Crowds gathering in Galway

Covid19

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students on the opening night.
What will it take to get younger folk to view the current crisis more seriously?
Will loved ones or relatives need to die before they cop on?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1310697801211351040

davo2001

Covid19 wrote: »

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students

Really? Honestly how can anyone be surprised at this?

It's a weekly if not daily occurrence around the country at this stage, last week it was the lot in the flats in dublin, the week before it was the group that gathered for the golfing event.

3xh

Covid19 wrote: »

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students on the opening night.
What will it take to get younger folk to view the current crisis more seriously?
Will loved ones or relatives need to die before they cop on?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1310697801211351040

Hyperbole, much?

If it was the local Lions Club of grannies out playing dominos with no masks on, fair enough.

But they’re students, after starting college and not in the at-risk group basically living in the same house/block. Outside too.

At this stage of the show, you either follow all things NPHET/RTÉ or you can decipher for yourself what’s worth tut tutting at and what isn’t.

You can be sure there’s vested interest people taking to twitter et al now calling for all sorts against those students.

LessOutragePlz

Covid19 wrote: »

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students on the opening night.
What will it take to get younger folk to view the current crisis more seriously?
Will loved ones or relatives need to die before they cop on?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1310697801211351040

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do you expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

DraftDodger

I wasn't shocked at all OP. Country is full of selfish self entitled gits.

Hulk Hands

https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1310862126614032384

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

Mongfinder General

What are the consequences for non compliance with the guidance? That's right. Fcuk all.
It appears to me that most people are saying one thing and going another. Rules are for thee and not for me.
Start cracking skulls or just abandon this charade and get back to living again. No half measures.

Covid19

3xh wrote: »

Hyperbole, much?

If it was the local Lions Club of grannies out playing dominos with no masks on, fair enough.

But they’re students, after starting college and not in the at-risk group basically living in the same house/block. Outside too.

At this stage of the show, you either follow all things NPHET/RTÉ or you can decipher for yourself what’s worth tut tutting at and what isn’t.

You can be sure there’s vested interest people taking to twitter et al now calling for all sorts against those students.

Again, there is the constant line "but they are in the not at risk group". These not at risk young adults will pass the virus to the more compromised demographics, who may die from it. It's pretty simple Science.
I'm sure you are a reasonably intelligent person, but excusing a blatant disregard for those at risk by saying that its ok, the kids will be alright, is crazy.

Covid19

davo2001 wrote: »

Really? Honestly how can anyone be surprised at this?

It's a weekly if not daily occurrence around the country at this stage, last week it was the lot in the flats in dublin, the week before it was the group that gathered for the golfing event.

Actually, that's not the case. I live in the West and there is widespread compliance across the board, Galway being the exception.

ChikiChiki

3xh wrote: »

Hyperbole, much?

If it was the local Lions Club of grannies out playing dominos with no masks on, fair enough.

But they’re students, after starting college and not in the at-risk group basically living in the same house/block. Outside too.

At this stage of the show, you either follow all things NPHET/RTÉ or you can decipher for yourself what’s worth tut tutting at and what isn’t.

You can be sure there’s vested interest people taking to twitter et al now calling for all sorts against those students.

That does not give them a pass. They still have to adhere to the guidelines set out.

Do you think all these people have no family settings and do not return home? No elderley relatives or family friends in their communities.

Cop on ffs. Fair enough, they are young and its tough for them but they still need to exercise some degree of common sense.

One case has been the case of 56 cases. Think about that impact for a moment.

Righty

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

Too right, and to see some of the comments people have been making on facebook, absolute joke, one person commented saying "make them dig the graves for the People that die from covid", people are very weird lately.

Oranage2

Governments fault for wanting the colleges open but the colleges themselves don't want to open. We've students with probably 2 hour of classes a week in college and the rest of the week free. Can't blame them for filling their time like this. If the government just said that colleges can't open then that would reduce house parties considerably

titan18

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

Imagine the elderly across Europe that are still alive who lived during WW2, and maybe the ones old enough to actually have served in WW2 seeing these arguments now. They must thing this generation are very soft altogether if these "lockdowns" are too tough.

