Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

Sierra Oscar

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Lockdowns are a disaster, they don't work.

The lockdown completely halted the spread of the virus to such an extent that new case numbers dropped to as low as 4 in June.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument and extremely damaging to the economy, but it does what it says on the tin - stops the virus spreading almost entirely.

Localised and targeted restrictions are needed to manage this pandemic longterm. However be in no doubt that if the spread gets out of control and the hospital system comes under intense pressure then the only way to stop the virus spreading in its tracks is to initiate a lockdown.

ACitizenErased

The time for lockdowns is long gone.

giveitholly

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The time for lockdowns is long gone.

You would have to feel sorry for the hospitality sector in Laois and offaly who lost out in weeks of business at the height of the tourist season

Galwayguy35

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The lockdown completely halted the spread of the virus to such an extent that new case numbers dropped to as low as 4 in June.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument and extremely damaging to the economy, but it does what it says on the tin - stops the virus spreading almost entirely.

Localised and targeted restrictions are needed to manage this pandemic longterm. However be in no doubt that if the spread gets out of control and the hospital system comes under intense pressure then the only way to stop the virus spreading in its tracks is to initiate a lockdown.

Any more lockdowns will finish off the economy for years to come.

Beasty

Threads merged

growleaves

giveitholly wrote: »

You would have to feel sorry for the hospitality sector in Laois and offaly who lost out in weeks of business at the height of the tourist season

I do feel sorry for them but ultimately who's responsible? The people of Ireland for going along with this farce.

No one ever heard of a lockdown before this year, the Chinese government invented it on the fly a few months ago. Italy copied China, then multiple Euro countries copied Italy.

No one knows whether it does anything. No one has any proof nor seeks any. Since it aligns with people's assumptions about where the numbers would have gone without a lockdown, they think they know they that it prevented x, y, z (actually just projections from theoretical models which regurgitated the data fed into them).

Risteard81

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The lockdown completely halted the spread of the virus to such an extent that new case numbers dropped to as low as 4 in June.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument and extremely damaging to the economy, but it does what it says on the tin - stops the virus spreading almost entirely.

Localised and targeted restrictions are needed to manage this pandemic longterm. However be in no doubt that if the spread gets out of control and the hospital system comes under intense pressure then the only way to stop the virus spreading in its tracks is to initiate a lockdown.

If they try another treasonous lockdown there is little doubt that they will be met with direct military force to prevent them. These traitors will be punished severely for what they have done. Have no doubt about this.

Del Griffith

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The lockdown completely halted the spread of the virus to such an extent that new case numbers dropped to as low as 4 in June.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument and extremely damaging to the economy, but it does what it says on the tin - stops the virus spreading almost entirely.

But as soon as you lift it, it just starts again. So even though its obviously effective it is somewhat pointless outside of allowing hospitals to cope if they're under strain, which they are not.

We can also bring death by car crash to zero by banning cars.

Sierra Oscar

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Any more lockdowns will finish off the economy for years to come.

The economy will be finished off regardless if the virus starts spreading uncontrollably and people are afraid to step outside their front door and spend money.

Look at the figures for Sweden - their economy tanked despite no formal lockdown being implemented. Scared people don't go out and spend their money.

There's no tarting this up to make things seem brighter than they are. The reality is that things are looking bleak this winter.

GT89

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The economy will be finished off regardless if the virus starts spreading uncontrollably and people are afraid to step outside their front door and spend money.

Look at the figures for Sweden - their economy tanked despite no formal lockdown being implemented. Scared people don't go out and spend their money.

There's no tarting this up to make things seem brighter than they are. The reality is that things are looking bleak this winter.

But Sweden's economy is doing far better than any other economy in the EU atm

https://fee.org/articles/bbc-sweden-s-economy-is-doing-way-better-than-the-rest-of-the-eu-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Charles Babbage

Half the lockdown is not needed, the trick is knowing which half.
Numbers cannot be allowed grow indefinitely, so R has to be brought back to 1 or below. In Dublin, this is not going to happen by itself, especially with universities opening, so measures will have to be taken.

As the previous poster said, doing nothing is not a real option. It isn't going to be great either way, we just need to keep as much going as we can. The virus won't go away just because we are tired of it.
Personally, I'd favour dampening things down to lower the level over the next couple of months so that people could relax a bit at Christmas.

GT89 wrote: »

But Sweden's economy is doing far better than any other economy in the EU atm
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Unless you count Ireland, of course, which is the place most relevant to this thread.

stockshares

This is a good article which shows the breakdown of Dublin numbers by Local Health Office areas(LHO) with an excellent map.

It shows that specific lockdowns within the city would be more beneficial than general lockdowns.

This is the kind of data that should be made available to every City, Town and Village in Ireland rather than keeping people in the dark with out of date data.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/figures-show-wide-discrepancies-in-covid-infection-rates-across-dublin-1.4352727?mode=amp

tobefrank321

The whole thing is a mess.

Government are paralysed by fear. They are unwilling to impose limited restrictions in Dublin now to get a handle on new infections.

Instead they will wait until its out of control in Dublin and then the rest of the country and then impose another full lockdown likely to coincide with Christmas.

