All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

Dohnjoe
"Cool, intelligence agencies are running what exactly? be specific.. "

I am just going by what the article says, that the spooks are running the Covid-19 operation:

"Downing Street has appointed a senior spy to lead the UK’s joint biosecurity centre, which will monitor the spread of coronavirus across the country and suppress new outbreaks.

Clare Gardiner, head of cyber resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre — a branch of signals intelligence agency GCHQ — will become the centre’s first director-general, responsible for advising ministers on the “alert level” for the virus; which is similar to assessing the terror threat.
...
The decision to put a security official in charge is likely to cause consternation among public health experts, who have questioned whether the template of a terror analysis centre is appropriate for managing a viral pandemic. Tom Hurd, head of counter-terrorism at the Home Office, was seconded to help set up the centre last month, but is now back in his permanent role.
...
A small number of personnel from GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham have already been seconded to help the centre develop its data analytics capabilities, a Whitehall official said."
( https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .)

King Mob

brianhere wrote: »

I don't have a religious belief about these topics as such, I am a Catholic though if thats any help

Kaelyn Itchy License believes that there is a plot to implant everyone with microchips and that this is the mark of the beast predicted in the Bible.

Do you share this belief?

brianhere wrote: »

I do feel passionately that I, and other citizens, should be allowed to breathe freely the air of Ireland and travel around and worship etc and certainly not cower in a virtual prison because of the flu.

Lol. This is very silly and hyperbolic nonsense.

Since you do feel so passionately about it, what action are you taking about it?

Dionaibh

I hear Mr Gates has said life can go back to normal only when second generation vaccines are widely available. So it could be years. And people still think this tyranny is about a virus.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

And people still think this tyranny is about a virus.

Lol tyranny...

Again this is more empty hyperbole that you cannot defend or substantiate.
It's more like you are making this proclaimations to sound like a brave resistance fighter.

So remind us why you aren't reading that book?
Too scary?
What are you doing to fight back against this tyranny besides watching YouTube and not reading books?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Maybe you'll go to your doctor and get a Covid shot, or maybe you'll also get an invisible secret "mark" to track you^, whichyou've* literally suggested is going to be the case.

^ Nothing secret about the QDT, considered for the final candidate vaccine.
https://news.rice.edu/2019/12/18/quantum-dot-tattoos-hold-vaccination-record/

^ Not a tracking device, also not a 'chip±' (as some here knowingly falsely claim), but a simple scanable static (±non-processing) digital identifier, very similar to a passive QRCode, but better - no problem if you forget your phone, have low battery, no App. This embodiment (even v1 at 16kb), is far more persistant.

* Bill Gates (has suggested):

“Eventually we will have some 'digital certificates' to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.”

FYI: is the chap whom funded MIT to discover and produce the best of class Digital Immunity Certification to compliment any (final) vaccine rollout to 8bn folks.
The world's #1 Uni, and perhaps the best medi-nano-tech team in the world, on the back of Gates millions of $$$, proposed only the QDT as the best solution.

Quantum dots are small, semiconducting nanoparticles, in the range of 2 to 10 nanometers. The tags are incorporated in a Band-Aid-like “tattoo” composed of sugar-based microneedles that dissolve into the skin, are conductive and fluoresce their unique patterns, under any UV/IRed light exposure.

This is also the most practical and efficent method to deploy 8bn doses at the end of 2021. It likely won't even need refrigeration, perfect for the sub-sahara. It also fulfills ID2020's aim of vaccine (GAVI) based ID creation perfectly.

King Mob

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Not a tracking device, also not a 'chip±' (as some here knowingly falsely claim),

Weird how you always rush to correct this, but not about the operative part of why your theory is silly nonsense.
That being that you believe that the chip or tattoo or whatever it will be next time is the mark of the beast predicted by the Bible.

What we're pointing to is that your theory and your bizzare interpretations all stem from you fringe religious belief.

Saying it's a "quantum dot tattoo and not a microchip" doesn't make your theory less religiously base or any less ridiculous.

