Government to discuss right to protest

paw patrol

Infini wrote: »

The best way to tackle this is first not to outright remove the right to protest but to tackle the actual problem group: The Ratlicker Conspiracy Peddlers and Organisers of these groups.

There was 2 protests, One involved social distancing and masks and adhering to health guidelines, these are the ones that should be left alone.

The other involved bullshìt peddlers, lies and blatantly ignoring advice and the safety of others in pursuit of an agenda of delusion and deception. This is the one that needs to be targeted, fine and charge the organisers of these and not those who have real grievances like the Debenhams workers.

ban the protests you deem unworthy...:pac:

excludedbin

suicide_circus wrote: »

That person has #righttoprotest in their twitter bio

Well yeah, right to protest, not to form a mob to attack people.

sabat wrote: »

There's convincing evidence all over Twitter that that person used some kind of artificial blood pouch then doubled down when they were caught by injuring themselves later.

keano_afc wrote: »

Saw that, certainly does look like a self inflicted wound. That particular person has been very vocal on social media about punching "fascists". Looks like they found the trouble they were after and couldnt handle it.

Shockin'. The far right attack someone and, right on cue, the usuals are crying false flag. Funny how the "convincing evidence" never materialises or is nothing more than some randomer claiming they're somehow familiar with self inflicted wounds or some ****e.

Anything at all to avoid condemning your compatriots, eh?

WAW

I prefer to live in a country with a democratic right to protest whether I agree or disagree with the protestors.
It's very dangerous and hugely depressing for people to be calling on curbing the right to freedom of assembly and association.
For those giving off about the anti mask demos and public health. The whole point is that these people disagree that Covid is the threat it's purported to be therefore their protest is in their view not a threat to public health. More and more are moving to that view.
Regardless, let the people demonstrate.

Jimmy McGill

If they ban protests the number of people on the streets will increase exponentially it's as simple as that. It would be such a stupid move.

Mr. Karate

But remember folks. Trump is the real tyrant and dictator.

You're all getting a great lesson on why many Americans fight for their guns right. It can be summed up in one sentence.

"The 2nd protects the 1st."

dan1895

paw patrol wrote: »

ban the protests you deem unworthy...:pac:

You'd find more worthiness in a piece of dog **** on the pavement than in that rabble of tin foil hat wearing ratlickers.

suicide_circus

excludedbin wrote: »

Well yeah, right to protest, not to form a mob to attack people.

Yeah but it was mostly peaceful

Mr. Karate

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah but it was mostly peaceful

Fiery, but mostly peaceful.

ELM327

I abhor those idiots and their message, the protestors.
But you cannot unilaterally remove the right to free speech and free assembly. The government serves the people not the other way round.

The Tetrarch

Do the protesters think they will enlighten the Government who will then cancel all Covid-19 restrictions?
929,000 deaths worldwide and the protesters want no restrictions here.
Perhaps it makes sense to them if they reason they do not have Covid therefore it not a problem.
That is a bit like standing in the middle of a busy road, closing your eyes, and saying there is no traffic.

excludedbin

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah but it was mostly peaceful

Oh wow what a le epic meme XD haven't heard that one before!

Funny how one side is expected to condemn violence while the other can just meme it off. Sorry you think someone being targeted because of their sexuality by far right thugs is so funny.

hynesie08

excludedbin wrote: »

Well yeah, right to protest, not to form a mob to attack people.




Shockin'. The far right attack someone and, right on cue, the usuals are crying false flag. Funny how the "convincing evidence" never materialises or is nothing more than some randomer claiming they're somehow familiar with self inflicted wounds or some ****e.

Anything at all to avoid condemning your compatriots, eh?

The false flag was the tricolor wrapped around a 2x4

suicide_circus

excludedbin wrote: »

Sorry you think someone being targeted because of their sexuality by far right thugs is so funny.

I dont, hope she's ok. Just couldn't resist a chance to poke fun at the absurdity of the "mostly peaceful" trope we see in relation to other current protests.

sabat

excludedbin wrote: »

Well yeah, right to protest, not to form a mob to attack people.


Shockin'. The far right attack someone and, right on cue, the usuals are crying false flag. Funny how the "convincing evidence" never materialises or is nothing more than some randomer claiming they're somehow familiar with self inflicted wounds or some ****e.

Anything at all to avoid condemning your compatriots, eh?

The evidence that convinced me was this video from around the 23 second mark, so voila:

https://twitter.com/BaronStrucker/status/1304832503119839232

excludedbin

suicide_circus wrote: »

I dont, hope she's ok.

I'm sure you do.

Just couldn't resist a chance to poke fun at the absurdity of the "mostly peaceful" trope we see in relation to other current protests.

In the US. Not really seeing what relevance it has to a far right mob attacking someone in Ireland, though. Shouldn't it be possible to, oh I don't know, just condemn that without trying to divert attention to an unrelated issue?

