EU Launch New Asylum Policy

Jamie2k9

In Summary:

* Improved identify Checks
* Tracking movement to other countries
* 3 month decisions and swift deportation
* Member States can pay for deportations on behalf of other Member States or Accept refugees or a mix of both

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/new-pact-on-migration-and-asylum-package_0.pdf

Geuze

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

* 3 month decisions and swift deportation

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/new-pact-on-migration-and-asylum-package_0.pdf

Will the 3 months apply to AS in Ireland?

Jamie2k9

Geuze wrote: »

Will the 3 months apply to AS in Ireland?

Assume so but Ireland has an opt out of this under Lisbon Treaty but lets be honest I don't see the Goverment using it.

Gatling

Not a hope we will deportation in 3 months ,
1400 deportations in something like 20 + years ,yet we've seen 60,000 through dp alone

jay0109

Geuze wrote: »

Will the 3 months apply to AS in Ireland?

Have you met our Learned friends in the law industry!

FGR

Gatling wrote: »

Not a hope we will deportation in 3 months ,
1400 deportations in something like 20 + years ,yet we've seen 60,000 through dp alone

This statistic alone is outrageous at the very least.

What is it about this country and an inability to modernise and streamline its legal system?

TheBlackPill

We are a weak civilization despite our wealth and technology, in the decadent phase before the fall. it may take a generation or a few centuries, but we will fall just like Rome.

Kivaro

jay0109 wrote: »

Have you met our Learned friends in the law industry!

Yep, between the Irish legal profession and the other asylum "business" families, there is way too much money made from the asylum industry. The Irish government will respond to the vested needs in this country, including the numerous CEO-led asylum NGOs, rather than follow a logical approach to the endless stream of non-EU economic migrants who want to come to Ireland in the guise of asylum seekers.

Whatever causes the greatest pain to the Irish worker will ultimately be the government's direction with this new EU policy.

kildare lad

FGR wrote: »

This statistic alone is outrageous at the very least.

What is it about this country and an inability to modernise and streamline its legal system?

Lawyers lapping up the gravy train , appeal after appeal

irishproduce

Question.
If we were to follow the EU rules and move to the 3 month decision model. What do you want all the underemployed solicitors and barristers to do?

Kivaro

irishproduce wrote: »

Question.
If we were to follow the EU rules and move to the 3 month decision model. What do you want all the underemployed solicitors and barristers to do?

Hopefully get deported too.
We do not want those types of characters in our country.

Blazer

irishproduce wrote: »

Question.
If we were to follow the EU rules and move to the 3 month decision model. What do you want all the underemployed solicitors and barristers to do?

I’d be quite happy to have them on the dole.
Or they can get another job like what any other person in life does when they lose their jobs.

Eric Cartman

Gatling wrote: »

Not a hope we will deportation in 3 months ,
1400 deportations in something like 20 + years ,yet we've seen 60,000 through dp alone

airlines struggling , this new policy, I think I have a solution,

Dear Michael O Leary, the Irish government is going to bail you out in the form of paying for 60,000 one way tickets from Ireland to a bunch of countries that are spectacularly too far away to be the first landing point for any asylum seeker. Enjoy.

Varik

Gatling wrote: »

Not a hope we will deportation in 3 months ,
1400 deportations in something like 20 + years ,yet we've seen 60,000 through dp alone

No more infinite appeals.

Applicants with claims examined under the border procedure will only avail of one right to appeal. Stricter rules will also be introduced to discourage unfounded or subsequent applications with the sole aim of preventing removal.

Reading the amended proposal, countries can now rescind asylum statues for sericeous crimes or if the person poses a danger.

creeper1

Any asylum policies from EU are designed to give away the homelands of the native peoples. I’m always very, very suspicious of anything coming out from them.

But you know what? Since you are mentioning the fall of Rome. Constantinople stood as descendant of the Roman Empire for about 1000 years after Rome itself fell.

In the long term Western Europe is likely Sweden. Absolutely finished. However I hope Eastern Europe can continue to hold out against the fascist EU.

DangerScouse

creeper1 wrote: »

Any asylum policies from EU are designed to give away the homelands of the native peoples. I’m always very, very suspicious of anything coming out from them.

But you know what? Since you are mentioning the fall of Rome. Constantinople stood as descendant of the Roman Empire for about 1000 years after Rome itself fell.

In the long term Western Europe is likely Sweden. Absolutely finished. However I hope Eastern Europe can continue to hold out against the fascist EU.

