Dublin home of 1916 Rising leader demolished

Steve012

They don't give a flying fck about our heritage .. Just once they can throw up way overprices rabbit hutches. Apartments seem to be like weeds on the southside, just popping up everywhere, there is spare land. Way Anchors.

Nigzcurran

Steve012 wrote: »

They don't give a flying fck about our heritage .. Just once they can throw up way overprices rabbit hutches. Apartments seem to be like weeds on the southside, just popping up everywhere, there is spare land. Way Anchors.

It’s just an old gaf. The previous tenant might have been interesting but why keep the house?

biko

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0929/1168260-orahilly-house-dublin/

Dublin City Council is investigating the circumstances surrounding the demolition of the former home of a 1916 leader.

O'Rahilly House, at 40 Herbert Park in Ballsbridge, was bulldozed early this morning to make way for luxury apartments.

It comes after city councillors voted to list the building as a protected structure last month.

Steve012

Nigzcurran wrote: »

It’s just an old gaf. The previous tenant might have been interesting but why keep the house?

A lot of "old " gaffs are kept (my Great grandad was killed in the rising) look all over the City and country.

Infini

Honestly I think it's a bit of a stupid argument, the house was a derelict and falling apart, if it's so important it should have been bought and restored, realistically though what's the point in maintaining or listing structures that are of absolutely no use at all.

It was the house of someone killed in the easter rising but that's all it was, a house. It has no real historic value, nothing of noteworthyness, nothing of real value it was just a house owned by someone from the rising.

I honestly think if there's buildings that have real historic value then it should be maintained but some building's are being listed purely for the sake of it but are in such a delapidated and degraded condition that it would be better to just knock em and be done with it if noone is willing to restore and repair them. What's the point in maintaining an eyesore if it has no real value?

whisky_galore

Nigzcurran wrote: »

It’s just an old gaf. The previous tenant might have been interesting but why keep the house?

Some defining moments of a nation happened within it's walls but yeah, it's like saying what's the GPO only an auld post office.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some defining moments of a nation happened within it's walls but yeah, it's like saying what's the GPO only an auld post office.

Did they? As far as I can tell he just lived there.

.anon.

That's terrible. I hope they rehouse him.

Nexytus

An interesting character The O'Rahilly. Possibly his greatest achievement was getting people to use his name in the The_______ format.

Infini

Infini wrote: »

Honestly I think it's a bit of a stupid argument, the house was a derelict and falling apart, if it's so important it should have been bought and restored, realistically though what's the point in maintaining or listing structures that are of absolutely no use at all.

It was the house of someone killed in the easter rising but that's all it was, a house. It has no real historic value, nothing of noteworthyness, nothing of real value it was just a house owned by someone from the rising.

I honestly think if there's buildings that have real historic value then it should be maintained but some building's are being listed purely for the sake of it but are in such a delapidated and degraded condition that it would be better to just knock em and be done with it if noone is willing to restore and repair them. What's the point in maintaining an eyesore if it has no real value?

It should have been restored but we’re still being forced to feel ashamed of it all.

Edgware

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some defining moments of a nation happened within it's walls but yeah, it's like saying what's the GPO only an auld post office.

I dont think there was much scope in preserving this property on the grounds of its link with the O Rahily. Apart from that link it is of little importance.

However I do believe that the Moore St area where O Rahily fell in action and was the scene of much military action, meeting of the Volunteer leadership after leaving the G.P.O. should be preserved. It would not take much imagination by the right architect to redevelop part of the area while incorporating a "Freedom Trail" through the development

Aongus Von Bismarck

If someone wanted to preserve it, then it would have been done so by now. The photo of it shows it to be a derelict wreck. The site will be better used to build modern housing, with access to public transport and local amenities for owners and occupiers.

KaneToad

Nexytus wrote: »

An interesting character The O'Rahilly. Possibly his greatest achievement was getting people to use his name in the The_______ format.

The jammy git

Edgware

In the few days before the Rising he drove around the country informing Volunteer leaders that Eoin McNeill had ordered the cancelation of manouevres on Easter Sunday resulting in the country not rising.

markfinn

We have an abundance of museums, libraries and statues in this city. His history is well recorded, and the destruction of this place does nothing to harm that.