Zebra3

Covid19 wrote: »

I was shocked to see, first hand, the total lack of responsibility shown by the students on the opening night.
What will it take to get younger folk to view the current crisis more seriously?
Will loved ones or relatives need to die before they cop on?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1310697801211351040

How many are planning to visit their granny in the next fortnight?

Covid19

Hulk Hands wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1310862126614032384

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

In fairness, those of us with children in school and older folk at home would have to agree with him.

The bottom line is, nature will take it's course. Either there will be a huge spike in deaths and in reports of it spreading, or the virus is nothing like we are led to believe. In my opinion, groups like the one in Galway shouldbe monitored to see exactly what effects, if any, such a gathering will have in two weeks within their extended families and communities. It's the only definitive way of knowing what the virus is actually doing at the moment. It would be an interesting study.

Hulk Hands

Covid19 wrote: »

Actually, that's not the case. I live in the West and there is widespread compliance across the board, Galway being the exception.

Did you not see the same scenes in Kilkee a couple of months back? I've heard of huge house parties in a couple of Mayo towns. Galway city had basically none of the disease numbers up until this weekend, Loughrea was the source of cases in the county. Nowhere is fully compliant

LessOutragePlz

Righty wrote: »

Too right, and to see some of the comments people have been making on facebook, absolute joke, one person commented saying "make them dig the graves for the People that die from covid", people are very weird lately.

Stop it's gone beyond a joke at this stage we all need to get on with our lives and learn to live with it rather than in fear of it.

I hold no ill will towards those students as they are just doing what most young people do, just out having a good time with some friends.

CalamariFritti

Covid19 wrote: »

Again, there is the constant line "but they are in the not at risk group". These not at risk young adults will pass the virus to the more compromised demographics, who may die from it. It's pretty simple Science.
I'm sure you are a reasonably intelligent person, but excusing a blatant disregard for those at risk by saying that its ok, the kids will be alright, is crazy.

Something doesn't miraculously become 'science' just because you call it that. I think the word you were looking for is 'conjecture'.

LessOutragePlz

titan18 wrote: »

Imagine the elderly across Europe that are still alive who lived during WW2, and maybe the ones old enough to actually have served in WW2 seeing these arguments now. They must thing this generation are very soft altogether if these "lockdowns" are too tough.

Yeah cos fighting a war against the Nazis is the same thing as fighting a Pandemic that has a 0.01% chance of killing them give me a break ffs :rolleyes: .

stephenjmcd

Oranage2 wrote: »

Governments fault for wanting the colleges open but the colleges themselves don't want to open. We've students with probably 2 hour of classes a week in college and the rest of the week free. Can't blame them for filling their time like this. If the government just said that colleges can't open then that would reduce house parties considerably

How would colleges not opening reduce house parties in the slightest ?

There's been house parties throughout when colleges were closed.

super_furry

Blame the colleges. They take the money of thousands of kids, insist that they pay for their accommodation and then leave them without absolutely nothing to do.

Why open the colleges? Why make these kids pay their deposits? The colleges have brought them all down to Galway, left them with nothing to do at all and then get surprised when they have a few cans.

Covid19

ChikiChiki wrote: »

That does not give them a pass. They still have to adhere to the guidelines set out.

Do you think all these people have no family settings and do not return home? No elderley relatives or family friends in their communities.

Cop on ffs. Fair enough, they are young and its tough for them but they still need to exercise some degree of common sense.

One case has been the case of 56 cases. Think about that impact for a moment.

True. That occurred in Elphin. Near where I live. One pub owner infected 56 people in a 40 minute period, while knowing he had tested positive. Yet we still see people scoffing at the veracity of the virus.

Sconsey

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

What about the people they interact with? are they all at zero risk too? These people have clearly shown they don't care about the restrictions so why would they be distancing from people that are at risk. They want to have a bit of craic and balls to potential consequences.

