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    #152
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Seems impossible to have a reasonable and reasoned discussion on this issue, in this this forum. Which is disappointing. Be interesting to see how the strike works out. I won't be greatly effected by it either way. I'm just surprised how fast we got to strike as the only option considering everything else going on.


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    #153
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    The Belly wrote: »
    not yet but unions across the board are starting up

    Hardly surprising. Someone is going to have to pay for all this. Not everyone got back what they lost have the last crash and compromises were made in the name of the recovery. A lot of people are still bitter about that, and can see a repeat on the horizon.


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    #154
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭amacca


    beauf wrote: »
    I'm simply asking what statistics is this ballot on...

    Not sure how simply asking a questions, or exploring the issues in discussion is being riled up. Even if I was, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Are we not allowed ask questions in a thread about education....


    Who said you couldnt ask questions? You are imagining some sort of attempted censorship I think...

    You did ask what will you have tried (i presume you meant teachers) ...I responded by saying that the attempt is already underway

    You either dont like the answers you are getting to your questions and seek to obfuscate rather than engage or you dont understand the responses fully

    Posters not necessarily fully agreeing with you or questioning you is debate not censorship


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    #155
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Any word from the primary school unions?

    INTO have tweeted about a crossword .


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    #156
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    INTO have tweeted about a crossword .

    Maybe there are cues in the answers:D

    They also tweeted they're in talks
    https://twitter.com/INTOnews/status/1307318001952329730


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    #157
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭amacca


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    INTO have tweeted about a crossword .

    :D

    That gave me a good laugh.......


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    #158
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Sorry but I don't give a flying ****. Its about health and lives. You don't win a dispute by getting the public on side. You get it by pissing them off. Unfortunately a lot of teachers raised on the bull**** propagated by the independent believe they are lucky to have any old job at all. Remember joe public thought we'd have a soft landing and Eamon gilmore would save them from all cutbacks.So forgive me if I don't give a **** what you or joe public thinks !

    And this is why the public will think you are a bunch of snowflakes.

    I think you are misjudging public sentiment if you go forward with this attitude. Everyone is worried about going back to work, about family members, about paying their mortgage and groceries. In the past, most people would be mildly interested in what you do, as long as it didn’t effect them to much. But considering we all have had to go back to work even though there are health concerns, I am certain there will be no sympathy for you, in fact, I think there will be anger. This could actually be the opportunity the Government has been waiting for to slap down the unions, this time with public support.

    You don’t give a flying f**k about the effect on our children and jobs, with public anger directed toward you, you reap what you sow.


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    #159
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    amacca wrote: »
    :D

    That gave me a good laugh.......

    They had to be messaged by many to remove the tweet and think more in terms of members dying .


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    #160
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Dav010 wrote: »
    And this is why the public will think you are a bunch of snowflakes.

    I think you are misjudging public sentiment if you go forward with this attitude. Everyone is worried about going back to work, about family members, about paying their mortgage and groceries. In the past, most people would be mildly interested in what you do, as long as it didn’t effect them to much. But considering we all have had to go back to work even though there are health concerns, I am certain there will be no sympathy for you, in fact, I think there will be anger. This could actually be the opportunity the Government has been waiting for to slap down the unions, this time with public support.

    You don’t give a flying f**k about the effect on our children and jobs, with public anger directed toward you, you reap what you sow.

    Your not wrong there is no mood for strikes. It will back fire in a big way if it happens.


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    #161
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    The Belly wrote: »
    Your not wrong there is no mood for strikes. It will back fire in a big way if it happens.
    I'm pretty sure it's got absolutely nothing to do with your mood.


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    #162
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I think you are misjudging public sentiment if you go forward with this attitude.

    Oh you're wrong, because reading boards we know exactly what the public sentiment is, and it can't really get any worse.

    Also, what is the public going to do? Not honk their horns at the picket?


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    #163
    Polka_Dot
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Polka_Dot


    I know that pay inequality is an ongoing issue and not the priority right now, but I would also like to see the 2 tier system for the new Covid supervision challenged. It makes no sense to me that this new job, that nobody is more or less qualified to do, is being paid at two different rates depending on when teachers qualified.


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    #164
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it's got absolutely nothing to do with your mood.

    My mood is just perfect I was making a comment on public sentiment.


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    #165
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    The Belly wrote: »
    Your not wrong there is no mood for strikes. It will back fire in a big way if it happens.

    Backfire?

    Like what? Not send your kids to school as a protest?

    Explain?


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    #166
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Blondini wrote: »
    Oh you're wrong, because reading boards we know exactly what the public sentiment is, and it can't really get any worse.

    Also, what is the public going to do? Not honk their horns at the picket?

    Can’t get any worse? Our kids missed 3 months of school, there is anger over the LC results this month, your strike will mean our kids are off again and parents will have to take time off work to look after kids because grand parents aren’t there to help out, you think public sentiment can’t get any worse? Are you serious?


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    #167
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Blondini wrote: »
    Backfire?

    Like what? Not send your kids to school as a protest?

    Explain?

    The arrogance and lack of awareness for what others are facing right now is truly nauseating.


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    #168
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Can’t get any worse? Our kids missed 3 months of school, there is anger over the LC results this month, your strike will mean our kids are off again and parents will have to take time off work because to look after kids because grand parents aren’t there to help out, you think public sentiment can’t get any worse? Are you serious?

    I'm much much more concerned about my health than public sentiment I can assure you.

    Sentiment won't make me sick but Covid might.