On the other end of the scale, we have a notable lack of available accommodation, largely due to being a city that hasn't actually been bombed flat since the road plan was originally laid out by farmers herds pushing through scrub to get to the water. (See also lacks of public transport and actual planning).

What, if anything, was there about this derelict building that was informative, cultural, architecturally interesting or commemorative that can't be recaptured in full by a plaque on whatever replaces it?

Humans are too short lived, numerous and violent to keep on making hallowed ground of the dwellings of every rebel and revolutionary.

.anon.

Nexytus wrote: »

An interesting character The O'Rahilly.

Oh, Really?

No, O'Rahilly.

Church on Tuesday

The building should have been kept for posterity and historical significance.

markfinn

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

The building should have been kept for posterity and historical significance.

What exact significance did the house have? Was it not simply a roof and some walls used for shelter for the actions being taken which had actual significance and are recorded in the written history? Did its architectural form affect the nature and outcome of the rising? Was the decor somehow either inspired by or an inspiration for some important part of the culture leading up to or following the rising?

In short, what would have been different about our history if all the actions associated with this building had occurred in a completely different house with completely different form and decoration 2 and a half miles down the road?

Blondini

Good site for a mosque.

Chinasea

Ah so what. We need high rise accommodation for tax paying workers near the city centre.

Church on Tuesday

markfinn wrote: »

What exact significance did the house have? Was it not simply a roof and some walls used for shelter for the actions being taken which had actual significance and are recorded in the written history? Did its architectural form affect the nature and outcome of the rising? Was the decor somehow either inspired by or an inspiration for some important part of the culture leading up to or following the rising?

In short, what would have been different about our history if all the actions associated with this building had occurred in a completely different house with completely different form and decoration 2 and a half miles down the road?

That's a redundant question.

But anyways, I am of the firm belief that buildings of historical significance should be preserved. The O' Rahilly was a fascinating character in and of himself. He lived there, hence the importance.

Then again, 16 Moore street is under constant threat of demolition and it's fate is fairly unclear despite it's obvious historical significance, so I can't say I am entirely surprised.

JasonStatham

Hon the Tans. Ye auld ....Tan ye. Haha.

Hamsterchops

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

The O' Rahilly was a fascinating character in and of himself. He lived there, hence the importance.

"The O'Rahilly", a self proclaimed mythical title he bestowed upon himself :cool:

Church on Tuesday

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

The building should have been kept for posterity and historical significance.

Did you visit it before it was demolished? Did anyone you know go to see it, and embrace it's history?

I get the need to keep important buildings which have some definite meaning regarding the past... but I suspect that most of those complaining about the destruction of the building weren't interested in the building before now. And likely even if it hadn't been demolished, wouldn't have spent any time there anyway. What's the point of a building that nobody is interested in visiting, and considering that it was derelict, nobody was interested living in it either.

patsman07

He was an interesting character. I went to a play about his life around the time of the 1916 centenary celebrations and it remains one of the most emotional pieces of art I've ever seen. He had an incredibly romantic back story regarding his marriage and as he lay dying he wrote a note to his wife which is now displayed in the form of a plaque opposite the doorway where he died. British soldiers refused to allow an ambulance attend to him and he bled to death over several hours. When his family received his body it was minus an expensive watch.

I have no idea whether the house was worth keeping or not, but I do think this episode if typical of how we treat our history in this country. Moore Street, could be the biggest tourist attraction in the country, it could be preserve/restored and used to run re-enactments for tourists. One of the biggest events in the history of our nation happened in our capital city's centre and apart from the basement of the GPO you wouldn't even know it

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you visit it before it was demolished? Did anyone you know go to see it, and embrace it's history?

I get the need to keep important buildings which have some definite meaning regarding the past... but I suspect that most of those complaining about the destruction of the building weren't interested in the building before now. And likely even if it hadn't been demolished, wouldn't have spent any time there anyway. What's the point of a building that nobody is interested in visiting, and considering that it was derelict, nobody was interested living in it either.

I was going to visit it this weekend *






*May not be true.

Phoebas

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some defining moments of a nation happened within it's walls but yeah, it's like saying what's the GPO only an auld post office.