Covid19

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Something doesn't miraculously become 'science' just because you call it that. I think the word you were looking for is 'conjecture'.

And right there folks is what we are dealing with.

Hulk Hands

Hulk Hands wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1310862126614032384

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

Which is more important - kids going to school or students going on the piss?

This is what so many do not get with talk of schools and 9 euro meals etc etc etc. Some things are deemed more important than others, that's why some activities have very strict rules while similar activities virtually none. We have judged some important enough to be allowed to continue with lower levels of restrictions . Its not about stopping every infection, its about stopping enough to keep things relatively under control

Hulk Hands

Sconsey wrote: »

What about the people they interact with? are they all at zero risk too? These twats have clearly shown they don't care about the restrictions so why would they be distancing from people that are at risk. They want to have a bit of craic and balls to potential consequences. Bunch of twats.

Did you read what was posted? What about the people the school kids interact with. Are they all zero risk too?

It was simply pointing out yet another Covid hypocrisy that this will be a massive scandal yet teenagers two years younger than the people in the videos are made to gather in large groups on a daily basis

Sconsey

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Did you read what was posted? What about the people the school kids interact with. Are they all zero risk too?

It was simply pointing out yet another Covid hypocrisy that this will be a massive scandal yet teenagers two years younger than the people in the videos are made to gather in large groups on a daily basis

And I am pointing out that just because they are low risk does not mean it ends there, they are inclresing the risk of it spreading to others who may not be low risk. Not saying schools are much different, just saying them personally being low risk is not the end of the chain of infections, and it should not have happened.

Oranage2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

How would colleges not opening reduce house parties in the slightest ?

There's been house parties throughout when colleges were closed.

I'm surprised you can't see how students living by themselves having house parties compared to students living at home with their parents and not allowed to house parties wouldn't have any outcome on house parties.

I think you'd argue grass isn't green just for the sake of it

titan18

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah cos fighting a war against the Nazis is the same thing as fighting a Pandemic that has a 0.01% chance of killing them give me a break ffs :rolleyes: .

I mean the death rate in ww2 as a percentage for lots of countries was small too, but that's beside the point.

One generation in their youth were willing to pay a price for society. The current generation aren't willing to do that.

Pubs and restaurants will likely be shut down this week or next in Galway and Cork, and whilst they don't get all the blame(there's plenty of other selfish ****s in other age groups too) students will have to shoulder some of it for those scenes last night.

3xh

ChikiChiki wrote: »

That does not give them a pass. They still have to adhere to the guidelines set out.

Do you think all these people have no family settings and do not return home? No elderley relatives or family friends in their communities.

Cop on ffs. Fair enough, they are young and its tough for them but they still need to exercise some degree of common sense.

One case has been the case of 56 cases. Think about that impact for a moment.

There is no way you know those figures for a fact. You’ve been told them, yes?

Let me ask; of those 56 positive results, how many were people coughing and spluttering, struggling to breathe? How many were actually false positives owing to the fallibility of the test unit themselves?How many were positive results owing to the test picking up on the so called virus debris from a Covid contraction the person had weeks ago, were asymptomatic at the time and were now only being tested because of known-contact tracing procedures?

I think that poster on page 1 with the twitter link sums it up; what is the difference between this student example and all the kids back in school. In classrooms, for that matter. It was an absolute target of government and NPHET to reopen schools. But this is different?

DraftDodger

super_furry wrote: »

Blame the colleges. They take the money of thousands of kids, insist that they pay for their accommodation and then leave them without absolutely nothing to do.

Why open the colleges? Why make these kids pay their deposits? The colleges have brought them all down to Galway, left them with nothing to do at all and then get surprised when they have a few cans.

This is the most Irish comment ever. It's up to people themselves to practice personal responsibility. I'm sick of hearing the "it's someones elses fault" mantra.

