All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Timberrrrrrrr

PintOfView wrote: »

My coat keeps me dry, even if it's raining

When it gets to the stage where you have to explain this to the anti vax lads then you know you're definitely fighting a losing battle

Professor Moriarty

PintOfView wrote: »

My coat keeps me dry, even if it's raining

Your coat is full of microchips.

ShatterAlan

PintOfView wrote: »

My coat keeps me dry, even if it's raining

Well the only way you would truly get wet in the rain is if you were naked, no?


Put on a coat and go and stand in the rain and you'll still get wet in my experience.



Were you referring to your skin or your whole body, coat, clothes and all?


Maybe I'm missing something but the only way to not get wet when it's raining is to be out of the rain.

aido79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree that the comparison is unfair, but I highlighted what's going in New South Wales only to show the difference between what is being described as freedom in the UK and what freedom looks like in New South Wales. I understand why people are delighted to be able to go to the pub (albeit outdoors) and do certain other things after being locked down for so long, but even on the 21st of June there's no guarantee that mask wearing will be a thing of the past, or that social distancing won't remain in place in some form. There's to be a review soon, but if Dr Mary Ramsay of PHE and SAGE are right masks won't be going anywhere for another few years at least. Or possibly even social distancing.

Do you understand why there are no covid restrictions for the most part in Australia?
I'm an Australian citizen and if I wanted to go there and was lucky enough to be able to get a flight to Australia I would have to quarantine for 2 weeks by which time even if I had covid upon entering Australia I would not be positive are spending 2 weeks in quarantine. Do you understand this? If you do then stop comparing what's happening in other countries to what's happening in Australia. I you don't feel free to ask me to simplify it further.

PintOfView

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Well the only way you would truly get wet in the rain is if you were naked, no?

Put on a coat and go and stand in the rain and you'll still get wet in my experience.


Were you referring to your skin or your whole body, coat, clothes and all?

Maybe I'm missing something but the only way to not get wet when it's raining is to be out of the rain.

When you take off your coat, are you dry again?

sabat

sabat wrote: »

On the day this was signed into law people are still of the belief that there's nothing untoward happening:

https://twitter.com/DufusShinkle/status/1381485467611193346/photo/1

You are just embarrassing yourselves now.

Awful. Another conspiracy theory comes to pass, but just like vaccine passports it'll be ignored.

aido79

aido79 wrote: »

Do you understand why there are no covid restrictions for the most part in Australia?
I'm an Australian citizen and if I wanted to go there and was lucky enough to be able to get a flight to Australia I would have to quarantine for 2 weeks by which time even if I had covid upon entering Australia I would not be positive are spending 2 weeks in quarantine. Do you understand this? If you do then stop comparing what's happening in other countries to what's happening in Australia. I you don't feel free to ask me to simplify it further.

No thanks. I don't need you to explain it to me. I have friends in Australia.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No thanks. I don't need you to explain it to me. I have friends in Australia.

:pac:

ShatterAlan

PintOfView wrote: »

When you take off your coat, are you dry again?

Rarely. It depends on how heavy the rain is. Frequently my shins and feet are wet as is my face if there's a wind accompanying the rain.



It also depends on the coat and how long one is out in the rain. A waterproof/canvas/plastic coat will afford a lot more resistance than a cloth/wool one.

ShatterAlan

EyesClosed wrote: »

Why is not necessary and what makes it dangerous?
What would you do to remove the covid problem?

And please show me evidence as to why its not needed and what makes it dangerous.

I dunno. I slept with a girl last August who had covid. I'm still corona negative. She's fine. Maybe people don't necessarily need a vaccine. Maybe some can just let their bodies fight it like any other virus?

ShatterAlan

buzzerxx wrote: »

This vaccine is unnecessary and dangerous imho.

The AZ one has now been halted in The Netherlands as a result of the thrombosis issue....at least for those under 60.

ShatterAlan

EyesClosed wrote: »

Vaccines are going to be permanent to help stop a virus... I'd bloody well hope so.

What's the conspiracy there?

If the vaccine was stamped as 100% safe then I would imagine everyone would take one. Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that no medication is 100% safe, even a simple aspirin. Well if that's the case and it's not 100% safe then shouldn't people be allowed the choice as to whether to take it or not.


Give a guarantee that it's 100% safe and face a lawsuit if side effects transpire and you won't have to convince anyone.



A Lem-Sip contains paracetamol. You could argue that if a person DOESN'T take a Lem-Sip to alleviate a cold then they are putting others in danger so they ought to just take it and STFU.

ShatterAlan

Notmything wrote: »

For those who believe the vaccine is not needed or really a way of tracking us.

Is it just the covid vaccine you are anti?

What about vaccines for measles, Diphtheria, whooping cough or rubella?

Those vaccines have been given for years, so why are the "elite global conspirators" not using them? Surely easier than creating a virus, praying it becomes a pandemic, then every government has to take the same actions, all so they can forcibly give everyone a new vaccine.

