Renault Arkana coming here next year. About time.

AMKC

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-renault-arkana-coupe-suv-set-2021-uk-launch

Great looking car and some nice advanced economical clean engines too. Hopefully the pricing for it will be decent too. I would say between 30 and 40k and they could do well.

bazz26

Looks like they just morphed the current Megane saloon into a crossover to make it trendy.

sumo12

Depreciation at 4 times the power of gravity the same as every other Renault I'm guessing...

colm_mcm

sumo12 wrote: »

Depreciation at 4 times the power of gravity the same as every other Renault I'm guessing...

Show me all the cheap Kadjars.

Hurrache

sumo12 wrote: »

Depreciation at 4 times the power of gravity the same as every other Renault I'm guessing...

Nope, wrong guess.

I still think it was a shame to not see the Talisman come on sale here, they're onto the second version in Europe, it's a lovely car in the flesh but I guess not not much of a right hand drive market for it.

sumo12

Wow sorry lads, didn't realise Renault's were so coveted!

Guy:Incognito

sumo12 wrote: »

Wow sorry lads, didn't realise Renault's were so coveted!

All you were asked to do was back up a claim you made. Shouldnt be hard if its true............

Ta ceist agam

sumo12 wrote: »

Wow sorry lads, didn't realise Renault's were so coveted!

Get back on your bar stool!

James Bond Junior

It's no Avantime.

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

Show me all the cheap Kadjars.

And clios?

road_high

sumo12 wrote: »

Wow sorry lads, didn't realise Renault's were so coveted!

Well they’re consistently 6/7 in the sales charts here so yea, obviously a lot of people do covet a Renault!

RobAMerc

got to say I dont see the appeal of that Arkana

The coupe SUV is a real " more money than good sense" mobile to me, and those sorts are massive badge snobs

colm_mcm

RobAMerc wrote: »

got to say I dont see the appeal of that Arkana

The coupe SUV is a real " more money than good sense" mobile to me, and those sorts are massive badge snobs

Was listening to Richard Porter and he made the point that SUV coupes are the new coupes.

RobAMerc

colm_mcm wrote: »

Was listening to Richard Porter and he made the point that SUV coupes are the new coupes.

Dunno who Richard Porter is, but he is wrong !

this is a coupe.



this, most certainly is not !

AMKC

sumo12 wrote: »

Wow sorry lads, didn't realise Renault's were so coveted!

There is plenty of Renaults in this country and plenty of people happy with them. There is even the Renaults that most people might not realise are Renaults they just want a cheap reliable A to B car to get around and thats Dacia.

ratracer

Wouldn’t like the Arcana ( or any of that shaped car from any manufacturer), but that Talisman is a lovely looking car.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Was listening to Richard Porter and he made the point that SUV coupes are the new coupes.

He's right, I can see this bring the new Megane Coupe from the late 90s

colm_mcm

Yep. I’m probably like a broken record but 25 years ago you had what I call working mans coupes, as in non premium coupes.

Opel Calibra and Tigra, Toyota Paseo and Celica, Fiat Coupe, Ford Probe, Puma, Cougar, Honda Prelude and Integra, Nissan 100NX, 200ZX, Hyundai S Coupe, Renault Megane Coupe and many others.

You also had 3 door versions of family cars like the Corolla, Escort, Colt, Astra etc. Then you had convertibles.

The coupes were the first to go, then the convertibles and now the non premium 3 door hatch is almost extinct. This isn’t purely as a result of manufacturers being silly - it’s because people won’t buy them.

What they are buying is crossovers, and just like the Megane Coupe was essentially a Megane only different which appealed to someone looking for something a little different -so will the slightly less practical slopey roofed crossovers.

Big wheels and big ground clearance are slowly becoming the norm, where eventually what we would call a regular car will be notable by its diminutive height. This will happen.

I’m not happy about it, but that’s the direction things are going.

coolbeans

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yep. I’m probably like a broken record but 25 years ago you had what I call working mans coupes, as in non premium coupes.

Opel Calibra and Tigra, Toyota Paseo and Celica, Fiat Coupe, Ford Probe, Puma, Cougar, Honda Prelude and Integra, Nissan 100NX, 200ZX, Hyundai S Coupe, Renault Megane Coupe and many others.

You also had 3 door versions of family cars like the Corolla, Escort, Colt, Astra etc. Then you had convertibles.

The coupes were the first to go, then the convertibles and now the non premium 3 door hatch is almost extinct. This isn’t purely as a result of manufacturers being silly - it’s because people won’t buy them.

What they are buying is crossovers, and just like the Megane Coupe was essentially a Megane only different which appealed to someone looking for something a little different -so will the slightly less practical slopey roofed crossovers.

Big wheels and big ground clearance are slowly becoming the norm, where eventually what we would call a regular car will be notable by its diminutive height. This will happen.

I’m not happy about it, but that’s the direction things are going.

