Beef price tracker 2

Bass Reeves

Anyone seeing thrive struggling with all the rain.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829119#Comment_120829119

Plus 1 on the English/Australian free trade deal. It was a massive mechanism these last few weeks to defuse beef price.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829897#Comment_120829897

Not so much with finishing stock at grass but others yes with stemmy grass.

Siamsa Sessions

The mood of the cattle seems to reflect the weather at the moment: never content and bawling when it's raining and then stretched out sunning themselves when the sun come out.

I'm assuming backing into each other against the ditch during the downpours isn't helping them gain 1kg/day

Conversations 3

Have a load of FR and FRX ready to go, rang this morning and booked for Friday, wanted them this evening but I'm busy.

Around €4.85 at the moment, they will call to confirm on Wednesday.

Coming up on 30 my months so can't hold onto them, and he reckons they'll try get the price to 4.50 by September

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829897#Comment_120829897

Sent some this morning. Ran the bunch over the scales while splitting out the few to go. Had done a good thrive over the past 3 weeks. An average of 1.4kg/day across the bunch. Have been on aftergrass since the last weighing.

Store cattle would definitely be feeling the drop in DM of grass. The bucketed calves have had hay with them in a feeder since turn out. Now with the rain they are hammering through it in jig time.

smallbeef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830362#Comment_120830362

Its gas when agents say they have plenty cattle but he'd have taken them this evening!

No point holding onto them is right, it won't go up now, I doubt they'll manage to drop to 4.50 by Sept but fairly sure they'll break it come October when the 7 month men and 20 month finishers present their cattle.

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830360#Comment_120830360

Never waste a good crisis. We as beef farmers need to come out and say what genetics we want from dairy beef calves, We will be the only pressure relief valve now left. It's simple, provide a better beef sub index in the EBI and a kick up the backside for many of the super short gestation and super easy calving. That combo together has such ill effects what you are looking at 24mths after the calf drops

100% agree that calf exports are finished in the next 24 months. They way I see it is that we will have a contraction in the dairy herd by approx 10-15% as the effects dero and nitrates. This removes approx 150-200k calves out of the system.

It feels like a bit of a pincer movement on dairy farmers, enviro regs, nitrates, dero, milk price and now the calf exports issue coming from all sides. The squeeze is on to cut numbers

smallbeef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830493#Comment_120830493

First time in a long time I actually feel sorry for dairy farmers as a collective. They're in for an unfair ride. The rug is being pulled from beneath them very soon after they were told to drive on. Its a tough gig and they're reputation has nosedived over the past few years mainly because a few greedy dairy-heroes (who I don't feel sorry for). Teagasc have alot to answer for.

Its been seriously tough for beef lads to make a living for years, thats why for most of us its a part-time gig.

Cavanjack

With sexed semen use on the increase I’d say there’ll be no friesian bulls in a couple of years. So that’ll be the end of calves been exported anyway. There’ll be that many aa and wh calves the bonuses will probably stop for them.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830769#Comment_120830769

I was just about to post similar. The leadership that Dairy Farmers have had and the direction (New Zealand gospel) that Teagasc and IFJ have led them has been almost criminal. With the exception of a small cohort, the majority swallowed the whole EBI waffle hook line and sinker and will suffer the consequences now with no repercussions for Teagasc head brass.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830362#Comment_120830362

What will be the difference in value of fresian. Under 30 months and over by a few weeks

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120831102#Comment_120831102

If you weren't planning to kill him before 30 leave, he'll probably not be there weight wise.

If he is near enough, it would be worth getting him gone.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120831180#Comment_120831180

Sorry didn't explain too well .I meant as over 30 months looking bonuses .I find with fresians. a lot don't get bonus anyway.

Picking Dasies

Hi All,

21month old bullocks c.500kg, mart now or in Oct?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120831900#Comment_120831900

Unless you are going to put 100+ kgs on between now and mid October I would be inclined to sell in August

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830769#Comment_120830769

While I feel sorry for them I would be angry with them as well. 5-7 years ago it took a good cow to turn 2k in turnover.

Now a lot of them are telling us it is nearly taking that in costs. Yes fertilizer, electricity, diesel and ration have gone up ( it's gone up in us as well) but has it added 15-20c/K to there costs.

The signs were obvious to anyone that opened there eyes for the last five years that calf slaughter and export were going to be an issue. The derogation and cow banding were oblivious for the last 2-3 years. Housing was obvious for 5+ years as well. But when we argued the point with them the God of turnover was all that was spoken about.

Remember some of these were the lads wanting us to rear heifers for 70-90c/day as sure we were only fooling at beef. Neither could any beef man rent land with the prices they were paying. A lot of them will be chasing tails with because of stupid land rental costs, unable to pay labour costs. As my mother used to say they made there bed now they will have to lie on it.

Some of the larger lads on 200+ acres had nice integrated dairy and beef systems. @Jjameson how is that lad down near you with the tillage, beef and dairy farm going

It's the same with some winter finishers cribbing and crying over the price for the last 6-8 weeks. The fact is if you do not manage your own costs nobody else will.

Hershall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829897#Comment_120829897

Slow enough during the dry weather thought they did well enough since rain and growth came. Will be killing a few shortly interesting to see the killout

smallbeef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120832170#Comment_120832170

The contract rearing thing did boil my piss alright. Was approached to do it for a euro a day a few years ago, that would leave me about 30 euro a head for 12 months. I said it would be a bad bullock wouldn't leave me over 200 in a 12 month keep. He started quoting the teagasc tripe about a guaranteed cash flow bla bla. I said not a hope. He's still thick with me. He never found anyone to rear his heifers

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120832281#Comment_120832281

Same here slow during the dry weather,then a great thrive until about a week ago after slowing up again now

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120832387#Comment_120832387

The neck ....ffs imagine a lad being thick because you made a decision to run your business the best way for you...

You better off not dealing with entitled pricks like that....they have no respect for anyone but themselves and would ride roughshod over anyone if that attitude is anything to go by.

Effectively this lad is thick because you didn't do something that was bad for you to benefit him if im reading this right......and probably completely lacking in self awareness too....I had what I think is a similar lad near to me annoyed because I wouldn't buy calves off him...they'd split hailstones as I heard a lad say once.

Injuryprone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830906#Comment_120830906

I'd take a friesan bull before easy calving Angus any day. Or anything off a cross bred herd.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833103#Comment_120833103

The bonuses will remain but the AA one may not be as hot as it is at present

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833289#Comment_120833289

Is that the only breed bonus available? It’s helping to keep the AA prices up

morphy87

im thinking of starting to feed my cattle,continentals a mixture from suckler cows and british fresian, just after letting them off on great after grass, I will be giving these 4 to 5 kgs of beef ration, what weight should they gain daily?

Cows getting another belt down here again next week. Probably the 7th drop in the last 9 weeks.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840748#Comment_120840748

What are R grade cows making now?

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840748#Comment_120840748

I squeezed 4.10 for a good load of O's and p's last week ,and there were back this week so what is the average Joe quoted next week 3.80? for O's

E

420 down here with the top bracket on a shake more for o/p mix. But that's an extremely good price.

Saw 5 fr cows in a poll on Monday needed 435 to get out.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841278#Comment_120841278

There is definitely a better price promise for certain types of cattle given to agents like never before. You be better off bringing r+ cattle to the mart than the factories these days. It's a real squeeze out the small operator this year. Between feedlots and contract cattle the difference is noticeable. Agriland price ending 9th July is 5.16 for bullocks and that's the average from my reading. There's some ppl making money out of beef farming that is now a very lob sided enterprise.