Speakerboxx

Lockdown Dublin before this gets out of hand.

tobefrank321

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Half the lockdown is not needed, the trick is knowing which half.
Numbers cannot be allowed grow indefinitely, so R has to be brought back to 1 or below. In Dublin, this is not going to happen by itself, especially with universities opening, so measures will have to be taken.

Agreed. But if you suggest non economic social lockdown measures you are confronted with the long engrained "Dublin a special case" mindset which is counter productive and means nothing will be done.

Its going to run out of control in Dublin, there's no doubt about that. If they implement a limited lockdown now which targets social or non essential gatherings such as sports activities, an economic lockdown can be avoided.

I don't think a lot of Dubs will get their heads around that though. Which is why covid is going to run out of control.

Assetbacked

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Lockdown Dublin before this gets out of hand.

Or just stop the turf muchers coming into Dublin and Dubliners leaving Dublin for a few weeks and leave us alone to our own devices.

Eircom_Sucks

Can’t keep locking down counties etc

People won’t stand for this , enough is enough

poisonated

I think they should lockdown dublin 15.

Assetbacked

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Can’t keep locking down counties etc

People won’t stand for this , enough is enough

I said it yesterday, without needing to go into a detailed analysis on a Dublin lockdown again, the airport would need to be shut for majority buy in from the public. People won't accept a limit on movements and who they can see in public or at home while the airport stays open.

Charles Babbage

stockshares wrote: »

This is a good article which shows the breakdown of Dublin numbers by Local Health Office areas(LHO) with an excellent map.

It shows that specific lockdowns within the city would be more beneficial than general lockdowns.

This is the kind of data that should be made available to every City, Town and Village in Ireland rather than keeping people in the dark with out of date data.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/figures-show-wide-discrepancies-in-covid-infection-rates-across-dublin-1.4352727?mode=amp

The map is certainly helpful, who would have thought that Dublin South East was west of Dublin South! UCD going back will likely move the latter up the league table pretty quickly.

Assetbacked wrote: »

I said it yesterday, without needing to go into a detailed analysis on a Dublin lockdown again, the airport would need to be shut for majority buy in from the public. People won't accept a limit on movements and who they can see in public or at home while the airport stays open.

People can come in from places with less infection, just as they will continue to be allowed move around in Kerry or Donegal.

ixoy

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its going to run out of control in Dublin, there's no doubt about that. If they implement a limited lockdown now which targets social or non essential gatherings such as sports activities, an economic lockdown can be avoided.

Sports activities? How will that help when there's already limits on gatherings for sports?
Or do you mean people calling over to each others houses? Which they've also already limited and will limit further (and somewhat understandably).

I don't think the issue is with the advice there - it's people aren't heeding it. How to get around that is a bigger challenge.

Dionaibh

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The lockdown completely halted the spread of the virus to such an extent that new case numbers dropped to as low as 4 in June.

Lockdown is a blunt instrument and extremely damaging to the economy, but it does what it says on the tin - stops the virus spreading almost entirely.

Localised and targeted restrictions are needed to manage this pandemic longterm. However be in no doubt that if the spread gets out of control and the hospital system comes under intense pressure then the only way to stop the virus spreading in its tracks is to initiate a lockdown.

What evidence is there to suggest that the lockdown completely halted the spread? In my opinion, the lockdown achieved nothing. All it did was destroy the economy and wreck mental health.

GottaGetGatt

And what about all the people who work in Dublin during the week and travel back home across the country every weekend?

DangerScouse

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Lockdown Dublin before this gets out of hand.

As a Dub I agree. Ridiculous it hasn't happened already.

Assetbacked

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

And what about all the people who work in Dublin during the week and travel back home across the country every weekend?

With all the exemptions it will be like the travel guidance they implemented which involved a media fear campaign rather than actual restrictions (there were none just guidance) in order to hopefully guilt/shame/fear enough lemmings into doing what they're told by the incompetent authorities.

freak scence

close the schools disease ridden kids

plodder

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The map is certainly helpful, who would have thought that Dublin South East was west of Dublin South! UCD going back will likely move the latter up the league table pretty quickly.

Bizarre. A bit like the Dáil constituencies of Dublin Bay North/South. Nobody actually lives in Dublin Bay.

We don't do public data or data mapping very well in this country. But, Ive been looking for those HSE maps today, so thanks to the IT for publishing them.

Airyfairy12

They need to start locking down counties, it's only September and flu season hasn't even started yet, makes no sense why they dont as so many people can work from home, schools could easily have gone back to online learning for a couple of weeks if only the department of education had pulled the finger out and organised some sort of suitable online school plan for short term lockdowns!
I hope im wrong but can see our health care system getting completely overwhelmed this Winter, how quickly people forget what happened in Italy and other countries that were hit badly in the first wave.

poisonated

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The map is certainly helpful, who would have thought that Dublin South East was west of Dublin South! UCD going back will likely move the latter up the league table pretty quickly.



People can come in from places with less infection, just as they will continue to be allowed move around in Kerry or Donegal.

My understanding is that people in UCD will have online classes only until January.

plodder

It's a pity that counties are the only administrative unit that people are really familiar with. Though at least Dublin has its old (and new) postcode areas as reasonable sub-divisions should localised restrictions be required. I think it's fairly clear though that the entire county is not going to be treated as one unit.