It's a stupid trend. Cars with big wheels and increased height are inherently less efficient. What they're achieving is undoing much of the gains made with respect to CO2 and fuel consumption. Seems mad but people seem to like their ugly cars these days. Tis a shame. To think I used to like BMWs.

hurleronditch

That talisman looks fantastic. Something to aspire to for a faithful Megane Estate driver like myself!!

coolbeans

hurleronditch wrote: »

That talisman looks fantastic. Something to aspire to for a faithful Megane Estate driver like myself!!

Is the new Mégane a good machine? The previous one had a great reputation. Thinking about one of those or a Leon FR estate as the next motor. The French are making some great cars last decade or so

road_high

hurleronditch wrote: »

That talisman looks fantastic. Something to aspire to for a faithful Megane Estate driver like myself!!

Great looking car. The GT line in a kind of orangey red looks fantastic o see the odd one about

AMKC

coolbeans wrote: »

Is the new Mégane a good machine? The previous one had a great reputation. Thinking about one of those or a Leon FR estate as the next motor. The French are making some great cars last decade or so

Yes it is, it's well made and very reliable too. Unlike a certain overrated German mass producing brand that some people aspire to own. Never seen the appeal myself.

Montage of Feck

I want a clio with a formula 1 engine in the boot not an ugly megane with jacked up suspension, lol.

RobAMerc

AMKC wrote: »

Yes it is, it's well made and very reliable too. Unlike a certain overrated German mass producing brand that some people aspire to own. Never seen the appeal myself.

Ok, lets not get carried away here, a Renault isnt exactly hand made and lets be fair there were an awful lot of issues with them going back a bit.

Reliability might be on the up but they are still considered a mid level product and the quality of them still isnt in the German premium brand levels, nor are the driving dynamics ( and by the way I have owned Renaults and am a big fan.)

If you are talking about an Opel, then they aren't even German !

hurleronditch

coolbeans wrote: »

Is the new Mégane a good machine? The previous one had a great reputation. Thinking about one of those or a Leon FR estate as the next motor. The French are making some great cars last decade or so

I certainly like them. The engine is nothing exciting but since they made them all 110 bhp there is plenty in them to get around. Overall the spec is decent, GT line is preferable but even in limited or dynamique spec you get plenty of kit other mass market brands you pay big money for. A 2 year old GT line with someone else taking the big depreciation hit and 3 years of warranty left is a very shrewd buy if you ask me

bobbyy gee

Ariana renult garbage

https://drivetribe.com/p/renault-arkana-is-just-a-mess-and-YWh4uFaNSXW3z1ijept77g?iid=boGFI3jXRZ-U4HzKSgyX2A

galwaytt

sumo12 wrote: »

Depreciation at 4 times the power of gravity the same as every other Renault I'm guessing...

Good if you're buying.

galwaytt

hurleronditch wrote: »

I certainly like them. The engine is nothing exciting but since they made them all 110 bhp there is plenty in them to get around. Overall the spec is decent, GT line is preferable but even in limited or dynamique spec you get plenty of kit other mass market brands you pay big money for. A 2 year old GT line with someone else taking the big depreciation hit and 3 years of warranty left is a very shrewd buy if you ask me

This ^^^

We bought a 3.5yr, old 2012 reg GT Line Tourer with EDC box, Kept it 4.5 years. Paid 15k for it as a 1 owner car with 39k kms on it , from a main dealer. Sold it after 4.5 years for 5k and they nearly took my hand off to buy it.

FSH, 160k kms on it, zero trouble bar 1 door handle which Renault warrantied at 5 yrs old. I loved it.

And, at time of purchase it was a fraction of the price of a VAG car.

galwaytt

RobAMerc wrote: »

Ok, lets not get carried away here, a Renault isnt exactly hand made and lets be fair there were an awful lot of issues with them going back a bit.

Reliability might be on the up but they are still considered a mid level product and the quality of them still isnt in the German premium brand levels, nor are the driving dynamics ( and by the way I have owned Renaults and am a big fan.)

If you are talking about an Opel, then they aren't even German !

Enlighten me on these 'issues'. I've bought 2 new and 3 used Renault over 20 years. Without question all have been more reliable than any German car I've had in the interim. That includes Audi, Porsche and Mercedes. And 2 x Saabs too.

I still have and love the German stuff, but our Renault go toe-toe easily. The last Mégane GT in particular was great.

ba_barabus

RobAMerc wrote: »

the quality of them still isnt in the German premium brand levels, nor are the driving dynamics

Don't Renault use a Mercedes Benz diesel engine now :P

PsychoPete

I'd be surprised if that actually gets released here

Henry Ford III

galwaytt wrote: »

Good if you're buying.

...2nd hand. Not so good for the 1st owner.

DaveyDave

I think the Megane is a nice looking car but this is an awful yoke. The crossover trend needs to die.

Hurrache

galwaytt wrote: »

Enlighten me on these 'issues'.

He might mean going back to the 90s when they did have quite a variety of electrical problems.