Also the fact that you keep jumping on people to correct them about that minor detail, yet not about your religious belief combined with your continued refusal to state your position about it shows your dishonesty.

So yea, you believe that there is a plot to microchip/tattoo/barcode everyone and that this plot was predicted accurately through supernatural revelation in the Bible.

Dohnjoe

brianhere wrote: »

I am just going by what the article says, that the spooks are running the Covid-19 operation:

"Downing Street has appointed a senior spy to lead the UK’s joint biosecurity centre, which will monitor the spread of coronavirus across the country and suppress new outbreaks.

Clare Gardiner, head of cyber resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre — a branch of signals intelligence agency GCHQ — will become the centre’s first director-general, responsible for advising ministers on the “alert level” for the virus; which is similar to assessing the terror threat.
...
The decision to put a security official in charge is likely to cause consternation among public health experts, who have questioned whether the template of a terror analysis centre is appropriate for managing a viral pandemic. Tom Hurd, head of counter-terrorism at the Home Office, was seconded to help set up the centre last month, but is now back in his permanent role.
...
A small number of personnel from GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham have already been seconded to help the centre develop its data analytics capabilities, a Whitehall official said."
( https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .)

Security people are being hired to run a security centre. The clue is in the name: "biosecurity".

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

^ Nothing

Here's you suggesting we are going to be "watched" by streetlamps, and that we'll be marked with secret "tattoo's"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114675669&postcount=954

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's you suggesting we are going to be "watched" by streetlamps

Well....what you actually mean (due to technical ignorance), is the replicaiton of the Chinese model of highly efficent SmartLampPosts (yes, the type often cut down by civil rights protesters in HK with angle grinders).

Of course the 'Smart Cities' concept is nothing new (currently experiencing global hyper-gowth)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/this-is-how-we-secure-smart-cities

These multi-functional smart posts are the centre peice, a pre-requirement for the self-driving transport.

They will host a huge variety of sensors, IOT, lightning fast data points upon cloud archtecture, and a plethora of high zoom, (ai)cameras (including infrared {QDT} spectroscopy) scaning capability (and more), are all given.

Of course the WEF recommends the acceleration of such 'InfraTech' ecosystems, and require civic participation (compliance) for all new modals of Urban Innovation.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/5-ways-speed-up-creation-smart-cities/

Cities should adopt 'Smart Urbanisation' https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LiPhEAK?tab=publications
Pre-crime (constant audio monitoring, combined along with ai-pattern forecasting) even gets a mention here:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/how-the-internet-of-things-is-building-smarter-cities-72269e8b88

All fine, but why has Silcon Valley banned simple street level public CCTV, why has GoogleGlass AR been abandoned, why have the cops in Wales been called out for mass data combing of faces using Clearview's ({recently hacked} db of 3bn faces, mostly scraped off social media posts).

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Well....what you actually mean, is the replicaiton of the Chinese model of highly efficent SmartLampPosts (yes, the type often cut down by civil rights protesters in HK with angle grinders).


Of course the 'Smart Cities' concept is nothing new (currently experiencing global hyper-gowth)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/this-is-how-we-secure-smart-cities



The multi-functional smart posts are the centre peice.

They will host a huge variety of sensors, IOT, lightning fast data points upon cloud archtecture, and a plethora of high zoom, (ai)cameras (including infrared {QDT} spectroscopy) scaning capability (and more), are all given.



Of course the WEF recommends the acceleration of such 'InfraTech' ecosystems, and require civic participation (compliance) for all new modals of Urban Innovation.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/5-ways-speed-up-creation-smart-cities/
Cities should adopt 'Smart Urbanisation' https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LiPhEAK?tab=publications
Pre-crime (constant audio monitoring combined, along with ai-pattern forecasting) even gets a mention here:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/how-the-internet-of-things-is-building-smarter-cities-72269e8b88


All fine, but why has Silcon Valley banned simple street level public CCTV, why has GoogleGlass AR been abandoned, why have the cops in Wales been called out for mass data combing of faces using Clearview's ({recently hacked} db of 3bn).

