Waterford GAA Thread - Mod note post #1

Tiger Roll

Gary Gurney wrote:

How is it good exactly can you tell me? No issue with starting 15 but God help us tonight there's fellas on the subs bench there that would barley make a good senior club team.

While the bench isn't that strong, who do you think should be on it ? There are a few injuries

tommylad1212

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Hardly a shock Fagan is starting in fairness, surprised to see Dillon alright. Wouldn't fancy him midfield at all, might switch with K Bennett

Dillon has been showing very well in training and challenge matches

carter10

Jesus, going back to fellas who weren't up to it 5 years ago!

mountgomery burns

Team isn't world's a part from that which beat Cork in 2017, nor will Corks be:

WATERFORD: Stephen O’Keeffe; Shane Fives, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors; Kieran Bennett, Philip Mahony, Conor Gleeson; Jamie Barron, Kevin Moran; Michael Walsh, Pauric Mahony, Austin Gleeson; Shane Bennett, Jake Dillon, Darragh Fives


CORK: Anthony Nash; Stephen McDonnell, Damien Cahalane, Colm Spillane; Christopher Joyce, Mark Ellis, Mark Coleman; Bill Cooper, Darragh Fitzgibbon; Seamus Harnedy, Conor Lehane, Shane Kingston; Alan Cadogan, Patrick Horgan, Luke Meade

conor05

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Hardly a shock Fagan is starting in fairness, surprised to see Dillon alright. Wouldn't fancy him midfield at all, might switch with K Bennett

I rate Fagan, great paw and well able to score. Great attitude.


Dillon has been tried and tested alright but Cahill wouldn't pick a lad who wasn't producing the goods in challenge matches and training.

Cahill seems to have his teams fired up, so lets hope Cork get hit like a train Saturday.

PF28

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Team isn't world's a part from that which beat Cork in 2017, nor will Corks be:

WATERFORD: Stephen O’Keeffe; Shane Fives, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors; Kieran Bennett, Philip Mahony, Conor Gleeson; Jamie Barron, Kevin Moran; Michael Walsh, Pauric Mahony, Austin Gleeson; Shane Bennett, Jake Dillon, Darragh Fives


CORK: Anthony Nash; Stephen McDonnell, Damien Cahalane, Colm Spillane; Christopher Joyce, Mark Ellis, Mark Coleman; Bill Cooper, Darragh Fitzgibbon; Seamus Harnedy, Conor Lehane, Shane Kingston; Alan Cadogan, Patrick Horgan, Luke Meade

With more than 50% of a change from 2017 team I would more suggest it is worlds apart.
I'm predicting cork will have fewer changes.

PF28

PTH2009 wrote: »

Decent team on paper a bit of a shock with Jake Dillion and Jack Fagan starting. Good to see Dessie Hutch start

Bench is a little weak but a few good options like Curran, Darragh Lyons

Overall a few new names in the squad which is good

Roll on Saturday

Jack Fagan is not a shock at all. He's played every game under Cahill. And he's performed. And who else is there to start in place of him.

mountgomery burns

PF28 wrote: »

With more than 50% of a change from 2017 team I would more suggest it is worlds apart.
I'm predicting cork will have fewer changes.

I mean more in terms of how they stack up to them to be honest.

Loss of two Mahonys, C Gleeson, Brick, Shane Bennett and D Fives sure

Sub in Tadhg Bourke, Prunty, Hutchison, Stephen Bennett, Calum Lyons it doesn't look too bad at all to me.

And Jack Prender + Jack Fagan haven't had enough game time to make a judgement one way or another I would say, deserve the benefit of managements judgement.

Bench probably does look a bit light but I wouldn't be too downbeat about this. It's not gonna happen overnight but they can start the march towards turning the ship around.

PF28

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I mean more in terms of how they stack up to them to be honest.

Loss of two Mahonys, C Gleeson, Brick, Shane Bennett and D Fives sure

Sub in Tadhg Bourke, Prunty, Hutchison, Stephen Bennett, Calum Lyons it doesn't look too bad at all to me.

And Jack Prender + Jack Fagan haven't had enough game time to make a judgement one way or another I would say, deserve the benefit of managements judgement.

Bench probably does look a bit light but I wouldn't be too downbeat about this. It's not gonna happen overnight but they can start the march towards turning the ship around.

Very good point yes. Pity about the bench though. I would imagine comparing 2020 bench to 2017 bench would weigh heavily in favour of 2017.
On another note, Daragh Fives has to be the unluckiest longest serving intercounty player by now. He had even been playing in all the recent challenge games.
Anyone have any idea what the injury (presuming it is injury) is this time or is it the usual calf?