We had a Megane III from new for over 10 years before passing it on. Problem free apart from some issues around a leaky CV boot which failed an NCT, and a bent track rod arm. It was a great car otherwise.

road_high

ba_barabus wrote: »

Don't Renault use a Mercedes Benz diesel engine now :P

Is it not the other way around?!

ba_barabus

road_high wrote: »

Is it not the other way around?!

Depends who is buying and selling

The original point I was referencing was about Renault quality not being up to Merc's but that's not really the case when you look at some of their models.

ednwireland

road_high wrote: »

Is it not the other way around?!

not if you're a merc driver :D:D

galwaytt

road_high wrote: »

Is it not the other way around?!

Yes it is. C-Class is/was Renault engined.

galwaytt

ba_barabus wrote: »

Depends who is buying and selling

The original point I was referencing was about Renault quality not being up to Merc's but that's not really the case when you look at some of their models.

True, we've gone from Mégane to a CLS. The CLS is imperious, fabulous.

But I wouldn't dream of comparing it to the Mégane- and by the same token I wouldn't call it better than it either.

Its a different product for a different market - and price to match. In fact, the Mégane had some features the CLS does not.....

Interestingly the CLS has lost more in value in 4 years than an entire, new, Mégane would cost.

Even in Renault-land no-one depreciates their car to zero in 4 years ....

Makes you wonder....

circadian

Hurrache wrote: »

Nope, wrong guess.

I still think it was a shame to not see the Talisman come on sale here, they're onto the second version in Europe, it's a lovely car in the flesh but I guess not not much of a right hand drive market for it.

That's a nice looking car. If it was sold as a PHEV I'd certainly be interested.

bs2014

It looks very BMW X4/X6 but actually abit more subtle and smarter.

AMKC

RobAMerc wrote: »

Ok, lets not get carried away here, a Renault isnt exactly hand made and lets be fair there were an awful lot of issues with them going back a bit.

Reliability might be on the up but they are still considered a mid level product and the quality of them still isnt in the German premium brand levels, nor are the driving dynamics ( and by the way I have owned Renaults and am a big fan.)

If you are talking about an Opel, then they aren't even German !

Nope I am talking about that other overrated mass market German brand. You know the one that made the beetle.

Redderneck

Came very close to buying an used current model Espace (in Belgium) last year. Top of the range Initiale spec is a very, very nice place to be indeed. 1.6dci/160hp. Only for it being a big lump for on street parking, would have done so. Just open the doors and never need to worry about how much will fit, or if it might be time for the roofbox. Great family motor. Drove like you expect, sort of a gentle waft, but superbly fit for purpose. Irish B roads, not so much.

The Talisman is a fine motor. Don't see too many knocking around though, even over here.

The goal will be an autobox estate as the family car; an MX-5 as the fun car, and the wherewithal to put both in the driveway. Former as a hybrid/PHEV/EV if it makes sense. For now, diesel does, but the scales keep on tipping...

road_high

galwaytt wrote: »

Enlighten me on these 'issues'. I've bought 2 new and 3 used Renault over 20 years. Without question all have been more reliable than any German car I've had in the interim. That includes Audi, Porsche and Mercedes. And 2 x Saabs too.

I still have and love the German stuff, but our Renault go toe-toe easily. The last Mégane GT in particular was great.

The other issue is the cost of motoring and keeping cars going. The German premium makes are whoppers on this score if anything goes wrong outside of warranty you can be looking at crippling repairs bills.

road_high

AMKC wrote: »

Nope I am talking about that other overrated mass market German brand. You know the one that made the beetle.

I quite like VW's outside of the stingy spec and dodgy reliability

AMKC

PsychoPete wrote: »

I'd be surprised if that actually gets released here

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/10433/Renault-Arkana-coupe-SUV-to-go-on-sale-in-2021
It's coming in September. I hope it's a huge success for Renault. It looks great. They just need to get the specs and pricing right and if should do good. Can not wait to see one in the metal.

For Forks Sake

AMKC wrote: »

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/10433/Renault-Arkana-coupe-SUV-to-go-on-sale-in-2021
It's coming in September. I hope it's a huge success for Renault. It looks great. They just need to get the specs and pricing right and if should do good. Can not wait to see one in the metal.

It's the ugliest thing since the BMW X4 and X6 and it takes some doing to out-ugly those two

AMKC

For Forks Sake wrote: »

It's the ugliest thing since the BMW X4 and X6 and it takes some doing to out-ugly those two

I disagree. In fact I think I might even buy one in a couple of years time.

FrankC21

That is some ugly looking car, they should have continued the fluence and introduce fluence GT here, like in south america.

Leonard Hofstadter

It's less practical, will be worse to drive (because it's taller) and will be a lot dearer than a Megane. How is this suppsoed to be 'progress' ? Renault is far from the only car manufacturer guilty of charging more for cars that are unquestionably worse, but this nonsense of SUVs has got to stop.