Asti strike action

Smacruairi

beauf wrote: »

If you look at housing. The solution was to commercialise it, outsource it.
Ignore everyone who falls between the gaps. Unless it got votes.

Ok, forgive me but I'm struggling to see your point on this one

lawrencesummers

It’s a pity the staff at nursing homes didn’t vote for strike action when they were being ignored by the HSE and knew there was a problem.

Hopefully the teachers get the adequate protection they need.

s1ippy

beauf wrote: »

Robot teachers. That's what we need.

Nope
https://hechingerreport.org/the-future-includes-good-human-teachers/

Dav010

Smacruairi wrote: »

What backlash? You only have to read any teacher thread, the vast vast majority of commenters who disagree with us just hate teachers full stop. I can point them out for you if you want.what would the back lash be? They stop sending kids to school? Education isn't made an election priority?

I don’t hate teachers, but I will if my son who is in fifth year has to stay home again because of a strike. I would if either myself or my wife had to take time off work to look after kids. I will if you continue to be paid your wage while others have had their wages cut to €200 because Covid effected their job. And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

Blondini

Dav010 wrote: »

And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

Assault? Physical or verbal? Tyre slashing? What?

I'm sure they're quaking.

Look at the big picture and not just your own little world.

Padre_Pio

Dav010 wrote: »

None of them were striking in the middle of a pandemic which has had a catastrophic effect on our economy/employment and effected children’s education to such an extent.

This time the risk is that the massive backlash will be against teachers.

As I said, public opinion matters nothing at all.

Dav010 wrote: »

I don’t hate teachers, but I will if my son who is in fifth year has to stay home again because of a strike. I would if either myself or my wife had to take time off work to look after kids. I will if you continue to be paid your wage while others have had their wages cut to €200 because Covid effected their job. And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

It's nice to know your motivation is purely self involved. You're less concerned with the health of teachers, more concerned with your own career.
But as I said, it doesn't matter how angry you get. If it goes to strike (not confirmed) your feelings won't matter a damn.

EDIT: As a matter of interest, are either you or your spouse required to spend all day in a room with 30 people with little social distancing?

rainbowtrout

Dav010 wrote: »

I don’t hate teachers, but I will if my son who is in fifth year has to stay home again because of a strike. I would if either myself or my wife had to take time off work to look after kids. I will if you continue to be paid your wage while others have had their wages cut to €200 because Covid effected their job. And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

If your son's teachers get covid because of inadequate protection, he'll be at home anyway. Are you going to let your anger be known to his teachers then?:rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes

No connection with teaching, but in fairness the ASTI members played a blinder with 2020 LC marking and all that.

But now is not the time to protest methinks. Keep your powder dry as there will be ZERO support out there. Careful here.

Smacruairi

Dav010 wrote: »

I don’t hate teachers, but I will if my son who is in fifth year has to stay home again because of a strike. I would if either myself or my wife had to take time off work to look after kids. I will if you continue to be paid your wage while others have had their wages cut to €200 because Covid effected their job. And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

Why haven't you made your anger known about the absolute debacle of the schooling conditions. Are you ok with your son being in rooms of 20+ for hours at a time? It doesn't have to be this way, my friend.

beauf

s1ippy wrote: »

Nope
https://hechingerreport.org/the-future-includes-good-human-teachers/

Well if the choice is between nothing and bad bots, there be no other option.

Polka_Dot

From the ASTI website regarding the ballot:

"The ASTI Central Executive Committee met today and decided to ballot its members in relation to a number of key issues which have emerged since schools re-opened. The meeting heard that ASTI members have serious concerns about the health and safety of school communities. Issues raised include:

Physical distancing in schools
Provision of PPE
The definition of close contacts
Comprehensive testing and testing turnaround times
Provisions for high risk teachers
IT resources for students and teachers to facilitate remote teaching/ learning"

Can someone please tell me what there is unreasonable? What you think we should "get on with" at the risk of students' (believe it or not, we do care about them) and staff health?

um7y1h83ge06nx

I hope teachers go on a massive strike and don't hold back on the anger and vitriol. Maybe stay on strike for a few months while they're at it.