PTH2009

Must be some sort of record

Dessie Hutchinson played Championship soccer with Waterford FC, Championship football with Waterford and now championship Hurling

Some going for the guy

Deskjockey

Given Ballygunner's absolute dominance of the club championship over the past few years, is it a bit surprising that their representation on the team/panel is so low, even accounting for the injuries (and Philip Mahoney retiring from IC Hurling)? One outfield starter?

PTH2009

Deskjockey wrote: »

Given Ballygunner's absolute dominance of the club championship over the past few years, is it a bit surprising that their representation on the team/panel is so low, even accounting for the injuries (and Philip Mahoney retiring from IC Hurling)? One outfield starter?

Yeah a bit surprising, Connor Sheahan and Peter Hogan in the panel but didn't make the 26. Ian Kenny on the bench

Mastermcgrath

Deskjockey wrote: »

Given Ballygunner's absolute dominance of the club championship over the past few years, is it a bit surprising that their representation on the team/panel is so low, even accounting for the injuries (and Philip Mahoney retiring from IC Hurling)? One outfield starter?

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Not really, they are a fantastic team and panel, full of lads that have played minor and U21 for the county, but not necessarily full of star individuals. Outside of The Mahonys, Dessie Hutch and SOK there’s not really anyone else you’d put into the co senior team

Jjjjjjjjbarry

mountgomery burns wrote: »

And Jack Prender + Jack Fagan haven't had enough game time to make a judgement one way or another I would say, deserve the benefit of managements judgement.

Jack Prendergast (along with Prunty and Callum Lyons) was one of our best players last year. Most people have probably deleted last year from their memory though

Pogue eile

Gary Gurney wrote: »

How is it good exactly can you tell me? No issue with starting 15 but God help us tonight there's fellas on the subs bench there that would barley make a good senior club team.

Seeing new names all well and good but they have to be up to the standard required. This isn't national league at the weekend it's championship hurling. Serious question marks have to asked of the management team as to how we are into championship now and this is the depth of our panel.. looking at the list of substitutes available to us at the weekend I would say it's much easier to name a full set of subs that are not on the panel for one reason or the other that would be far better options for the game at the weekend.

What questions would they be?

Genuinely intrigued as to what you think Cahill et al could have done? Find a vaccine for COVID? Clone a few players? Cure all injuries and create ever lasting youth for those wanting to retire??

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Who do you all think we're missing that could have been considered to be on the team/bench?

Apart from Maurice and Connors,

Mahony (injured)
Conor Gleeson (injured)
Darragh Fives (injured)

Iarlaith Daly?
Michael Kiely?
Peter Hogan?
Conor Sheehan?
Stephen Roche?



Retired?
Philip Mahony
Shane Bennett
Tommy Ryan


It's so long since we've had a competitive match, I'm going blank but feel there's a few names missing?

TheScoringGoal

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Who do you all think we're missing that could have been considered to be on the team/bench?

Apart from Maurice and Connors,

Mahony (injured)
Conor Gleeson (injured)
Darragh Fives (injured)

Iarlaith Daly?
Michael Kiely?
Peter Hogan?
Conor Sheehan?
Stephen Roche?



Retired?
Philip Mahony
Shane Bennett
Tommy Ryan


It's so long since we've had a competitive match, I'm going blank but feel there's a few names missing?

I'd have Paddy Leavy ahead of at least three players on that bench. I'm assuming that DJ Foran and Colm Roche are both injured as well. Even though I don't think he's ever been involved at senior level for the hurling team I'd suggest Mark Ferncombe would even offer more than some on that bench would.

Limestone1

Where is Colin Dunford these days ?

Jjjjjjjjbarry

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

I'd have Paddy Leavy ahead of at least three players on that bench. I'm assuming that DJ Foran and Colm Roche are both injured as well. Even though I don't think he's ever been involved at senior level for the hurling team I'd suggest Mark Ferncombe would even offer more than some on that bench would.

Yeah Paddy Leavy was really good this year actually. Didn't impress me as a Waterford minor (remember his goose step free taking?!!) Possibly a bit light for intercounty physicality yet maybe but one to watch.

carter10

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

I'd have Paddy Leavy ahead of at least three players on that bench. I'm assuming that DJ Foran and Colm Roche are both injured as well. Even though I don't think he's ever been involved at senior level for the hurling team I'd suggest Mark Ferncombe would even offer more than some on that bench would.

Agree re Paddy Leavy- really surprised he's not on the panel let alone the team. Really intelligent player whos link play would definitely benefit the team. Considering the possession/movement game most teams are trying to play now i'd have thought he would have been one of the first names on the list.

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Right lads, are we going to win tomorrow?
I really hope we do and believe we can if our big players perform but my head is saying we're going to lose.
Hope the heart is right though!

Pogue eile

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Right lads, are we going to win tomorrow?
I really hope we do and believe we can if our big players perform but my head is saying we're going to lose.
Hope the heart is right though!