Cutting through all this techno-waffle, the answer is yes, you think streetlamps will be "watching us"

Technology --> goes through your paranoid filter --> "it will be used by the powers-that-be to track/control us"

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Cutting through all this techno-waffle

Welcome to 2020, read up.

How you even gonna make it in this coming 4th Industrial Reveloution, if every acronym you see is (lol) 'techo-waffle' to you.
This is something the over 60's would come out with, you appear to be paranoid or filter-blocking anything that's slightly technical.



Well....what you actually mean, is the replicaiton of the Chinese model of highly efficent SmartLampPosts (yes, the type often cut down by civil rights protesters in HK with angle grinders).

Of course the 'Smart Cities' concept is nothing new (currently experiencing global hyper-gowth)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...e-smart-cities

The multi-functional smart posts are the centre peice.

They will host a huge variety of sensors, IOT, lightning fast data points upon cloud archtecture, and a plethora of high zoom, (ai)cameras (including infrared {QDT} spectroscopy) scaning capability (and more), are all given.

Of course the WEF recommends the acceleration of such 'InfraTech' ecosystems, and require civic participation (compliance) for all new modals of Urban Innovation.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...-smart-cities/
Cities should adopt 'Smart Urbanisation' https://intelligence.weforum.org/top...b=publications
Pre-crime (constant audio monitoring combined, along with ai-pattern forecasting) even gets a mention here:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...ies-72269e8b88

All fine, but why has Silcon Valley banned simple street level public CCTV, why has GoogleGlass AR been abandoned, why have the cops in Wales been called out for mass data combing of faces using Clearview's ({recently hacked} db of 3bn).

King Mob

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Welcome to 2020, read up.

How you even gonna make it in this coming 4th Industrial Reveloution, if every acronym you see is (lol) 'techo-waffle' to you.
This is something the over 60's would come out with, you appear to be paranoid or filter-blocking anything that's slightly technical.

But it's not that we don't understand the technical terms, you are just using them in a way that makes it look more like you're desperate to sound like you understand them.

You constantly use anagrams, then immediately explain them in full and also providing the full link to what you are talking about.
You also constantly misuse and redefine terms to you own liking regardless of how the rest of the word uses those terms.
Combined with this, you have very odd grammar and a bizarre way of writing that uses a lot of random asides. (I would describe it as Trumpian.)
On top of that you also keep trying to attempt humor and wit with often have you misspelling words and names for some reason.

And all of this comes in a wall of text in response to simple yes or no questions where you never actually answer the question.

Your posts take time and effort to actually untangle what you are trying to say, but often it's very clear your posts aren't worth the effort.

mikekerry

King Mob wrote: »

But it's not that we don't understand the technical terms, you are just using them in a way that makes it look more like you're desperate to sound like you understand them.

You constantly use anagrams, then immediately explain them in full and also providing the full link to what you are talking about.
You also constantly misuse and redefine terms to you own liking regardless of how the rest of the word uses those terms.
You then also combine these terms in as long as a string as you can to make your statement as technical sounding as possible, even if it isn't correct or accurate.
Hence, you use a lot of technobabble and technowaffle.


Combined with this, you have very odd grammar and a bizarre way of writing that uses a lot of random asides. (I would describe it as Trumpian.)
On top of that you also keep trying to attempt humor and wit which often have you misspelling words and names for some reason.

And all of this comes in a wall of text in response to simple yes or no questions where you never actually answer the question.

Your posts take time and effort to actually untangle what you are trying to say, but often it's very clear your posts aren't worth the effort.

You appear to be more annoyed with the poster than their actual posts.
Speaking of misspelling humour is not spelled humor.
See we all make mistakes!

King Mob

mikekerry wrote: »

You appear to be more annoyed with the poster than their actual posts.

Not really. Just pointing out that his accusation that anyone who doesn't accept his conspiracy theories is doing so because they don't understand technical terms is incorrect.