ThewhiteJesus

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

Honestly i agree 100%
I think it's time the people rebelled against these ridiculous rules

stephenjmcd

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm surprised you can't see how students living by themselves having house parties compared to students living at home with their parents and not allowed to house parties wouldn't have any outcome on house parties.

I think you'd argue grass isn't green just for the sake of it

Good man I'll have a reasonable discussion on the topic thanks, something which doesn't seem possible with you based on previous interactions, but anyway here we are.

What you've outlined didn't stop house parties all summer. They were going on regardless

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.

How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?

It's already been 6 months.

They should all be expelled from college, that would give them a proper dose of what its like to have their life on hold not being asked to stay the F at home and dont be meeting in groups.

LessOutragePlz

Jaime Warm Menopause wrote: »

They should all be expelled from college, that would give them a proper dose of what its like to have their life on hold not being asked to stay the F at home and dont be meeting in groups.

But it's ok for them to drink and drive as long as they're under the legal limit right?

testtech05

3xh wrote: »

There is no way you know those figures for a fact. You’ve been told them, yes?

Let me ask; of those 56 positive results, how many were people coughing and spluttering, struggling to breathe? How many were actually false positives owing to the fallibility of the test unit themselves?How many were positive results owing to the test picking up on the so called virus debris from a Covid contraction the person had weeks ago, were asymptomatic at the time and were now only being tested because of known-contact tracing procedures?

I think that poster on page 1 with the twitter link sums it up; what is the difference between this student example and all the kids back in school. In classrooms, for that matter. It was an absolute target of government and NPHET to reopen schools. But this is different?

I think the 56 cases might refer to an example index case illustration Dr Glynn posted to his twitter last night from yesterdays presentation:
https://twitter.com/ronan_glynn/status/1310639444802838528?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

But it's ok for them to drink and drive as long as they're under the legal limit right?

Maybe you could enlighten us on what's wrong with it or what laws are bring broken? I assume you feel it's not ok to drive below the speed limit or drive with tyres above the legal thread depth.

Like this point has been made a few times and it has to be the most stupid idiotic comment in years. "yeah but you think its ok to drive while not breaking any law or doing a single thing wrong"......... :rolleyes:

ixoy

titan18 wrote: »

One generation in their youth were willing to pay a price for society. The current generation aren't willing to do that.

Ireland was neutral though in WW2 so we didn't exactly rush to pay the price then either...

People also had more reason to be a bit concerned (a bomb is a far more obvious clear and present threat, as is a bullet if things had progressed). Society of course was also different from a wide range of perspectives.

super_furry

Some proper, proper loopers determind to conflate every single thing that happens with World War 2.

Kids drinking cans? They wouldn't last two minutes against the Nazis!

People socialising in a public space? Hah I'd like to see them in the trenches facing down the German blitzkreig!

People not happy about being confined to their homes? Well if Anne Frank did it so can you!!!!!

JP Liz V1

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Delighted to see them out living their lives.
How long do expect them to put their lives on hold for?
It's already been 6 months.

No one is asking them to stop living their lives just to have some cop on, show personal responsibility, no mass gatherings etc., this deadly affects all ages, their parents should be ashamed

Oranage2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good man I'll have a reasonable discussion on the topic thanks, something which doesn't seem possible with you based on previous interactions, but anyway here we are.

What you've outlined didn't stop house parties all summer. They were going on regardless

I said it would decrease house parties not completely stop them so please read the comments more carefully next time

karlitob

Hulk Hands wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1310862126614032384

I think this is a reasonable point. They're at the same risk as the teenagers (i.e none). There might have been a bit more singing and spraying. If anything, they'll have less spread going back to their student pods than the kids going home to parents and grandparents.

Best reply: "The students on Spanish arch are enjoying themselves, something strictly forbidden in Covid Ireland."

It’s a reasonable question. There are a few differences to be fair.

With that reasoning, everything needs to be shut down so as to avoid any spread.

Since that’s not the plan (though it’s hard to know what the plan is) it’s then about opening up society, on the basis of risk - with the emphasis on being limiting social contacts and rapid testing and tracing to lockdown those who have been effected.