It might bring years of messing about to a head. The ASTI either get what they want or get so badly damaged that any future threats of industrial action are off the table for a long time.

Blondini

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But now is not the time to protest methinks. Keep your powder dry as there will be ZERO support out there. Careful here.

I couldn't give a craap if there's no support. Throw banana skins and milkshakes at me all you want. Support won't keep me alive.

This is too important. The timing is not an option.

beauf

Yeah bots, would solve most of that.

Count Hairyfoot

Dav010 wrote: »

I don’t hate teachers, but I will if my son who is in fifth year has to stay home again because of a strike. I would if either myself or my wife had to take time off work to look after kids. I will if you continue to be paid your wage while others have had their wages cut to €200 because Covid effected their job. And I will make my anger known to the teachers in my son’s school, and not by refusing to honk a car horn.

So you don't hate them as long as they don't inconvenience you in any way. That's very big of you and I'd love to know what you mean by "and not by refusing to honk a car horn"

But let me ask you this - are there any circumstances, any at all, while you have a child in school, that you would support a teacher strike?

Spanish Eyes

Polka_Dot wrote: »

From the ASTI website regarding the ballot:

"The ASTI Central Executive Committee met today and decided to ballot its members in relation to a number of key issues which have emerged since schools re-opened. The meeting heard that ASTI members have serious concerns about the health and safety of school communities. Issues raised include:

Physical distancing in schools
Provision of PPE
The definition of close contacts
Comprehensive testing and testing turnaround times
Provisions for high risk teachers
IT resources for students and teachers to facilitate remote teaching/ learning"

Can someone please tell me what there is unreasonable? What you think we should "get on with" at the risk of students' (believe it or not, we do care about them) and staff health?

Similar could be said for supermarket checkout people and those that have served us so well in many spheres for the last six months or so.

Teachers are not Gods. They did serve us well with the LC and I admire them for that, no question.

But pick your battles at the right time FGS.

Smacruairi

Alanna Most Tightrope wrote: »

I hope teachers go on a massive strike and don't hold back on the anger and vitriol. Maybe stay on strike for a few months while they're at it.

It might bring years of messing about to a head. The ASTI either get what they want or get so badly damaged that any future threats of industrial action are off the table for a long time.

To be honest, I'm all for this. One big blowout, get everything sorted. Too much tik tak.
Can I add that anyone working for jct or pdst on secondment gets placed back in the classroom too to help out ffs.

Blondini

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Similar could be said for supermarket checkout people and those that have served us so well in many spheres for the last six months or so.

Teachers are not Gods. They did serve us well with the LC and I admire them for that, no question.

But pick your battles at at the right time FGS.

Okay, I'll just get Covid on the phone now and tell it hold off for a while.

FGS yourself.

Padre_Pio

Count Hairyfoot wrote: »

So you don't hate them as long as they don't inconvenience you in any way. That's very big of you and I'd love to know what you mean by "and not by refusing to honk a car horn"

But let me ask you this - are there any circumstances, any at all, while you have a child in school, that you would support a teacher strike?

There has been DOZENS of strike thread on Boards over the years, it doesn't matter whether public support is there or not. Teachers/nurses/bus/train/LUAS drivers strike and the government always gives in.

And in fairness, as much as it pains me to admit it, they're usually right. Usually someone in management has f*cked up so badly that a strike is deserved.
I am not a teacher and I'd hate to be one. It's less about teaching and more about being a social care, mental health, sex ed, guidance councillor.

Most teachers would say that parents are the worst part of the job, as so many parents are so busy and detached from what their child is experiencing day to day that they expect teachers to pick up the slack.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Why? I always see this argument. Surely teachers should have a better grasp of logic

A member of the public thinking that teachers get paid too much for what they do does not have to equate to either a desire to do that work, or to a statement that it is a highly paid salary.

In a sense I agree, but people making these comments usually have no experience into what being a teacher is like and fall into the stereotypical "shur they only work 6 hours a day colouring in pictures" thinking.

Count Hairyfoot

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Similar could be said for supermarket checkout people and those that have served us so well in many spheres for the last six months or so.