Have you been particularly convinced by his claims?

nannerbenahs

The late Dr and Nobel Laureat Kary Mullis (creator of PCR) said this about it:

"It allows you to take a very miniscule amount of anything and make it measurable and then talk about it in meetings as if it is important"
"PCR is just a process to make a whole lot of something, it doesn't tell you that you're sick"

source: /watch?v=iWOJKuSKw5c

4068ac1elhodqr

Seems certain folks (backwards and/or technically naive) are still parading 'The Great Reset' (as it's published) as some conspiracy.

Maybe it is all just tea, sandwiches, elbow bumps and chats about the weather.
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/06/the-great-reset-a-unique-twin-summit-to-begin-2021#:~:text=The%20Great%20Reset%3A%20A%20Unique%20Twin%20Summit%20to,not%20fall%20behind%20economic%20development.%20More%20items...%20
It is what it is: 'A Reset, of Greatness'.

Perhaps return at the end of 2021 to this page, for good ole ROFL as sweeping changes are introduced.

King Mob

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Seems certain folks (backwards and/or technically naive) are still parading 'The Great Reset' (as it's published) as some conspiracy.

Again, the stuff you are suggesting is a conspiracy theory.
Not sure why you are pretending otherwise.

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Perhaps return at the end of 2021 to this page, for good ole ROFL as sweeping changes are introduced.

Yup. Heard that 10 years ago for swine flu too.

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

Yup. Heard that 10 years ago for swine flu too.

My great grandmother would've said similar after reading about Woodrow Wilsons "New World Order" and "League of Nations" in 1917.

Thats assuming my great grandmother was a paranoid lunatic. Which she may or may not have been.

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Welcome to 2020, read up.

Most rational people don't interpret technology in with the same hysteria and paranoia that you do

When our elected officials turn on us (for reasons unknown) and start tracking and secretly marking us, will you just sheepishly accept or will you be fighting in the underground resistance?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Most rational people don't (understand) interprettechnology in with the same (level of understanding)hysteria and paranoia that you do

FYP

Dohnjoe wrote: »

When our elected officials turn on us (for reasons unknown) and start tracking and secretly marking us, will you just sheepishly accept or will you be fighting in the underground resistance?

Sounds like you've been on the paronoid sci-fi jucie, else binge watching the Terminator with copious amounts of sugary popcorn: the 'underground' who, say whaaa?

All that is required is to say 'no thanks' to certain aspects, that is all, nothing more. Perhaps a temporary inconvenience here and there, ah well.

Without 80-90% type penetration, the Great Resetters will simply have to dull down their initial great sweeping plans for their own visions of sudden planned changes.

Certainly when society is ready for such grand changes (not really anytime soon), then by all means, the post-digital era can begin, at a more normal graduated pace. Certain aspects of it are indeed very useful and should not be discounted outright.

mikekerry

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Most rational people don't interpret technology in with the same hysteria and paranoia that you do

When our elected officials turn on us (for reasons unknown) and start tracking and secretly marking us, will you just sheepishly accept or will you be fighting in the underground resistance?

Saw a segment relating to this on a tv programme recently.
It may be "only" in china but let's hope none of these policies are rolled out in the western world because that is exactly what they are doing what you are suggesting i.e. tracking people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/china-surveillance/552203/

The Raging Bile Duct

mikekerry wrote: »

Saw a segment relating to this on a tv programme recently.
It may be "only" in china but let's hope none of these policies are rolled out in the western world because that is exactly what they are doing what you are suggesting i.e. tracking people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/china-surveillance/552203/

Haven't the EJCU not recently come out and said that indiscriminate mass surveillance is in breach of European law?

nannerbenahs

Eight months later, here we are. The Head of the Health Emergencies Program at the WHO has basically confirmed an IFR of 0.14%, approximately the same as the seasonal flu. And here are the latest survival rate estimates from the Center for Disease Control:

Age 0-19 … 99.997%
Age 20-49 … 99.98%
Age 50-69 … 99.5%
Age 70+ … 94.6%
The “science” argument is officially over. An increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases” (which now includes perfectly healthy people) is essentially meaningless propaganda

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

The “science” argument is officially over. An increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases” (which now includes perfectly healthy people)

Source for this "increasing number"?
Does the CDC agree with these doctors and experts that the corona virus isn't an issue?

nannerbenahs wrote: »

is essentially meaningless propaganda

So why are they promoting propaganda?

