restored and turned into a central attraction as a focal point for the 1916 rising. This dilapidated house was not Moore St


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    An Bord Pleanala members were shuttled to Luxemburg to admire the Boeing E-3 Sentry's. Is was noted if they removed all metal from their pockets thay would not show up on the planes radar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    SC024 wrote: »
    are you willing to pay the costs associated with its keeping for posterity? not much historical significance really?
    Ah buh Joe, de Apple money can pay for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    The O'Rahilly was a latecomer to the rising, I think he had car trouble, but he arrived just as it was ending. I always mixed him up with The Covey from the Plough and the Stars, even though the Covey was a fictional character. Suppose I was confused by the sharing the same name. The house thing is slightly irrelevant, the O'Rahilly is dead a good few years. I wonder is the car fixed yet?

    O Rahilly was a latecomer in so much as that Eoin MacNeill had sent him to the country to notify Volunteers leaders that there would be no activity on Easter Sunday. Mac Neill made the decision, rightly or wrongly, after the failure of the importation of German guns by Casement fearing the the Volunteers were not adequately armed. On O Rahilly's return to Dublin the Rising had just begun. O Rahilly went straight to the G.P.O. and played his part fully for the week until his death while covering the retreat from the G.P.O.

    I think that a proper memorial to O Rahilly would be the implementation of measures to eliminate homelessness and never mind renovating a decrepit old building.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    Nexytus wrote: »
    The great life's works of Anne(hiding) happened in that particular building, that house.
    The O'Rahilly's great life's works happened in the GPO and the Moore Street area that they had a controlled retreat to before surrendering(and in Howth). The Ballsbridge house is just one of a number of houses that during the course of his private domestic life that he slept/eat/shat in. No historic or significant events whatsoever happened in that building. He may or may not have held an occasional snazzy dinner party there although history does not record such.

    no idea why you are qouting me dude ..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    Im no mechanic but Im gonna say it was a write off

    2016-01-07_iri_15731640_I1.JPG


    bit of T-cut - that will buff out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I don't think that's right. I don't think the Frank's owned that house at all.

    Maybe you're right but it's not my recollection.



    ok, maybe they did or didnt own it - but they did house themselves and OTHERS in it .


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    The house could easily have been preserved as a memorial or a museum to the rising and to one of the leaders of the 1916 rising

    It would have been a terrible place for a memorial or museum, nobody would go there.

    Far better places to have museums, starting with places where things of historical significance happened - perhaps Moore Street?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Better way of preserving our history would be to have the GPO as a museum for 1916 and the Customs House as one for the so-called famine.

    Who uses the CH? Public servants?

    The Bank of Ireland building on College Green should've been taken off them during the bailout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Better way of preserving our history would be to have the GPO as a museum for 1916 and the Customs House as one for the so-called famine.

    Who uses the CH? Public servants?

    The Bank of Ireland building on College Green should've been taken off them during the bailout.


    You always need a large customs house near docks. As in times of war, other countries expect you to know exactly who it is getting on your mearchant ships. To fully comply with that you need to be able to see every boat captain regulary.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭Niallof9


    Nope and now sadly I won't.

    I'm sure if it was done up and open to the public many would have. I would have.

    Yeah sure you would have


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    ok, maybe they did or didnt own it - but they did house themselves and OTHERS in it .

    That happens a lot in Dublin too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    SC024 wrote: »
    are you willing to pay the costs associated with its keeping for posterity? not much historical significance really?

    Why would I be paying for it?

    It's gone now anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nexytus wrote: »
    An interesting character The O'Rahilly. Possibly his greatest achievement was getting people to use his name in the The_______ format.

    Like The Donald


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Typical Irish way, sell sell sell......

    Look at all the towers along the east coast most in private hands, shocking to be honest.

    We should be doing everything to keep our heritage but to be honest the way things are going we will be foreigners in our own country.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Typical Irish way, sell sell sell......

    Look at all the towers along the east coast most in private hands, shocking to be honest.

    We should be doing everything to keep our heritage but to be honest the way things are going we will be foreigners in our own country.....

    How does knocking the the O'Rahilly house make us foreigners in out own country exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,442 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    to be honest the way things are going we will be foreigners in our own country.....

    ah come on now this is absolute nonsense.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    The old house of O’Rahilly was a dump - it hadn’t been preserved and had loads of modern add ons and didn’t look anything like it had when he lived in it. Nobody even knew the house was his until the planning permission went in - nobody in Dublin City Council cared. What is the point in preserving a house with a 70’s look? Use that money to build/renovate houses for the people of today that need it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,072 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Maybe I'm missing something, this issue has been in the news for months, I've seen various articles about it and yet whilst the dogs on the street knew what the developers intentions were, even having received permission to demolish, a few days later politicians, public interest groups etc start screaming blue murder about what's occurred . Hypocrisy or incompetence, actually both by all accounts, even Leo coming out with a "shouldn't have happened comment", I suggest like most things he does, a little late I'm afraid. Just as an opinion, not exactly the most pleasing or significant building I've seen, actually never heard of the previous owner.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,442 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The old house of O’Rahilly was a dump - it hadn’t been preserved and had loads of modern add ons and didn’t look anything like it had when he lived in it. Nobody even knew the house was his until the planning permission went in - nobody in Dublin City Council cared. What is the point in preserving a house with a 70’s look? Use that money to build/renovate houses for the people of today that need it.


    no point as the money wouldn't go anywhere near being able to make a dent in the rennevations of houses today most likely.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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    It was just on the news that DCC have passed a motion ordering that the house be rebuilt.

    I like our politicians, whilst recognising the seriousness of the housing crisis it's still a non stop fight to prevent anything getting built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Are they going to rebuild it in a 70's style? Get Dermot Bannon on the job, isn't his own house something similar...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,920 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I don't know which is worse; DCC waking up far too late or a cute hoor of a developer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    The old house of O’Rahilly was a dump - it hadn’t been preserved and had loads of modern add ons and didn’t look anything like it had when he lived in it. Nobody even knew the house was his until the planning permission went in - nobody in Dublin City Council cared. What is the point in preserving a house with a 70’s look? Use that money to build/renovate houses for the people of today that need it.

    It's like anything to do with the 1916 rising was after the event. The rising itself went ahead after it was cancelled, the rebels only became "heroes" after their deaths, Michael Rahilly only became "The O'Rahilly" after he changed his name, and now his house is to be rebuilt after it was demolished :(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are they going to rebuild it in a 70's style?

    It would be a crime for the developer not to rebuild exactly what he flattened.


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