Seems to be the done thing whenever anyone brings up the violent thugs that make up the far right; try to drag the subject away to literally anything else. Or claim 'the term has lost all meaning' which I'm sure we'll be seeing shortly. Anything, anything else to avoid condemning it.

excludedbin

sabat wrote: »

The evidence that convinced me was this video from around the 23 second mark, so voila:

https://twitter.com/BaronStrucker/status/1304832503119839232

sabat wrote: »

There's convincing evidence all over Twitter that that person used some kind of artificial blood pouch then doubled down when they were caught by injuring themselves later.

That's what you said. Where's the "artificial blood pouch"? Where's the evidence that they were "injuring themselves"?

EDIT: In fact, the video just shows her already injured. I have no idea what you think that's meant to prove but please, in future, try just a bit harder.

suicide_circus

It goes without saying that all right thinking people condemn violence. Events elsewhere in the world influence events in Ireland and perhaps the mostly peaceful protests in the US which have been plastered over our screens for the last 100+ days may be a source of inspiration to the more simple minded here.

Graham

biko wrote: »

The freedom of assembly is in the constitution, hence the politicians can discuss it, but they cannot change anything.

Freedom of assembly does not appear to be unconditional

The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality: –

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ii The right of the citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms.

Provision may be made by law to prevent or control meetings which are determined in accordance with law to be calculated to cause a breach of the peace or to be a danger or nuisance to the general public and to prevent or control meetings in the vicinity of either House of the Oireachtas.

40.6.1.ii

Infini

paw patrol wrote: »

ban the protests you deem unworthy...:pac:

Why should those who deny reality and perpetuate the spread of a potent and lethal virus be allowed to so without consequence? The Majority of protest's usually have a genuine concern or issue of actual importance or concern. They also have at least tried or mads sure to adhere to health advice because they dont wish harm to society or others but only to highlight issues.

What do these have? Lies, Conspiracies, deception, lack of any logic or reason. They deny reality and threaten others, shout "Pedo" in a pathetic drive to silence others who blow holes in their argument, they're thick idiots at best and lowlife agressive hooligans at worst, they're not protestors but out to cause harm.

Real prostestors have genuine causes. These dont and never will they're a disgrace and an insult to all those who have sacrificed, lost loved ones this year and suffered but these ratlickers outright want to ignore all advice and sense because they're drunk on conspiracies and lies. All they're doing is abusing the right to protest for their own selfish egos.

OneEightSeven

Plenty of people weren't wearing masks for the BLM protests in early June and there wasn't surge in cases. If the government ban protesting, it's going to backfire.

sabat

excludedbin wrote: »

That's what you said. Where's the "artificial blood pouch"? Where's the evidence that they were "injuring themselves"?

EDIT: In fact, the video just shows her already injured. I have no idea what you think that's meant to prove but please, in future, try just a bit harder.

Here's a still from the video:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeRoche17/status/1305108019798315009
It could hardly be more obvious.

Graham

sabat wrote: »

It could hardly be more obvious.

If unknown George has tweeted it, it must be true.

Infini

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Plenty of people weren't wearing masks for the BLM protests in early June and there wasn't surge in cases. If the government ban protesting, it's going to backfire.

To be fair covid was fairly supressed thanks to the lockdown even though it was a fear that it would cause a spike, these are now happening at a time cases are RISING tho.

excludedbin

sabat wrote: »

Here's a still from the video:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeRoche17/status/1305108019798315009
It could hardly be more obvious.

Yes, what's "stuck out of her head" is very obviously a flap of skin. From the equally obvious gash below it that's been helpfully circled so you can't miss it.

I know some here just have to deny, deny, deny that our far right thugs are incapable of violence but when the evidence is staring you right in the face, you'll have to excuse the rest of us for not believing you.

Jesus, c'mon now, if that's really the best you have then you may as well just stop. All you're doing is building up more evidence against your own claims.

sabat

Graham wrote: »

If unknown George has tweeted it, it must be true.

1. Say that you saw some convincing evidence

Response: This "evidence" never materialises.

2. Produce said evidence.

Response: I can't see any "blood pouch"

3. Produce a still clearly showing said blood pouch.

Response: Yeah well, who's that guy anyway?

Graham

Sorry Sabat, I wouldn't class unknown George's interpretation of a photo as evidence of anything.

excludedbin

Oh and as to George's claim that the "Gardaí have confirmed that no incidents took place yesterday.": https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-investigate-assault-dublin-5203692-Sep2020 So maybe take his word with a ****ing mine of salt.

excludedbin

sabat wrote: »

1. Say that you saw some convincing evidence

Response: This "evidence" never materialises.

2. Produce said evidence.

Response: I can't see any "blood pouch"

3. Produce a still clearly showing said blood pouch.

Response: Yeah well, who's that guy anyway?

Except you haven't produced a still showing a blood pouch.

dan1895

https://twitter.com/IzzyKamikaze/status/1305180241409777667?s=19

Sure looks like a blood pouch alright.

Clarence Boddiker

Just a few weeks ago Michael Martin was saying "The rights of people to protest must be respected" when talking about Belarus.