Eastern Europe is holding the line for sure. They value their countries and want to preserve some sort of an identity for themselves. Mainland Europe is a mess now and it's so sad to see.

TheBlackPill

Europe is acting as a pressure valve for all these terrible countries by taking their excess angry young men. This needs to stop. In effect Europe is being destroyed to protect the elites of the middle East, Pakistan, and Africa.

irishproduce

It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?

Gatling

irishproduce wrote: »

It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?

The same reason whenever there is crime and stories about gangs who are prodominatly Africans running amok across the country get no mention in the media ,rte then had zero issues running the blm protests here despite breaking covid restrictions but apparently that's a positive story

Varik

irishproduce wrote: »

It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?

Probably can't figure out how to spin it, going by the news this morning a lot of the NGO are up in arms about it.

The EU is infallible, migrations is always good, and the NGO aren't a bunch of money grabbing morally superiors zealots. Can't have the EU and the NGOs at odds and no Irish politician from the big parties is going to want to stick the neck out, and the smaller indie/3 letters types won't get on to air their grievances.

TomTomTim

irishproduce wrote: »

It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?

Nothing in the Journal either.

kildare lad

kildare lad wrote: »

Lawyers lapping up the gravy train , appeal after appeal

It's not the lawyers acting on their own to make money. It's the NGO's/activist groups who sponsor the lawyers or have them on retainer. The NGOs have a personal stake in making appeals and keeping the numbers of migrants in Ireland.

We really need to be drastically slimming down on the number of NGO's supported by the State if we expect anything to improve.

suicide_circus

3 months? I have to say i'm pleasantly stocked

Gatling

suicide_circus wrote: »

3 months? I have to say i'm pleasantly stocked

3 months after 10 years of court actions and appeals

suicide_circus

More than likely. Still surprising it says 3 months rather than 3 years.

Varik

Gatling wrote: »

3 months after 10 years of court actions and appeals

The 3 months is the time limit for the asylum decision, that includes time for a single appeal.

There's no more appeals of appeals, just the original case and subsequent appeals don't give the person leave to remain while those appeals are in play.

irishproduce

I'd love to get a read of the circulars and memos that are being dispatched around law library members on this.
Both before this week's announcement and since.

I'm not sure what power the lobby here has, but this proposal is a serious threat to many of the law library's poorer quality solicitors and barristers. It won't affect those who are skilled and earn their crust through good law practice.
However like those who live off the free legal welfare, if enacted here, the 3 month thing, enforced through agreed EU law, would seriously impact on law library members' ability to make a living.

The NGOs surely must be circulating documents internally also. As a poster above stated, they have serious interest at stake. Existential interest. Which in itself is disgusting.


I can't see it being introduced here, the tax payer will continue to have to fund the arriving illegal migrants, the desperate legal teams who sniff around and the NGOs who have nowhere else to get a job.

Unaccompanied, or children under 12 (with parents nearby) would be exempt from the new rules.. so.. nice little loophole there for the NGOs to play with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBeVdy7bU-M

The part about children is at the end. Although I found it amusing that the video in the background shows the NGOs giving life vests to migrants, and bringing them in on rubber boats, while talking about these supposedly stricter procedures, but not one reference to how the NGOs are affecting the migrant transfers...

Sure, the new proposals sound nice but I'm still skeptical. It just sounds like PR spin, since there's not really much that's new compared with previous proposals and what was applied (but not enforced).

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

Unaccompanied, or children under 12 (with parents nearby) would be exempt from the new rules.. so.. nice little loophole there for the NGOs to play with.

There's gonna be some amount of bearded children!

This policy threatens the livelihoods of a lot of people: providers of AS accommodation, legal profession and NGOs

TheBlackPill

suicide_circus wrote: »

There's gonna be some amount of bearded children!

This policy threatens the livelihoods of a lot of people: providers of AS accommodation, legal profession and NGOs

You can even see their wisdom teeth when they are laughing at us.
Does anybody remember when most refugees were women children and old people fleeing fighting, while the men fought a rearguard to get them out?

Jamie2k9

Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.

TomTomTim

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.

Something bad happened to a black lad in America, so lets override the will of the people in Ireland. These types truly live in la la land when it comes to reason.

Kivaro

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.

He is deliberately trying to circumvent the will of 80% of the people in this country who knew that anchor babies were a scam at that time.

