Beef price tracker 2

KAMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517502#Comment_121517502

You are a very stubborn person. I don't like being doubted so I'm going to ring my neighbour at lunchtime to see how he fared yesterday. I'll tell him some doubting Thomas on the internet thinks he isn't telling me the truth.

farm to fork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517042#Comment_121517042

The were out of British Friesians I would say. Fr was the breed of the Dam on the card. Now they graded R- so nothing special but qualified for base price. They killed out fierce well at 54%

KAMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517868#Comment_121517868

I'm not going to ask him for that. I don't want him thinking I don't believe him. When I most certainly do. There have been any amount of posters on here saying the same as me.

Seadin

What moneys should 4 x AA animals be getting approx that graded

O+2+. KO 309kg

0=2= KO 315kg

0-3= KO 301kg

0+3+ KO 342kg

Awaiting the cheque but haven't prices yet. Base price at €4.90.

Thanks

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518135#Comment_121518135

Are these hot or cold weights. cold weight is supposed to be 98% of total hot weight but I know of at least 1 factory that will not provide side 1 or side 2 hot weight or even provide total hot weight they just give you total cold weight and will not provide the actual recorded weights to you

KAMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517502#Comment_121517502

6 O+'s and 2 R-'s. Average weight of 336 KG. Sounds good, but they got a good amount of meal in the last 2 months.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518135#Comment_121518135

See guide above

KAMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518370#Comment_121518370

What are you on about now? I asked him how did ye come to get the flat price. He said it was nearly the first thing they said when he called to enquire last Friday. They offered him the usual grid based system with 4.95 as base price or a flat price of 5.40 as it was all AAX he was sending.

If you look at the IFA website, the price up today for this week, is indeed 4.95 in the factory in midlands he went to.

Bass Reeves

No flat pricing locally for the average Joe. ABP and Dawn plants. Certain supplier that are killing 200+ a year get a bit more. Quoted base this week for local suppliers is 4.85/kg, I got 4.9 base for a single bullock going overag. 4.95 is probably available for a load. Sorry I did not hold him as he was FS 3+ he was a plain ch bullock grading O=.

If you are up in the Midlands and are between 3-4 processors ya you can price around and they will compete. But traveling a serious distance with cattle is not worth a hat of crabs.

Transport is now 25++/ head and you will definitely be loaded the evening before if not late afternoon. I see Sunday loading @ 11am for cattle to go to Slaney for Monday morning.

I have seen lads caught when the market changes. Know a lad locally that was an agent for a midlands plant that is carrying his cattle to Gortalea. He burnt his bridges with the local plants. He was amazed that myself and another lad were always getting the HE bonus all our HE 18 months ago as he could not get it where he was going to at the time.

Between transport and extra DW I would need 14-18 c/ kg to break even if travelling. 5c/ kg above that is 17-18 euro.

I saw it after the strike irregular suppliers struggled to get cattle killed and a large percentage went overrage and as well AA and HE bonuses disappeared for a lot of these lads.

There is 6-8 weeks during the year when you can really bargain but if you are supplying outside these times I do not want it to be costing me 14-18c/kg.

15c/ kg is the AA bonus locally I rang thevAA society and was told that was the standard bonus agreed with ABP. Bugbear but I cannot change it. I seldom have much more than 3-4 of them.

On the other hand I buy cattle out of Kerry at 50-100/ head cheaper than the Midlands so I cannot have it every way. Buying now to hang in 2025. Bought 4 Friesians and two SI last week. The Friesians are middle of the road O- average I would say.

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Albert Johnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519581#Comment_121519581

What sort of a chap is the last one at €130? If he's healthy and not stunted you're starting from a very low base as regards expense.

1373

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518135#Comment_121518135

Factories don't reward guys sending in Angus with fat scores of 2 . That an animal that's not finished.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519581#Comment_121519581

Good value but a long wait for the twist.

1373

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520079#Comment_121520079

Actually 20 cent difference is happening every day. I finish 60 to 100 fr bulls every year , all home reared. Last year I got 5.40 flat . My br in law got 5.20 same week, same agent. The difference was fat cover. His were half finished whereas I started feeding mine earlier. Whether I was better off than him at the end of the day is debatable

kk.man

Got 5.40 flat mix of he and aa and free transport last week. Just a trailer load.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520393#Comment_121520393

It’s there for anyone that wants it, hard to fathom that there’s men out there killing cattle that don’t understand what a flat price is or how it works. The factory agents must love seeing their names coming up on the phone.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519725#Comment_121519725

Healthy he is a flaker 3-4 month old calf, if you look on the LHS of the docket you will see days old they were. The three lighter ones are all 45-60 days they are all older but not that old. They have drank a lot of milk and eaten a lot of calf ration.

They are soft weanlings but have come in at the right price. The mollycoddling is over but they will be grand. I put the light lad into the only bedded pen I have with a light LMX heifer I bought a few weeks ago a shy ( but quite) animal as well.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520005#Comment_121520005

I never get this long wait crack on cattle. Its all about margin/profit. I have put in just under 20 cattle in the last 3 weeks for about 320-330 euro average. We are expanding our operation, the next 18 months may be tricky but if we can hold a decent slaughter level next year and get through the winter of 24/25 we can bang on again.

