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EU Launch New Asylum Policy

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    #32
    TomTomTim
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.


    Something bad happened to a black lad in America, so lets override the will of the people in Ireland. These types truly live in la la land when it comes to reason.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    Kivaro
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.
    He is deliberately trying to circumvent the will of 80% of the people in this country who knew that anchor babies were a scam at that time.


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    #34
    Kivaro
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?
    I can assure you that RTE is in deep conversation with all their top 'talent' on this one. They will do their best to force our politicians not to comply with this new European asylum policy.

    We should expect a massive tirade from RTE in the coming days and weeks. If you thought that the constant story lines every hour of the day of getting rid of Direct Provision was bad; wait until they start attacking this new asylum policy. Asylum NGO CEOs, Irish academics, and RTE political commentators will be going into overdrive to fight this.


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    Patrick2010
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    You can almost predict the gist of Fintan O Tooles next column...


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    #36
    Gatling
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    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    You can almost predict the gist of Fintan O Tooles next column...

    I can imagine jennifer zamparelli and Joe Duffy will be leading the way with sob stories every day .
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    Damien360
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    Varik wrote: »
    The 3 months is the time limit for the asylum decision, that includes time for a single appeal.

    There's no more appeals of appeals, just the original case and subsequent appeals don't give the person leave to remain while those appeals are in play.

    Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.

    Can you march to the highest court in the land with full cost of the most expensive barrister at a cost to the taxpayer in every other country in the EU ? I’m sure you are entitled to lawyers and barristers if you cannot pay elsewhere but are the payments to those professionals low or at whatever they decide ?

    That is the biggest issue for ireland. Barrister costs. I’m sure that’s why we have so few deportations due to excess costs. It’s probably cheaper to leave the person here indefinitely.


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    #38
    Varik
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    Damien360 wrote: »
    Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.
    .

    It's both, Ireland will be mandated to change it's national laws and even before that any case brought to the ECJ will be subject to it.


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    Dyr
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    He is deliberately trying to circumvent the will of 80% of the people in this country who knew that anchor babies were a scam at that time.

    Trots gonna trot.

    He's just trying to put the greens in awkward position for voting. like the other toolbox Paul Murphy was a few weeks ago


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    Galwayguy35
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    Gatling wrote: »
    I can imagine jennifer zamparelli and Joe Duffy will be leading the way with sob stories every day .

    Jaysus that one is insufferable, her show comes on at our break time at work and the guff she comes out with is unreal.


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    LeBash
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    Question.
    If we were to follow the EU rules and move to the 3 month decision model. What do you want all the underemployed solicitors and barristers to do?

    Put them up against a wall and shoot them for aiding and abetting crime and im not talking about asylum specialist though.

    In reality, there is plenty to do, we have a massive backlog in the system.


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    Galwayguy35
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.

    FF and FG won't budge on this one, SF the Greens and Labour along with the hard left all want it overturned.

    Wonder do the people who vote in the likes on Mick Barry realise the views of the TD they giving their number 1 to.


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    Damien360 wrote: »
    Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.

    Is that right to appeal there for just Irish citizens, with other considerations such as UN treaties covering those who aren't Irish citizens? Until refugees or Asylum seekers are accepted as such, they're still essentially illegal immigrants, and have already broken one law.. that is the law for entry to a country. Surely that would take precedence over any appeal, if the government wished to push such an angle?

    I suspect the biggest stumbling block isn't Irish law, but rather UN protections regarding refugee rights.
    Can you march to the highest court in the land with full cost of the most expensive barrister at a cost to the taxpayer in every other country in the EU ? I’m sure you are entitled to lawyers and barristers if you cannot pay elsewhere but are the payments to those professionals low or at whatever they decide ?

    That is the biggest issue for ireland. Barrister costs. I’m sure that’s why we have so few deportations due to excess costs. It’s probably cheaper to leave the person here indefinitely.

    Probably, but then, my guess is that there's never been any real effort to find workarounds... simply going with the flow, which is very Irish.. previously both the EU and the UN were pushing the migrant angle. If the EU starts to back the desires of nations to resist migrants, then there might be a chance to bypass the existing problems.

    In any case, from what I've seen of Irish law, with the exemption of the Constitution, the law can be changed. If there's the will to do so.


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