Why do they not inflate the numbers if their goal is to make people afraid of the pandemic?
Seems a bit counter productive for the conspiracy if they publish numbers that prove it's a conspiracy.

nannerbenahs

King Mob wrote: »

Source for this "increasing number"?
Does the CDC agree with these doctors and experts that the corona virus isn't an issue?


So why are they promoting propaganda?

Why do they not inflate the numbers if their goal is to make people afraid of the pandemic?
Seems a bit counter productive for the conspiracy if they publish numbers that prove it's a conspiracy.

This video is worth a look in relation to the now huge pushback from professional scientists and doctors worldwide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ&feature=emb_title

As to why the CDC or the WHO are giving this information..well I suggest that in this way they can´t be accused later of hiding the facts from us, even though in some cases these seem to have appeared by accident, like Michael Ryan while trying to scaremonger, giving that 0.14% IFR to anyone who can do his sums.
In any case, there has been so much disinformation, contradictory information presented all through these last 8 months, it seems to be part of the technique of the guiding groups to achieve public compliance. As Orwell described the importance of ´´doublethink´´ holding two contradictory ideas at the same time, believing both to be true etc. Fauci saying masks were useles early on based on years of excellent studies, then declaring that we should all wear masks a couple of months ago. Have we forgoten that we did flatten the curve? But obviously that wasn´t enough.

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Eight months later, here we are. The Head of the Health Emergencies Program at the WHO has basically confirmed an IFR of 0.14%, approximately the same as the seasonal flu. And here are the latest survival rate estimates from the Center for Disease Control:

Age 0-19 … 99.997%
Age 20-49 … 99.98%
Age 50-69 … 99.5%
Age 70+ … 94.6%
The “science” argument is officially over. An increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases” (which now includes perfectly healthy people) is essentially meaningless propaganda

You are misinterpreting figures (in order to downplay the severity)

Here is the case fatality rate for Ireland with a good explainer
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~IRL

And here is the current situation in the UK of covid 19 v pneumonia v seasonal flu
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54463511

TLDR Covid 19 is more deadly than seasonal flu. It critically also risks overwhelming hospitals which creates huge risks for people with other health issues.

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

This video is worth a look in relation to the now huge pushback from professional scientists and doctors worldwide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ&feature=emb_title

That's a video by one doctor (who has brought the case in Germany) that is doing the rounds on conspiracy sites. Certainly not a "huge pushback" at all.

Someone in one of these threads held up a document signed by ~300 health experts/professionals/doctors, claiming that it represented some sort of medical or expert consensus. No, that number represented less than 1% of the total number of doctors in that country.

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

This video is worth a look in relation to the now huge pushback from professional scientists and doctors worldwide

Do you have anything better than a random conspiracy theorist youtube video?

Also, I asked if the CDC shares the opinion of the doctors and experts who are "speaking out".
I assume that's a "no"?

nannerbenahs wrote: »

As to why the CDC or the WHO are giving this information..well I suggest that in this way they can´t be accused later of hiding the facts from us,

That doesn't make any sense
Ypu're saying that they admit they're lying so they can't in trouble for lying.
That's ridiculous.

Do you honestly have no better reason?

nannerbenahs wrote: »

even though in some cases these seem to have appeared by accident, like Michael Ryan while trying to scaremonger, giving that 0.14% IFR to anyone who can do his sums.

So is this Michael Ryan part of the conspiracy or...?

nannerbenahs wrote: »

As Orwell described the importance of ´´doublethink´´ holding two contradictory ideas at the same time, believing both to be true etc.

Doublethink like for instance: the idea there's a secret ploy to make corona virus seem more serious than it is, which you know about because of figure the people behind the secret ploy put out.

That seems doubleplus doublethink to me...

King Mob

Also, I don't really understand this line of argument.

Even if it's "only as bad as the flu", that's still bad.
That's at least doubling the amount of sick people dying when flu season hits.