Teachers are not Gods. They did serve us well with the LC and I admire them for that, no question.

But pick your battles at the right time FGS.

These would be the same supermarkets where you had to queue up outside to keep the numbers down? With the exception of the supply of PPE none of the points are at all similar.

Spanish Eyes

Blondini wrote: »

Okay, I'll just get Covid on the phone now and tell it hold off for a while.

FGS yourself.

Oops you are angry. Why?

Blondini

Donald Trump wrote: »

Why? I always see this argument. Surely teachers should have a better grasp of logic.


A member of the public thinking that teachers get paid too much for what they do does not have to equate to either a desire to do that work, or to a statement that it is a highly paid salary.



For example, if I have a kid and I hire the local 17 year old babysitter one evening to mind him/her old while I do something, and that babysitter then charges 25 Euro an hour I might think that that is too much. I don't need to have a desire to give up my 9-5 to become a babysitter in order to have that opinion.


Whether my opinion on the 25 Euro an hour babysitter is "correct" is irrelevant to my point on the logic. A person can think that being a teacher is not a highly paid job but still think that they are paid at too high a rate for the work they actually do.



As for a strike, why didn't they go on "symbolic strike" the last 5 or 6 months they were sitting at home.

This is not after hours.
Also, your wonderful groundbreaking ideas have been heard a thousand times before.

Spanish Eyes

Count Hairyfoot wrote: »

These would be the same supermarkets where you had to queue up outside to keep the numbers down? With the exception of the supply of PPE none of the points are at all similar.

I know, I'm hopping a ball.

Have there been any challenges in any other EU country yet regarding this issue?

Not that I have seen. But there we are now. Ireland is different.

Dav010

Padre_Pio wrote: »

As I said, public opinion matters nothing at all.



It's nice to know your motivation is purely self involved. You're less concerned with the health of teachers, more concerned with your own career.
But as I said, it doesn't matter how angry you get. If it goes to strike (not confirmed) your feelings won't matter a damn.

EDIT: As a matter of interest, are either you or your spouse required to spend all day in a room with 30 people with little social distancing?

Everyone’s motivation is purely self involved at the moment. That is what you are failing to grasp. These are not ordinary times, people are worried, but still going to work.

Yes Padre, we are, both my wife and I work in health care, so I’ll take no lectures from you about working in a dangerous environment.

Darc19

Alanna Most Tightrope wrote: »

With luck common sense can prevail in the ASTI.

Common sense simply does not exist in the ASTI

It's all about them and their needs of power.

Someday there will be a very strong minister of education and they will stand up to the bully tactics of the hardliners

Count Hairyfoot

Donald Trump wrote: »

As for a strike, why didn't they go on "symbolic strike" the last 5 or 6 months they were sitting at home.

Well they, like lots of others, were working from home for 3 of those months. As they are talking about the safety in schools they probably assumed that the department might take the time to come up with a workable plan instead of what they presented in the end, so they had no need to strike.

khalessi

Donald Trump wrote: »

As for a strike, why didn't they go on "symbolic strike" the last 5 or 6 months they were sitting at home.

Maybe because the majority were teaching while the Deptarment told us they were working on a plan which was due out in June, instead the HSE delivered one and our plan came out in July giving teachers about 3 and 1/2 weeks to get schools sorted so students could come back and then our Minister disappeared when schools were open and here we are now 3 weeks or so in, clusters, schools closing, 30 teachers contacted by Covid app and then superseded by HSE who said shure be grand

lawrencesummers

I found out during the week that teachers are not being given PPE.

That’s the most basic and simplest of requirement for ANY employee in ANY job.

Blondini

Donald Trump wrote: »

Surely you'd have grasped them by this then - no?




You can argue, and have the opinion that X or Y or Z is a difficult job or hard work. It just annoys me when people appear to think they prove something with what amounts to a simple non-sequitur . The suspicion must be that an argument must not be strong if you have to try to resort to such tactics.

Take you long to type that nonsense? because it's about to be deleted.
Good luck.

Spanish Eyes

Payback for the LC marking. So obvious. But anyway they did good and fair play to them in difficult circumstances.

But going on strike will be a bad move now I think. Just my opinion.