Kivaro

irishproduce wrote: »

It's very strange that RTE do not have this story in their main news feed on the app, however about 8 stories down, they are still displaying that 35 houses in Galway have been rented to house ASs. Weird. Why don't they report it on the top of news?

I can assure you that RTE is in deep conversation with all their top 'talent' on this one. They will do their best to force our politicians not to comply with this new European asylum policy.

We should expect a massive tirade from RTE in the coming days and weeks. If you thought that the constant story lines every hour of the day of getting rid of Direct Provision was bad; wait until they start attacking this new asylum policy. Asylum NGO CEOs, Irish academics, and RTE political commentators will be going into overdrive to fight this.

Patrick2010

You can almost predict the gist of Fintan O Tooles next column...

Gatling

Patrick2010 wrote: »

You can almost predict the gist of Fintan O Tooles next column...

I can imagine jennifer zamparelli and Joe Duffy will be leading the way with sob stories every day .

Damien360

Varik wrote: »

The 3 months is the time limit for the asylum decision, that includes time for a single appeal.

There's no more appeals of appeals, just the original case and subsequent appeals don't give the person leave to remain while those appeals are in play.

Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.

Can you march to the highest court in the land with full cost of the most expensive barrister at a cost to the taxpayer in every other country in the EU ? I’m sure you are entitled to lawyers and barristers if you cannot pay elsewhere but are the payments to those professionals low or at whatever they decide ?

That is the biggest issue for ireland. Barrister costs. I’m sure that’s why we have so few deportations due to excess costs. It’s probably cheaper to leave the person here indefinitely.

Varik

Damien360 wrote: »

Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.
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It's both, Ireland will be mandated to change it's national laws and even before that any case brought to the ECJ will be subject to it.

Dyr

Kivaro wrote: »

He is deliberately trying to circumvent the will of 80% of the people in this country who knew that anchor babies were a scam at that time.

Trots gonna trot.

He's just trying to put the greens in awkward position for voting. like the other toolbox Paul Murphy was a few weeks ago

Galwayguy35

Gatling wrote: »

I can imagine jennifer zamparelli and Joe Duffy will be leading the way with sob stories every day .

Jaysus that one is insufferable, her show comes on at our break time at work and the guff she comes out with is unreal.

LeBash

irishproduce wrote: »

Question.
If we were to follow the EU rules and move to the 3 month decision model. What do you want all the underemployed solicitors and barristers to do?

Put them up against a wall and shoot them for aiding and abetting crime and im not talking about asylum specialist though.

In reality, there is plenty to do, we have a massive backlog in the system.

Galwayguy35

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Mick Barry PBP has introduced a bill to overtune the 2004 referendum on citizenship and was inspired by BLM protests. Hope the Green's don't force Goverment on this.

FF and FG won't budge on this one, SF the Greens and Labour along with the hard left all want it overturned.

Wonder do the people who vote in the likes on Mick Barry realise the views of the TD they giving their number 1 to.

Damien360

Damien360 wrote: »

Our legal system can’t hear any cases of any description within 3 months. How is this going to be possible ? The right to appeal is in Irish law and I’m guessing covered by convention on human rights. Is this new EU directive law or just a directive? If not law then it is dead already in Irish law. If EU law, then we may have some hope as it may override Irish law.

Is that right to appeal there for just Irish citizens, with other considerations such as UN treaties covering those who aren't Irish citizens? Until refugees or Asylum seekers are accepted as such, they're still essentially illegal immigrants, and have already broken one law.. that is the law for entry to a country. Surely that would take precedence over any appeal, if the government wished to push such an angle?

I suspect the biggest stumbling block isn't Irish law, but rather UN protections regarding refugee rights.

Can you march to the highest court in the land with full cost of the most expensive barrister at a cost to the taxpayer in every other country in the EU ? I’m sure you are entitled to lawyers and barristers if you cannot pay elsewhere but are the payments to those professionals low or at whatever they decide ?

That is the biggest issue for ireland. Barrister costs. I’m sure that’s why we have so few deportations due to excess costs. It’s probably cheaper to leave the person here indefinitely.

Probably, but then, my guess is that there's never been any real effort to find workarounds... simply going with the flow, which is very Irish.. previously both the EU and the UN were pushing the migrant angle. If the EU starts to back the desires of nations to resist migrants, then there might be a chance to bypass the existing problems.

In any case, from what I've seen of Irish law, with the exemption of the Constitution, the law can be changed. If there's the will to do so.