As a neutral I think Waterford have a great chance to be honest, the forecast is brutal which will also help, don't think there is as much between the teams as the bookies would have you think, Liam Cahill teams will not want for effort and work rate or he simply wont tolerate them and for me that could be the difference.

Ian OB

Re watching tomorrows match.

I have a NowTV dongle for the telly. As I'm working tomorrow afternoon, if I buy the Sky Sports package is it possible to watch it back on the Sunday?

Haven't had occasion to buy anything other than the movie package from them until now. Apologies if the query is on the dumb side.

JeffKenna

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Right lads, are we going to win tomorrow?
I really hope we do and believe we can if our big players perform but my head is saying we're going to lose.
Hope the heart is right though!

I'm going to put myself out there and say yes.

tommylad1212

Limestone1 wrote: »

Where is Colin Dunford these days ?

Didn't make the match day squad along with hogan

PTH2009

upthedeise16

PTH2009 wrote: »

That’s a strong team, I give them a fair chance of turning over Limerick

PTH2009

upthedeise16 wrote: »

That’s a strong team, I give them a fair chance of turning over Limerick

yeah they have no fear going into the game tomorrow night

Winners play Clare or Tipp in the semi finals, with the other semi been Cork vs Kerry

mountgomery burns

Sounds like there will be a gale tomorrow

Mastermcgrath

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Right lads, are we going to win tomorrow?
I really hope we do and believe we can if our big players perform but my head is saying we're going to lose.
Hope the heart is right though!

Looking at the starting team, particularly the 6 forwards, Im asking where are the scores going to come from? 2 of the half forward line are backs, Fagan is a mainly a workhorse and 2 of the full forward line are untested at this level.

upthedeise16

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Looking at the starting team, particularly the 6 forwards, Im asking where are the scores going to come from? 2 of the half forward line are backs, Fagan is a mainly a workhorse and 2 of the full forward line are untested at this level.

I think Gleeson will move to the half forward line to add scoring power. We need himself, Fagan, Kieran Bennett and Prendergast to chip in with a few scores and good ball supplied to Bennett and Hutchison as they have potential to do damage inside.

At midfield, Barron has the potential to hit a few from play and even ghost into goal scoring positions. Himself and Dillon are good distributors so hopefully will get on the required ball to feed our forwards.

PTH2009

Feels so odd not be gearing up for the trip to Thurles

Hopefully we see a very different Waterford team too the last championship one. Cahill strikes me as a person who doesn't take **** or any half arsing

Great to have something to look forward too

Mastermcgrath

upthedeise16 wrote: »

I think Gleeson will move to the half forward line to add scoring power. We need himself, Fagan, Kieran Bennett and Prendergast to chip in with a few scores and good ball supplied to Bennett and Hutchison as they have potential to do damage inside.

At midfield, Barron has the potential to hit a few from play and even ghost into goal scoring positions. Himself and Dillon are good distributors so hopefully will get on the required ball to feed our forwards.

Agree, makes much more sense to have Gleeson in the forwards given how bottom heavy we are with backs vs quality scoring forwards. Maybe it’s a ploy by Cahill to throw the Cork mgt team off. If last weekend is any precedent, the losing sides were hitting 23 or 24 points. It seems you need to be hitting over 30 points on the board to stand a chance in this championship.

mountgomery burns

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Agree, makes much more sense to have Gleeson in the forwards given how bottom heavy we are with backs vs quality scoring forwards. Maybe it’s a ploy by Cahill to throw the Cork mgt team off. If last weekend is any precedent, the losing sides were hitting 23 or 24 points. It seems you need to be hitting over 30 points on the board to stand a chance in this championship.

Conditions were perfect last weekend though, won't be so tomorrow

upthedeise16

Cork Team:
Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Damien Cahalane (St Finbarrs)
Colm Spillane (Castlelyons)
Sean O’ Donoghue (Inniscarra)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Robert Downey (Glen Rovers)
Mark Coleman (Blarney)
Bill Cooper (Youghal)
Tim O’ Mahony (Newtownshandrum)
Seamus Harnedy (St Itas)
Conor Lehane (Midleton)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
Shane Kingston (Douglas)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

PTH2009

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Cork Team:
Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Damien Cahalane (St Finbarrs)
Colm Spillane (Castlelyons)
Sean O’ Donoghue (Inniscarra)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Robert Downey (Glen Rovers)
Mark Coleman (Blarney)
Bill Cooper (Youghal)
Tim O’ Mahony (Newtownshandrum)
Seamus Harnedy (St Itas)
Conor Lehane (Midleton)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
Shane Kingston (Douglas)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Strong team

thesultan

Weak team.. Back line very suspect. If we keep Horgan quiet we will win

upthedeise16

PTH2009 wrote: »

Strong team

It’s like Kingston just picked the same team from last year. Similarly, Wexford are starting the same team as their semi-final last year but that’s irrelevant.