What defining moments specifically?

the_syco

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/40-herbert-park-ballsbridge-dublin-4/3888404

Looks like it was owned by someone who probably couldn't update it.

Sold for €2,725,000 in 2018. Sounds like someone cashed out, and it was demolished when the protection order was vetoed.

If the O'Rahilly family thought so highly of it, why didn't they buy it? Or was it more convenient that someone else owned it, but couldn't update it?

lawred2

Steve012 wrote: »

They don't give a flying fck about our heritage .. Just once they can throw up way overprices rabbit hutches. Apartments seem to be like weeds on the southside, just popping up everywhere, there is spare land. Way Anchors.

I'm sure interesting people have lived in houses everywhere at some stage or another..

Should all houses always be preserved?

Spanish Eyes

We have lost so much of our heritage in Dublin anyway now, that there is no point in complaining anymore.

The house is in a prime position. I would ask the heirs what they think first before complaining. Bet those who will benefit from the sale/demolition will not complain.

But I have no idea about who owned it/inherited it at all, so sorry if I have spoken out of turn.

Photos of this place are multitude. Sometimes things have to go. I doubt that anyone would have known or cared about it, apart from the few who were protesting and were interested in the history of the place. Does not always preserve things either.

Feisar

Phoebas wrote: »

What defining moments specifically?

Technically on the steps outside I suppose but we declared we wouldn’t be yoked by the cold chains of bondage anymore.

Feisar

I must give the lads in TCD Hist a shout and see are they comfy about it

Steve012

the_syco wrote: »

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/40-herbert-park-ballsbridge-dublin-4/3888404

Looks like it was owned by someone who probably couldn't update it.

Sold for €2,725,000 in 2018. Sounds like someone cashed out, and it was demolished when the protection order was vetoed.

If the O'Rahilly family thought so highly of it, why didn't they buy it? Or was it more convenient that someone else owned it, but couldn't update it?

State could of bought it, rented apartments better in the long run I suppose, every ones a winner 👊🏼👀,

Dublin 2030, jungle of apartments funny at this stage that any Joe soap would want to p*ss their money away on rent paid to "hedge funds" non Irish owned rent box's

KevRossi

JustAThought

Maybe the bigger story we should be talking about is yet another local authority plannning decision NOT allowing the building of the 103 appartments on the site being overturned by shadowy figures behind closed doors of another government body.

Not to mention the horrendous restrictions, castrating expense and hoops the owners are left jumping after an anonymous committee declares their house or asset a priceless historic asset. Small wonder that having paid 2.7 million for it they shut the doors and refused entry to ‘officials’ and by the looks of it there was then the standard tragic fire.

Pity the planning authorities didn’t get involved when that horrifying edifice was built in what looks like the garden.

Church on Tuesday

Hamsterchops wrote: »

"The O'Rahilly", a self proclaimed mythical title he bestowed upon himself :cool:

Yup total Legend, died for his country too. :cool:

Church on Tuesday

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you visit it before it was demolished? Did anyone you know go to see it, and embrace it's history?

I get the need to keep important buildings which have some definite meaning regarding the past... but I suspect that most of those complaining about the destruction of the building weren't interested in the building before now. And likely even if it hadn't been demolished, wouldn't have spent any time there anyway. What's the point of a building that nobody is interested in visiting, and considering that it was derelict, nobody was interested living in it either.

Nope and now sadly I won't.

I'm sure if it was done up and open to the public many would have. I would have.

fatknacker

Ah yes, the old the o rahilly house. A must see for every person who visits Dublin. I remember being brought there on school tours and we’d stand outside for hours touching the walls and imagining what people with a name “The” would have been doing when they lived there.

bobbyy gee

Money talks

StupidLikeAFox

The isn't some old house that used to be ownes by one of the ORahillys. It was owned by *the* orahilly

ShatterAlan

Infini wrote: »

Honestly I think it's a bit of a stupid argument, the house was a derelict and falling apart, if it's so important it should have been bought and restored, realistically though what's the point in maintaining or listing structures that are of absolutely no use at all.

It was the house of someone killed in the easter rising but that's all it was, a house. It has no real historic value, nothing of noteworthyness, nothing of real value it was just a house owned by someone from the rising.