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    #169
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Can’t get any worse? Our kids missed 3 months of school, there is anger over the LC results this month, your strike will mean our kids are off again and parents will have to take time off work to look after kids because grand parents aren’t there to help out, you think public sentiment can’t get any worse? Are you serious?
    You're seeing now how the strike would work. Good. If the government could only figure it out like you have they might ensure safer school environments to avoid the strike action. That would be the entire point.


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    #170
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Can’t get any worse? Our kids missed 3 months of school, there is anger over the LC results this month, your strike will mean our kids are off again and parents will have to take time off work to look after kids because grand parents aren’t there to help out, you think public sentiment can’t get any worse? Are you serious?

    Public sentiment doesn't matter a damn.

    As far as I'm aware, every strike in the last 5 years has resulted in some concessions.
    Remember the LUAS drivers in 2016? Striked during the 1916 commemoration, threatened to strike during the leaving cert. Massive public backlash and they still won more pay and better conditions.
    Dav010 wrote: »
    The arrogance and lack of awareness for what others are facing right now is truly nauseating.
    Exactly what professional challenges are others facing that are worse than clear breaches of NPHET guidelines that may threaten public health?


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    #171
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Dav010 wrote: »
    The arrogance and lack of awareness for what others are facing right now is truly nauseating.

    Oh go away. Others? You think everyone in my family are teachers?

    Others as you call them are 99% of the people in my family and friends.


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    #172
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    I guess it will depend who the politicians want to appease most. The majority or the minority.

    Especially if it opens the flood gates to other public sector unions.

    Boards certainly doesn't reflect the majority of people. Increasing less so in recent years.


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    #173
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Blondini wrote: »
    I'm much much more concerned about my health than public sentiment I can assure you.

    Sentiment won't make me sick but Covid might.

    You think you have the monopoly on concern for health? Every worker does right now, but we are getting on with it.

    If most people don’t go back to work due to Covid, they sign up for PUP if they are eligible and risk losing their job. But what you are doing will effect hundreds of thousands of students and their parents.


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    #174
    Polka_Dot
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Polka_Dot


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Can’t get any worse? Our kids missed 3 months of school, there is anger over the LC results this month, your strike will mean our kids are off again and parents will have to take time off work to look after kids because grand parents aren’t there to help out, you think public sentiment can’t get any worse? Are you serious?

    None of which was the fault of teachers. Most of us did our best with online learning. Students and a vocal minority lobbied for calculated grades. We don't want to be in a position where students miss more school and have the same things happen again, but with the inadequate provisions at the moment, that is how it is heading. The disruption a strike causes will be nothing compared to if we have massive school shutdowns.


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    #175
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Public sentiment doesn't matter a damn.

    As far as I'm aware, every strike in the last 5 years has resulted in some concessions.
    Remember the LUAS drivers in 2016? Striked during the 1916 commemoration, threatened to strike during the leaving cert. Massive public backlash and they still won more pay and better conditions.


    Exactly what professional challenges are others facing that are worse than clear breaches of NPHET guidelines that may threaten public health?

    None of them were striking in the middle of a pandemic which has had a catastrophic effect on our economy/employment and effected children’s education to such an extent.

    This time the risk is that the massive backlash will be against teachers.


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    #176
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Dav010 wrote: »
    You think you have the monopoly on concern for health? Every worker does right now, but we are getting on with it.

    If most people don’t go back to work due to Covid, they sign up for PUP if they are eligible and risk losing their job. But what you are doing will effect hundreds of thousands of students and their parents.

    We don't mind going on pup. That's fine. That's not the threat you think it is when we are talking about safety conditions for your kids!


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    #177
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Dav010 wrote: »
    None of them were striking in the middle of a pandemic which has had a catastrophic effect on our economy/employment and effected children’s education to such an extent.

    This time the risk is that the massive backlash will be against teachers.

    What backlash? You only have to read any teacher thread, the vast vast majority of commenters who disagree with us just hate teachers full stop. I can point them out for you if you want.what would the back lash be? They stop sending kids to school? Education isn't made an election priority?


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    #178
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    What backlash? You only have to read any teacher thread, the vast vast majority of commenters who disagree with us just hate teachers full stop. I can point them out for you if you want.what would the back lash be? They stop sending kids to school? Education isn't made an election priority?

    If you look at housing. The solution was to commercialise it, outsource it.
    Ignore everyone who falls between the gaps. Unless it got votes.


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    #179
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Dav010 wrote: »
    None of them were striking in the middle of a pandemic which has had a catastrophic effect on our economy/employment and effected children’s education to such an extent.

    This time the risk is that the massive backlash will be against teachers.

    So would you prefer that there are inadequate safety precautions implemented in schools? Because that's how it is right now. So in the coming months if a lot of teachers contract the virus schools will shut anyway, because there won't be enough subs to replace them. There isn't as it is.

    You seem to want to ignore the core issue just to bash teachers.


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    #180
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Dav010 wrote: »
    This time the risk is that the massive backlash will be against teachers.
    What are the public going to do, force school staff into dangerous working conditions during a pandemic? I honestly think you might not understand the topic.


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    #181
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    So would you prefer that there are inadequate safety precautions implemented in schools? Because that's how it is right now. So in the coming months if a lot of teachers contract the virus schools will shut anyway, because there won't be enough subs to replace them. There isn't as it is.

    You seem to want to ignore the core issue just to bash teachers.

    Robot teachers. That's what we need.


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