I don't think anyone with an IQ above room temperature believes the tracking bullsh1t.

aido79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No thanks. I don't need you to explain it to me. I have friends in Australia.

So why do you keep referring to the difference in restrictions between Australia and other countries? Even within Australia there are huge differences in restrictions between states.
Did they not get the memo from Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab or whoever you think is behind all of this?....or maybe it's because they don't have an easily transmissable respiratory disease in their country?

ShatterAlan

Notmything wrote: »

For those who believe the vaccine is not needed or really a way of tracking us.

Is it just the covid vaccine you are anti?

What about vaccines for measles, Diphtheria, whooping cough or rubella?

Those vaccines have been given for years, so why are the "elite global conspirators" not using them? Surely easier than creating a virus, praying it becomes a pandemic, then every government has to take the same actions, all so they can forcibly give everyone a new vaccine.

I don't think that anyone is anti-vaccine. I wish people would stop using that term the same way as they try to ridicule people who question government policy by calling them Flat-Earthers and Lizard People. Can you not take on board skepticism without slamming the door and resorting to ad hominem attacks. If you possess so much more trustworthy and reliable information then you should be confident in your ability to educate the ill-informed rather than insulting them.


Yes, you're right, the MMR vaccine was an amazing achievement. But one should have the right to take it. I know, it's administered to infants but I never received it. I had mumps when I was 3, measles when I was about 5 or 6 and German Measles when I was maybe 8. Chicken Pox too in 4th class.



Again nobody is anti vaccine, they just don't think it's necessary for this disease and for so many people to have not died from such an epidemic I can't blame them.

ShatterAlan

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Even if it's causing the blood clots that they are being cautious about, it's a fraction of the amount caused by the pill.

Where's the outrage about the risk of the pill to women ?


A handy comparison tweeted by our own DeVore


https://twitter.com/DeVore/status/1381342321518739461?s=19

Wasn't smoking recommended by doctors and experts at one point not so long ago?


Wasn't Thalidomide?

Fighting Tao

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Wasn't smoking recommended by doctors and experts at one point not so long ago?


Wasn't Thalidomide?

So what measures are permanent?

ShatterAlan

aido79 wrote: »

So why do you keep referring to the difference in restrictions between Australia and other countries? Even within Australia there are huge differences in restrictions between states.
Did they not get the memo from Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab or whoever you think is behind all of this?....or maybe it's because they don't have an easily transmissable respiratory disease in their country?

I'd say a lot of Aussies would look at COVID and laugh and say "strewth, mate, I get bitten daily by a snake or a bug the size of a coffee cup and then have to suffer 20 stubbies of VB. Coronavirus, yer jokin' Mate".


:pac:

ShatterAlan

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So what measures are permanent?

That's beside the point.



The point I was making was that medical professionals have gotten it wrong before. I got into a discussion with a Dutch guy in Amsterdam about a month ago and he was adamant that the experts ought to be listened to and I asked him about smoking or Thalidomide or a variety of other recommendations that over the years have proven to be detrimental or plain harmful. He stuttered and did what you just did. He tried to change the subject.


But to respond to your question as to what measures will be made permanent. Again that's extremely difficult to know. One can't just predict the future nor should you expect them to whip out a crystal ball and say "this will become permanent, that will never go back to the way it was in 2019", etc.

I've brought up airport security measure before. These measures were brought in in the wake of 9/11 and they have never gone away. I hear people explain it away that we are now so much safer. Safer from what, exactly? You can't bring a bottle of water onto a plane or a tub of yoghurt or shampoo yet you can get on a ferry or the EuroStar in a car ful of booze, cosmetics and a tank full of petrol. Tell me which is easier to make a "bomb" with if indeed you even had the wherewithall to do so.

I get it. You want to live in a care-free world where the government or those with more power than you would never abuse that power and would always have your back. I get that. Most people would love for that to be true.

Some people, however, are not that trusting. Most people seem to distrust the ones who are least likely to take advantage of them and are more trusting of the ones who are most likely.

Timmyr

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't explain why they are mandatory in New Zealand on planes and on public transport even though covid doesn't exist there.

Covid certainly does exist here, just this week we had border workers test positive, one of which took 3 bus journeys so masks are definitely still important

SlowBlowin

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'd say a lot of Aussies would look at COVID and laugh and say "strewth, mate, I get bitten daily by a snake or a bug the size of a coffee cup and then have to suffer 20 stubbies of VB. Coronavirus, yer jokin' Mate".


:pac:

Not in my experience, they are taking it ALL very seriously, not the relaxed attitude your comment suggests. Yes they are enjoying their ability to socialise, but they have earned it, huge amounts of voluntary testing in hotspots etc. they have made great community efforts to contain it.

King Mob

ShatterAlan wrote: »

That's beside the point.

No, that's the point of the thread.

No conspiracy theorist has been able to explain and detail what measures are going to be permanent.