And that's before even considering things like the number of corona virus cases that are severe enough to require hospitalisation compared to those cases for flu.
I'm not seeing that figure toted about by conspiracy theorists, so I assume that it doesn't support the conspiracy theory if the number is even available.

And even that's before considering how the virus might pan out over time or it's long term effects in people who get it and survive. And on top of that, we still aren't sure how immune people are after infection.

Remember, earlier we were being told by conspiracy theorists that no one could be an expert in the virus because it hadn't been around for even a year.
We were told by conspiracy theorists that a vaccine couldn't be tested inside 18 months cause we couldn't know it's long term effects.

Now that it suits, conspiracy theorists are saying that 10 months is more than enough time to understand the virus and it's long term effects enough to declare it's not an issue.

But I guarantee that if governments, the CDC and the WHO et al. were treating the corona virus as if it were as severe as the flu, conspiracy theorists would be bleating about how it's a super effective bioweapon meant to depopulate the planet or some such.

I remember when this was being claimed about Swine Flu ten years ago.
I remember when it was claimed about covid only like 6 months ago...

Dohnjoe

King Mob wrote: »

Also, I don't really understand this line of argument.

It's the same argument as everything else conspiracy related, it's yet another "ruse" by whatever powers-that-be in order to do bad or cartoonishly stupid things. Light on details as always.

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's the same argument as everything else conspiracy related, it's yet another "ruse" by whatever powers-that-be in order to do bad or cartoonishly stupid things. Light on details as always.

Has there been any event in the last 20 years that wasn't a massive conspiracy of some kind?

I'm pretty sure every pandemic was a conspiracy also, so I'm curious what conspiracy theorists are using as a benchmark for what a normal pandemic should be like.

nannerbenahs

King Mob wrote: »

Do you have anything better than a random conspiracy theorist youtube video?

Also, I asked if the CDC shares the opinion of the doctors and experts who are "speaking out".
I assume that's a "no"?


That doesn't make any sense
Ypu're saying that they admit they're lying so they can't in trouble for lying.
That's ridiculous.

Do you honestly have no better reason?

So is this Michael Ryan part of the conspiracy or...?


Doublethink like for instance: the idea there's a secret ploy to make corona virus seem more serious than it is, which you know about because of figure the people behind the secret ploy put out.

That seems doubleplus doublethink to me...

Do you think the response has been proportionate in Ireland or worldwide? Have you any idea of the devastation caused?
One startling fact is that more youth suicide attempts are now being reported in one month than earlier in a whole year.
Ireland´s own stats now show us that 19 out of 20 patients who died at the peak of the Irish covid fatality graph were considered by our overrun health service already too old and too weak to be put on a ventilator. They were left in their carehomes to die. All this while people with serious health problems avoided going to the hospitals for treatment out of fear of the virus. Hence many very quiet hospitals and lots of dancing nurses. In Germany 90% of cancer operations were cancelled or postponed. Serious stuff!
Do you think our dear leaders really care about old people, or sick people of any age. That would be a conspiracy theory because there is certainly no evidence of such a caring government!
Hitherto the protocall for spending allowance on treatment for a sick person in UK was about 22000 euro. I doubt Ireland´s is much higher. Sweden is about 50000 Euro.
What do you think the spend per covid death worldwide to date has been ??..A conservative estimate would put that at least 10,000,000 euro per person and counting.
But then anyone who has a problem with this outrageous situation or tries to highlight any aspect of it , is conveniently labelled a conspiracy nut.

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Do you think the response has been proportionate in Ireland or worldwide?

According to experts in the field, it could have been more proportionate.
I will have to agree with the consensus of experts and organisations as I am not trained in statistics or virology and my individual opinion would not be informed or valid.

nannerbenahs wrote: »

One startling fact ...

Before we move on to the torrent of "facts" you probably have prepared, lets stick with the first one.

You said there was a "huge pushback from professional scientists and doctors worldwide" and "an increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases”... is essentially meaningless propaganda".