It’s not unreasonable to suggest that parents of children have a somewhat standard Daily routine, that they are limiting their contacts and that their child is the same. Reasonable risk, reasonable approach, social contacts limited and an ability to know rapidly who you have been in contact.

You can’t so any of those things on the piss.

The levels are not about providing a sterile environment - it’s about limiting spread.


On the basis of the collective good (and on a lot of presumptions) clearly school is far more important than students right to drink and I can understand the reasoning of nphet

road_high

titan18 wrote: »

Imagine the elderly across Europe that are still alive who lived during WW2, and maybe the ones old enough to actually have served in WW2 seeing these arguments now. They must thing this generation are very soft altogether if these "lockdowns" are too tough.

They aren’t tough they just serve no purpose apart from making virtue signallers even smugger.
The Swedish example now illustrates how useful lockdowns are ie not very

Righty

super_furry wrote: »

Some proper, proper loopers determind to conflate every single thing that happens with World War 2.

Kids drinking cans? They wouldn't last two minutes against the Nazis!

People socialising in a public space? Hah I'd like to see them in the trenches facing down the German blitzkreig!

People not happy about being confined to their homes? Well if Anne Frank did it so can you!!!!!

Got a proper laugh out of that haha 😂

ThewhiteJesus

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No one is asking them to stop living their lives just to have some cop on, show personal responsibility, no mass gatherings etc., this deadly affects all ages, their parents should be ashamed

i'm not sure about that, most parents were delighted to see their kids back mingling with other kids, especially teenagers they need their friends

road_high

road_high wrote: »

They aren’t tough they just serve no purpose apart from making virtue signallers even smugger.
The Swedish example now illustrates how useful lockdowns are ie not very

The same Sweden with a massive death rate and cast aside so many of its citizens? They illustrate very well that lock downs are a necessity.

Ficheall

3xh wrote: »

You can be sure there’s vested interest people...

Like those concerned about the virus...

titan18

ixoy wrote: »

Ireland was neutral though in WW2 so we didn't exactly rush to pay the price then either...

People also had more reason to be a bit concerned (a bomb is a far more obvious clear and present threat, as is a bullet if things had progressed). Society of course was also different from a wide range of perspectives.

I was talking Europe wide there. Im sure it's not just Irish youth who want to go drinking. I'm sure the French, Spanish, italians etc are all doing the same thing our students are doing.

Point is though the students should cop on and give up a bit of their life for societies benefit. Plenty of other age groups are doing it. Sure there's selfish ones in all them and they all should cop on too, but as the topic is students, they should cop on. I live near UCC and there was a lot of parties in the area when I went for a walk last night.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

i'm not sure about that, most parents were delighted to see their kids back mingling with other kids, especially teenagers they need their friends

Nonsense, any parent happy to see their kids mingling is also a selfish idiot themselves with no respect at all for the seriousness of the virus we are dealing with.

LessOutragePlz

titan18 wrote: »

I mean the death rate in ww2 as a percentage for lots of countries was small too, but that's beside the point.

One generation in their youth were willing to pay a price for society. The current generation aren't willing to do that.

Pubs and restaurants will likely be shut down this week or next in Galway and Cork, and whilst they don't get all the blame(there's plenty of other selfish ****s in other age groups too) students will have to shoulder some of it for those scenes last night.

Nice shifting of the goalposts there but was the detah rate as small as 0.01% for any country?

Damn right they aren't willing to do that, they along with many others are sick to death of all the doom and gloom being peddled by the media and shoved down our throats from posters such as yourself.

Yeah we get it's all the students, pubs and restaurants fault.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it's very hard to care about a virus that has a 0.01% of killing you?

Call us selfish all you want but I'd call it being realistic.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

"3xh wrote: »

But they’re students, after starting college and not in the at-risk group basically living in the same house/block. Outside too.

Everyone is in the at risk group you gowl. The sooner young people realise that, the better.