That full back line can be got at, there’s weakness there that can be exploited. Downey isn’t proven at this level either and had struggles last year, mainly at full back. Christopher Joyce has been inconsistent and on and off the team. Tim O’Mahony has gone from centre back to centre forward and now midfield and hasn’t been exceptional in any of the positions.

It’s upfront where they are strongest but some of those picked blow hot and cold. Lehane can shoot the lights out or be contained, Walsh has had more bad than good days with the hurlers but the 4 others have potential to cause our backs problems. Harnedy can win ball, draw defenders and score. Cadogan and Kingston has pace to burn and the ability to score goals and points and Horgan is just a scoring machine, a class act. Match ups will be key but I would probably go with Prunty on Horgan, McNulty on Cadogan, Fives on Kingston in the full back line.

Dont Stop

They have very good forwards but we an excellent backline. So can we get at them at the other end!?! Certainly hope so.

Billy Ocean

PTH2009 wrote: »

Must be some sort of record

Dessie Hutchinson played Championship soccer with Waterford FC, Championship football with Waterford and now championship Hurling

Some going for the guy

Lee Chin has done the same with 3 Wexford teams

conor05

upthedeise16 wrote: »

It’s like Kingston just picked the same team from last year. Similarly, Wexford are starting the same team as their semi-final last year but that’s irrelevant.

That full back line can be got at, there’s weakness there that can be exploited. Downey isn’t proven at this level either and had struggles last year, mainly at full back. Christopher Joyce has been inconsistent and on and off the team. Tim O’Mahony has gone from centre back to centre forward and now midfield and hasn’t been exceptional in any of the positions.

It’s upfront where they are strongest but some of those picked blow hot and cold. Lehane can shoot the lights out or be contained, Walsh has had more bad than good days with the hurlers but the 4 others have potential to cause our backs problems. Harnedy can win ball, draw defenders and score. Cadogan and Kingston has pace to burn and the ability to score goals and points and Horgan is just a scoring machine, a class act. Match ups will be key but I would probably go with Prunty on Horgan, McNulty on Cadogan, Fives on Kingston in the full back line.

All of that Wexford team from 1-20 play to a very finely tuned system so he does tend to start the same 15. That systems seems to be motoring even better this year if training can be believed.

Cork are different, it seems it’s nearly harder to get off the team than on it for some lads.

Straight away I am seeing 3 Cork forwards who won’t work or tackle without the ball tomorrow.

They rely on Horgan causing wreck backed up by Cadogan and Harnedy.

Joyce while tough as nails has no pace for wing back and Cahalane is prone to brainless hurling even though he has improved a bit in that regard.

Giveitfong

Ian OB wrote: »

Re watching tomorrows match.

I have a NowTV dongle for the telly. As I'm working tomorrow afternoon, if I buy the Sky Sports package is it possible to watch it back on the Sunday?

Haven't had occasion to buy anything other than the movie package from them until now. Apologies if the query is on the dumb side.

If it's any help, Sky Sports Mix is on both the general Sky TV service (you don't need the Sky Sports Package) and Virgin Media TV. You can record the channel on either of these services. I don't know if it will be reshown on the Sky Sports Package - can you look their channels up on https://entertainment.ie to check this?

ovalu

Our bench looks very weak, is Colm Roche on the panel?

Waternut

Someone asked earlier but does anyone know why Iarlaith Daly, Sheehan and Hogan are not on the bench? Are they injured or dropped? And I assume Darragh Fives is injured again??

tommylad1212

Waternut wrote: »

Someone asked earlier but does anyone know why Iarlaith Daly, Sheehan and Hogan are not on the bench? Are they injured or dropped? And I assume Darragh Fives is injured again??

Daly,fives inj, Hogan not in match day squad ,

Giveitfong

The last time there was a blue moon in October (as there is this year) was in 1974. Guess who Waterford beat in the senior hurling championship in 1974? Just saying, like... And it is Halloween (time for pishoges and magic).

Mastermcgrath

Giveitfong wrote: »

The last time there was a blue moon in October (as there is this year) was in 1974. Guess who Waterford beat in the senior hurling championship in 1974? Just saying, like... And it is Halloween (time for pishoges and magic).

I wouldn’t even say your clutching at straws there... tbf I can imagine there’s an eerie feeling in Thurles today. Empty streets and closed pubs on Munster championship day

PTH2009

Up the deise

Best of luck to the hurlers and footballers

Jjjjjjjjbarry

Football on sky sports mix gone to extra time. Feck it anyway.

IanVW

I've been trying the red button on sky sports mix on now TV but it doesn't seem to work. They said waterford v Cork coverage starting now