Could you provide a valid, reliable source for this please.
Youtube videos from conspiracy cranks with no sources or data are not valid or reliable.

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

In Germany 90% of cancer operations were cancelled or postponed. Serious stuff!

All over the world operations have been cancelled/postponed because hospitals and more importantly staff were becoming overwhelmed. Staff were also contracting the virus, in one department 20 staff were hit including 3 physicians, who had to use up one of the ventilators.

The stuff you are bringing up are the same conspiracy/covid-denier talking points we've seen in here for months.

nannerbenahs

19 out of 20 patients who died at the peak of the Irish covid fatality graph were considered by our overrun health service already too old and too weak to be put on a ventilator.

Have you checked out that detail? It can be confirmed if you look at HSE data. Easier I suppose to just to cry ´conspiracy theorist´every time someone makes a comment even vaguely contesting the official narrative.

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Have you checked out that detail? It can be confirmed if you look at HSE data. Easier I suppose to just to cry ´conspiracy theorist´every time someone makes a comment even vaguely contesting the official narrative.

No, I haven't looked into it yet as I'm still trying to address your first claim.

Could you please provide a source for:
"huge pushback from professional scientists and doctors worldwide" and "an increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases”... is essentially meaningless propaganda".


Again, conspiracy videos on youtube are not a source.

If you can't provide a better source, then please say so, we can then reject this claim as false and then move on to the next claim.

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

19 out of 20 patients who died at the peak of the Irish covid fatality graph were considered by our overrun health service already too old and too weak to be put on a ventilator.

Have you checked out that detail? It can be confirmed if you look at HSE data. Easier I suppose to just to cry ´conspiracy theorist´every time someone makes a comment even vaguely contesting the official narrative.

You are continually presenting information that's out of context, or partially/fully incorrect on a conspiracy theory forum. And yes as mentioned, a lot of it is rehashed debunked talking points we've heard for months from conspiracy theorists and covid-deniers (and anti-vaxxers)

nannerbenahs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are misinterpreting figures (in order to downplay the severity)

Here is the case fatality rate for Ireland with a good explainer
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~IRL

And here is the current situation in the UK of covid 19 v pneumonia v seasonal flu
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54463511

TLDR Covid 19 is more deadly than seasonal flu. It critically also risks overwhelming hospitals which creates huge risks for people with other health issues.

The WHO (Accidentally) Confirmed Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu
Head of Health Emergencies Program “best estimates” put IFR at 0.14%

The WHO’s top brass made this announcement during a special session of the WHO’s 34-member executive board on Monday October 5th, it’s just nobody seemed to really understand it.

In fact, they didn’t seem to completely understand it themselves.

At the session, Dr Michael Ryan, the WHO’s Head of Emergencies revealed that they believe roughly 10% of the world has been infected with Sars-Cov-2. This is their “best estimate”, and a huge increase over the number of officially recognised cases (around 35 million).

Dr. Margaret Harris, a WHO spokeswoman, later confirmed the figure, stating it was based on the average results of all the broad seroprevalence studies done around the world.

As much as the WHO were attempting to spin this as a bad thing – Dr Ryan even said it means “the vast majority of the world remains at risk.” – it’s actually good news. And confirms, once more, that the virus is nothing like as deadly as everyone predicted.

The global population is roughly 7.8 billion people, if 10% have been infected that is 780 million cases. The global death toll currently attributed to Sars-Cov-2 infections is 1,061,539.

That’s an infection fatality rate of roughly or 0.14%. Right in line with seasonal flu and the predictions of many experts from all around the world.

0.14% is over 24 times LOWER than the WHO’s “provisional figure” of 3.4% back in March. This figure was used in the models which were used to justify lockdowns and other draconian policies.

In fact, given the over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths, the IFR is likely even lower than 0.14%, and could show Covid to be much less dangerous than flu.

None of the mainstream press picked up on this. Though many outlets reported Dr Ryan’s words, they all attempted to make it a scary headline and spread more panic.

Apparently neither they, nor the WHO, were capable of doing the simple maths that shows us this is good news. And that the Covid sceptics have been right all along.