Those light cattle are costing 80c/ day on silage and 3/4 a kg of ration as well as minerals. 75 euro would carry them to April.

Did them with bovilis, Triobex as well as fluke and worms. They were squeezed as well. In total 500 will carry most of them to finish in May/ June 2025. Will they average up near the 1800 euro ????, definitely 1700.

Old style farming

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520642#Comment_121520642

The same ones I told you last night, Keepak in Kilbeggan and 2 different Liffey meats plants. There’s a private Abbatoir offering or also but I’ve never been happy with killout percentages there so I haven’t dealt there for a number of years now.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520652#Comment_121520652

No, good ground, yes TB not an issue at present. However low cost system at 450 kgs mart weight those Fr will not exceed 900 euro. The Six's and other coloured cattle might sell a bit better but on average I have never seen much money made in a mart.

In twenty years I have sold 15 cattle through the mart ( ten of them in the first year learned from my mistake) IMO it's +50 or -150 in the marts

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520706#Comment_121520706

Maybe but those stores have the hard work done. Go to the mart the wrong day and all your work is for nought. Take it you are stocked at 1.5 times finishing numbers. Now you need to market ( going from the 80 mentioned earlier) 120 cattle, will you haul at buying and selling. Mart fees presentation of stock, will you feed pre sale. There was only a really strong 3-4 week autumn mart sales period this year.

Now I have dry land and can manage early slaughter basically as long as I can keep a silage based winter system and slaughter 80+% before mid September I cannot improve on it I think

Albert Johnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520569#Comment_121520569

He should be sound so if that's the case. I seen the list of days but I was wondering if it was age or days in herd which may or may not be the same thing depending on movements. As above a dry lie and a pinch of meal will make a job of him, if he gets to grass early he'll fly it over the summer. Those little lads don't need hardship but there past the real baby stage all the same. You don't find 12 months passing and there into a different beast but the biggest problem I find is that you'd want a lot of ground to run a number of stock when you're going from that stage to finishing. However it's nice to see a beast actually growing into money and as a friend of mine would often say about the like "you'll never have to take any less for him".

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520079#Comment_121520079

Moves are on LHS of the days there is only one lad in the bunch that had more than one move. But ya you are right those are days in herd.

The three single movement friesians were in the rushes for a while before they were found.

You would amazed at how light you can buy cattle and they would not be stunted. If calves are adequately dobe for the first 8-10 weeks they can survive a nice bit of hardship. Often buy poor weight for age cattle and I be more worried about there genetics than they being stunted usually

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520619#Comment_121520619

I'll pm u later today

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521317#Comment_121521317

A haulier/tangler said to me a few years ago that bunches of hungry poorly weighting cattle will very seldom have anything seriously wrong with them. Its the single lad to watch out for. Admittely we buy a nice few singles ourselves. The lad selling those Friesians I bought should definately put the two heavier lads in one lot. Mart was quite same day 20-30 weanlings only about 8-10 light cattle after I got the SI's and the first Friesian there was little competition nobody was coming for one animal. The small lad fell very easy to me.

Albert Johnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521360#Comment_121521360

If there's a bundle of backward type cattle then it's usually a management issue. However there's also inbreeding and the like to look out for, those sort of cattle never seem to turn the corner even on a good run. The biggest thing I'd be afraid of is 1 backward lad coming in alongside a bundle of good comrade cattle. He got the same chance as the rest but for whatever reason never done the business.

A fella I'd know to see around the marts for years bought a few cows in our local town one night online last Christmas. He's from good land in Galway so obviously a step ahead of about here. There was one very weak SH cow on it and he remarked when he came the next day for her that she looked a dodge and thats why she came in cheap. I told him to show me her card and sure enough she came from our country and off a serious bad run of ground where she'd have gotten no minding and was probably incalf. I said I thought she should come ok with a bit of care and that she'd be an out lier and to leave her out. He met me lately and said I was right about the cow, she calved in the spring and reared an average weanling and he killed her off grass in October and got away grand. If you had an idea what you were buying and avoided the screws then you'd be away with it.

cosatron

liffey meats b.sloe

cull cow fr o=4+ 4.10/kg

aa heifers 21 months o=4+ 5.20/kg

over age fr hiefer o-4+ 4.65/kg

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520569#Comment_121520569

So are you changing your system and buying all handy weanings or are you hoping to buy these along with your store cattle and increase the number of cattle you sell annually?

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I have 4 x CHX, 23 months old, all over 800kg. Bullocks

What should I be aiming to get from the factory?

HHH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525807#Comment_121525807

Bulls or bullocks?

Conversations 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525904#Comment_121525904

Sorry, Bullocks

Got €5, haulage paid

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121524382#Comment_121524382

I have about 55-60 cattle capable of being slaughtered by end of 2024. We will probably be farming a bit more ground next year. However we have limited shed space and nitrate alowance space and cattle always climb fast in price so we are target part of the expansion by buying weanlings that can be slaughtered in 2025. Aim to be slaughtering 90+ in 2025