The only ones who have have claimed embarassingly silly things like "mark of the beast".

It's been 250 pages.
Not one sane arguement.

aido79

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'd say a lot of Aussies would look at COVID and laugh and say "strewth, mate, I get bitten daily by a snake or a bug the size of a coffee cup and then have to suffer 20 stubbies of VB. Coronavirus, yer jokin' Mate".


:pac:

Sounds like the closest you've been to Australia is watching Steve Irwin on tv. But in a way you're right that Aussies don't take covid as seriously because it really hasn't affected them as much as other countries.
Do you think stricter covid measures will be introduced there and become permanent?

ShatterAlan

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Not in my experience, they are taking it ALL very seriously, not the relaxed attitude your comment suggests. Yes they are enjoying their ability to socialise, but they have earned it, huge amounts of voluntary testing in hotspots etc. they have made great community efforts to contain it.

I guess I was wrong about their legendary individual spirit.

ShatterAlan

aido79 wrote: »

Sounds like the closest you've been to Australia is watching Steve Irwin on tv. But in a way you're right that Aussies don't take covid as seriously because it really hasn't affected them as much as other countries.
Do you think stricter covid measures will be introduced there and become permanent?

Hee-hee, yeah, hee-hee. Nice one.



You make a snotty comment and then you ask me a serious question?

King Mob

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Hee-hee, yeah, hee-hee. Nice one.

You make a snotty comment and then you ask me a serious question?

What's the issue?
You haven't been addressing any questions.

Fighting Tao

ShatterAlan wrote: »

That's beside the point.



The point I was making was that medical professionals have gotten it wrong before. I got into a discussion with a Dutch guy in Amsterdam about a month ago and he was adamant that the experts ought to be listened to and I asked him about smoking or Thalidomide or a variety of other recommendations that over the years have proven to be detrimental or plain harmful. He stuttered and did what you just did. He tried to change the subject.


But to respond to your question as to what measures will be made permanent. Again that's extremely difficult to know. One can't just predict the future nor should you expect them to whip out a crystal ball and say "this will become permanent, that will never go back to the way it was in 2019", etc.

I've brought up airport security measure before. These measures were brought in in the wake of 9/11 and they have never gone away. I hear people explain it away that we are now so much safer. Safer from what, exactly? You can't bring a bottle of water onto a plane or a tub of yoghurt or shampoo yet you can get on a ferry or the EuroStar in a car ful of booze, cosmetics and a tank full of petrol. Tell me which is easier to make a "bomb" with if indeed you even had the wherewithall to do so.

I get it. You want to live in a care-free world where the government or those with more power than you would never abuse that power and would always have your back. I get that. Most people would love for that to be true.

Some people, however, are not that trusting. Most people seem to distrust the ones who are least likely to take advantage of them and are more trusting of the ones who are most likely.

It is not beside the point. It is the point of this thread!

Basically you can’t identify any permanent measures as you have said.

Also, no one ever said that the 9/11 airline travel measures were temporary, and you are trying to deviate from the thread yet again by bringing in more unrelated things. 9/11 was almost 20 years ago. Stop beating the worn out drum.

Dohnjoe

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't think that anyone is anti-vaccine. I wish people would stop using that term the same way as they try to ridicule people who question government policy by calling them Flat-Earthers and Lizard People. Can you not take on board skepticism without slamming the door and resorting to ad hominem attacks. If you possess so much more trustworthy and reliable information then you should be confident in your ability to educate the ill-informed rather than insulting them.

It's not skepticism in any form. They are just highly ignorant people who are blindly anti-science. They don't "question" the anti-vaccine propaganda they are fed.

Dohnjoe

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I've brought up airport security measure before. These measures were brought in in the wake of 9/11 and they have never gone away. I hear people explain it away that we are now so much safer. Safer from what, exactly?

Safer from airline terrorist attacks. The stronger security prevents terrorists from bringing weapons and smuggling bombs on board. The locked cabins prevent terrorists from breaking into the cockpit. It deters terrorists (they know they may not get around the stronger security) and it can also catch attempted terrorist (via the searches themselves)

This has all been explained to you. If you can't understand these basic concepts, no one can help you with that. It's worth pointing out that, like many conspiracy theorists on this forum, you seem determined not to understand it, for whatever reasons. There's ignorance, and there's ignorance out of spite, and there's willful ignorance.

PuddingBreath

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Even if it's causing the blood clots that they are being cautious about, it's a fraction of the amount caused by the pill.

Where's the outrage about the risk of the pill to women ?


A handy comparison tweeted by our own DeVore


https://twitter.com/DeVore/status/1381342321518739461?s=19

the thing is, i know women who don't take the pill because of how it affects them, taking the pill is very much optional, there are many alternatives to taking the pill.

with covid vaccines the narrative is all about forcing people to take them, you can't have a holiday, a pint etc without vaccines is supposedly how this is panning out... trying to frighten the cr@p out of people.