King Mob

Also, if you are claiming that there's a concerted global plot that involves dozens of medical and scientific organisations, dozens of governments and thousands of politicans, doctors, journalists and experts, for the purpose of falsely inflating the threat of the virus for some nefarious end, then yea, that's a conspiracy theory.
If you believe and present a conspiracy theory, you are a conspiracy theorist.

If you don't like that term, maybe stop believing and presenting conspiracy theories.

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

The WHO (Accidentally) Confirmed Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu

They haven't. Read my reply above.

nannerbenahs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They haven't. Read my reply above.

Those seeking clarity on all this, and why so much is confusing and contradictory, I suggest you listen to this from about 50 mins where Dr Ivor Cummins begins to speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KiTgxZ9tyQ

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Those seeking clarity on all this, and why so much is confusing and contradictory,

I suggest not getting information from random cranks on YouTube and from those who try to avoid questions they can't honestly answer.

nannerbenahs

Just watched the who session of 12.10 with Ryan and co as they tried to squirm their way out of the fact that they had effectively pronounced a 0.14% IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) for Covid 1984.
They tried to suggest that somehow this was based on évolving studies bla bla bla and interestingly tried divert our attention to a consideration that this figure adjusted for AGE of course would be ´´higher´´. Well of course it would be!!
These people are imbeciles, but who is listening to WHO, who is paying attention to anything at this stage?
And it looks as if this thread is dead or comatose at least
apart from a few trusty gatekeepers....

brianhere

Gatekeepers is right, if they are not paid to do this they should be!lol

King Mob

nannerbenahs wrote: »

These people are imbeciles, but who is listening to WHO

So is your doctorate in statistics or virology?
Or are you a medical doctor?

nannerbenahs wrote: »

And it looks as if this thread is dead or comatose at least

Again here's that weird Orwellian doublethink.

"Please explain and substantiate your beliefs" = Censorship and no discussion.

King Mob

brianhere wrote: »

Gatekeepers is right, if they are not paid to do this they should be!lol

Lol.
"Anyone who doesn't believe the conspiracy theory is obviously a paid government agent..."

brianhere

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Those seeking clarity on all this, and why so much is confusing and contradictory, I suggest you listen to this from about 50 mins where Dr Ivor Cummins begins to speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KiTgxZ9tyQ

Yes thats very good nanner alright, I think he comes on maybe about half an hour in. He is clearly a very respected scientist already, with a popular book to his credit and he certainly has called this out as nonsense...

Dohnjoe

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Those seeking clarity on all this, and why so much is confusing and contradictory, I suggest you listen to this from about 50 mins where Dr Ivor Cummins begins to speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KiTgxZ9tyQ

Cummins, an engineer, is a Youtube crank and Covid denier

http://sonorouschocolate.com/covid19/index.php?title=Cummins-2020-09-08

Dohnjoe

brianhere wrote: »

Yes thats very good nanner alright, I think he comes on maybe about half an hour in. He is clearly a very respected scientist already, with a popular book to his credit and he certainly has called this out as nonsense...

It's pretty hilarious watching those who believes that this is all a ruse for communism/totalitarianism/"New World Order" agreeing with those who believe it's all been prophesied by the bible ("mark of the beast") agreeing with those denying the extent of the virus

Almost like there's a common denominator..

nannerbenahs

brianhere wrote: »

Yes thats very good nanner alright, I think he comes on maybe about half an hour in. He is clearly a very respected scientist already, with a popular book to his credit and he certainly has called this out as nonsense...

Yeah Brian, like the pint of plain´(when it could still be found), Ivor is yer only man in covidated Ireland!!
You probably know his site The Fat Emperor and his brilliant work on cardiac calcium testing, diet etc.
Here are some of his recent data analyses vis a vis Covid that I have looked at. There are some new ones too.
He thankfuly sticks to the science and statistics unlike the official geniuses guiding Ireland´s response. This is why he hasn´t been banned.. They can´t fault him because he is just analysing official statistics, but in a thorough and expert manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0KyWBksWrU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrRijSa8494