I honestly think if there's buildings that have real historic value then it should be maintained but some building's are being listed purely for the sake of it but are in such a delapidated and degraded condition that it would be better to just knock em and be done with it if noone is willing to restore and repair them. What's the point in maintaining an eyesore if it has no real value?

The same could be said for Rembrandt's house and Anne Frank's house here in Amsterdam.

He just painted a few crappy pictures and she just housed a bunch of hangers-on in the attic and scribbled a diary about it.

An nice glass wine bar replete with tarty shot-waitresses should have been muscled in decades ago.

lawred2

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The same could be said for Rembrandt's house and Anne Frank's house here in Amsterdam.

He just painted a few crappy pictures and she just housed a bunch of hangers-on in the attic and scribbled a diary about it.

An nice glass wine bar replete with tarty shot-waitresses should have been muscled in decades ago.

Urm Anne Frank didn't house anyone. She was one of the "hangers on" in hiding.

Billcarson

Wonder were there any brown envelopes involved behind the scenes.

JustAThought

Billcarson wrote: »

Wonder were there any brown envelopes involved behind the scenes.

103 luxury apartments in Ballsbridge/Donnybrook where the local council had already refused planning permission and An Bord Pleanala mysteriously overruled it. Hmmmm ... let me look in my crystal ball...

One of those planning jobs was up on Public Jobs a while back - I couldn’t believe my eyes - they were paid an absolute pittance. It beggars belief really. Eyes wide shut.

Islander13

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The same could be said for Rembrandt's house and Anne Frank's house here in Amsterdam.

He just painted a few crappy pictures and she just housed a bunch of hangers-on in the attic and scribbled a diary about it.

An nice glass wine bar replete with tarty shot-waitresses should have been muscled in decades ago.

Comparing the Anne Frank where she and her family hid for years from the Nazis within the walls in an interesting manner to the O'Rahilly house where the fella happened to live for a while is a massive stretch

The area that should be preserved for the O'Rahilly is around Moore street where he died as an earlier poster said.

Beechwoodspark

Saw this on the news

Looks like the developer pulled a fast one and demolished it before dublin council could assess the building ?

Billcarson

JustAThought wrote: »

103 luxury apartments in Ballsbridge/Donnybrook where the local council had already refused planning permission and An Bord Pleanala mysteriously overruled it. Hmmmm ... let me look in my crystal ball...

One of those planning jobs was up on Public Jobs a while back - I couldn’t believe my eyes - they were paid an absolute pittance. It beggars belief really. Eyes wide shut.

A green space near where I live in ashbourne the builder was refused permission to build on it by meath County council. An Board Pleanala have now overruled that decision to the dismay of the residents. The only green space in their estate. Disgraceful.

Amirani

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The same could be said for Rembrandt's house and Anne Frank's house here in Amsterdam.

He just painted a few crappy pictures and she just housed a bunch of hangers-on in the attic and scribbled a diary about it.

The keeping of the house that Anne Frank lived in clearly hasn't done much to help your knowledge of its history.

That house is tied to a very significant historical document, and is the site of a notable event. This is not the case for O'Rahilly's house, unless you'd like to share one you know of?

i57dwun4yb1pt8

lawred2 wrote: »

Urm Anne Frank didn't house anyone. She was one of the "hangers on" in hiding.

do you even read Brah ?

The Franks owned the house , and they housed themselves
and the Van Pels family

its one of the first things you read when you enter the house

Nexytus

Alexandra Tender Roofing wrote: »

do you even read Brah ?

The Franks owned the house , and they housed themselves
and the Van Pels family

its one of the first things you read when you enter the house

The great life's works of Anne(hiding) happened in that particular building, that house.
The O'Rahilly's great life's works happened in the GPO and the Moore Street area that they had a controlled retreat to before surrendering(and in Howth). The Ballsbridge house is just one of a number of houses that during the course of his private domestic life that he slept/eat/shat in. No historic or significant events whatsoever happened in that building. He may or may not have held an occasional snazzy dinner party there although history does not record such.

Edgware

corner of hells wrote: »

I was going to visit it this weekend *






*May not be true.

Aenghus O Snodaigh was going to start running tours there as soon as his english proficiency was adequate