Was the cop in the right ?

Justin Credible Darts

I think the cop should have maced the scouser
https://twitter.com/seanie_IV/status/1301630404747767808

TheValeyard

There was only one way that was going to end. Seriously doubt he had a medical condition preventing wearing of a mask.

Temptamperu

If you have a "medical condition" that prevents you from wearing a mask... should you be out in public?

Gatling

Scouselivesmatter not really

Surreptitious

Internal Affairs were setting him up

byronbay2

Where was the back-up? That looked like it was going to turn VERY nasty and the (middle-aged) copper seemed to be completely alone!

KungPao

Okay, calm down, calm down.

CB19Kevo

Well if he had followed the request it would not have escalated.
Hard to know if the cop was right or not,dont think it was wise getting physical without assistance. As was said already i could see it getting very violent very quickly.

AllForIt

Why didn't he just give the lad a mask in an attempt to defuse the situation. Yes, the cop should carry them on them. If he wasn't so aggressive, I mean the cop, the lad might have just put it on, if only for that particular journey.

I don't think it's a big deal if say 10% refuse to wear a mask. The net effect of 90% wearing them and 10% not won't make much difference in the long run.

In my experience British police aren't that nice to people over largely trivial things.

Potential-Monke

Yer man is one of those "I'm not resisting" types that seems to think that when given a direction (covered by law I believe but not as au fait with UK law) simply refusing and sitting there like a spoiled child is not resisting, and then gets bent out of shape when the law covered physical action is required. Granted, unlike a lot of others, he didn't lash out but was still resisting. Silly of the cop to go there without backup, but one is sometimes left on your own and will only get a backup call rather than initial assistance.

But again, it's hard to know what happened because we're only getting the event, instead of the lead up. We don't know what was said or shown before the video started recording (which I'd imagine only happened as they knew they were in the wrong and wanted 'evidence' of the cop doing cop things). Would like to have seen the rest of what happened.

endacl

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the cop should have maced the scouser...

... across the kneecaps with actual medieval mace and left him with a medical condition.

Justin Credible Darts

I think the cop handled it wrong.

Should have asked him to get off the public transport, and then if the scouse victim complex sufferer refused, baton him and mace him.
He did not seem medically ill when he was fronting up to the cop, and judging by his behavior and that of his friend it was obvious they were far from pillars of the community

AllForIt

As an asthmatic I find them hard to wear for an extended period of time.


edit: on that point, I've seen ppl with masks that have holes around the mouth area. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of wearing them?

Potential-Monke

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the cop handled it wrong.

Should have asked him to get off the public transport, and then if the scouse victim complex sufferer refused, baton him and mace him.
He did not seem medically ill when he was fronting up to the cop, and judging by his behavior and that of his friend it was obvious they were far from pillars of the community

Ah, i'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Cop was called because someone on public transport wasn't wearing a mask, asked him to wear one or get off, yer man refused on both accounts, and the video started recording then. Doubt the cop just decided to go straight for him just because he wasn't wearing a mask.

Also, baton him and mace him, things that do happen, but have proper procedure and are only to be used if required. He did eventually mace him, but only after he started physically resisting he decided mace is a good call (because too many friends of yer man around, imo).

Crappy situation for cops to be in, even here in Ireland. Last thing they want is to enforce these regulations, but like yer man in the video has proven, it has to be enforced. Someone else might have been watching this thinking, well, if he's not wearing one, I'm not going to wear one. Now we see there are consequences to that, so that person may decided to keep wearing the mask to avoid a similar situation. So while it's crap it needs to be done, it has to be done. We, humanity, have proven time and time again we can't depend on our own species to look after one another.

freshpopcorn

Basically if you look at that page it's essentially Gemma O'Dorothy in the UK and you know what her and her followers are like!

begbysback

I’ve watched so many incidents with US police on twitter lately that any of these videos I see which ends with the civilian having no holes in him is now deemed a happy ending.

Rubberchikken

Does it really matter if the odd person doesn't/won't wear a mask.
Police just jack boot over the simplest things sometimes

YFlyer

Was that Jamie Carragher? Coronavirus could have been going everywhere.

Strumms

AllForIt wrote: »

Why didn't he just give the lad a mask in an attempt to defuse the situation. Yes, the cop should carry them on them. If he wasn't so aggressive, I mean the cop, the lad might have just put it on, if only for that particular journey.

I don't think it's a big deal if say 10% refuse to wear a mask. The net effect of 90% wearing them and 10% not won't make much difference in the long run.

In my experience British police aren't that nice to people over largely trivial things.

Ahhh but People need to take responsibility for their actions... why should the police officer supply his mask to him, if it was here, I’m not going to be too enthused with the state , paying out money, in addition to the covid payment to procure tens of thousands of masks to throw to people who don’t value their own health and those of the rest of us to be arsed enough to buy and wear a bit of material that costs a couple of euros to buy. He just looks like a belligerent ahole. In fact he is...

Sam Quentin

I would not expect to be spoken to like that if I was a Police Man for my Country.

Strumms

If he doesn’t have shoes maybe he can ring his local Garda station and they’ll ask what size and bring him a pair of converse AND a mask.

Justin Credible Darts

maybe its just me, but growing up in the 70s and 80s if you acted like that towards a guard you got a hiding judging by many people I knew

Potential-Monke

The fear was a great deterrent in fairness. None of that these days.

AllForIt

Strumms wrote: »

Ahhh but People need to take responsibility for their actions... why should the police officer supply his mask to him, if it was here, I’m not going to be too enthused with the state , paying out money, in addition to the covid payment to procure tens of thousands of masks to throw to people who don’t value their own health and those of the rest of us to be arsed enough to buy and wear a bit of material that costs a couple of euros to buy. He just looks like a belligerent ahole. In fact he is...

I appreciate your points. But I'm just trying to be both realistic and pragmatic about it.

Let's face it, some ppl are a bit thick. How do you manage those kinds of ppl in a pandemic situation?

I really don't think coming across as the heavy is a good look. It might just inflame public option about the restrictions which people have a right to object to.

J. Marston

Is there a more revolting accent than scouse?

Lewis_Benson

J. Marston wrote: »

Is there a more revolting accent than scouse?

Inner city Dublin Skanger accent
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An Ri rua

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Basically if you look at that page it's essentially Gemma O'Dorothy in the UK and you know what her and her followers are like!

We're not in Kansas now Dorothy.... we're in the UK...

KungPao

J. Marston wrote: »

Is there a more revolting accent than scouse?

Californian D4 is worse.

I quite like the Liverpudlian accent, maybe because I grew up loving Thomas the Tank Engine, narrated by the one true talent in the Beatles.

Justin Credible Darts

scouse is my all time most despised accent. It sounds like they are trying to chew their own teeth whilst gargling semen.

Second has to be that from the worlds largest penal colony...australia.

third is the Kerry accent.

oh and the cork accent....and I am from cork......which is like a cross between a whimpering german shepherd, and a simpleton on helium


Oddly I like the geordie accent, and even the dublin accent and the welsh seems ok,

ohnonotgmail

There is a reply to that tweet from the British Transport Police that says they were called because that guy was spitting on people. the copper should have batoned him.

Your Face

Mace them all.

Psychiatric Patrick

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the cop handled it wrong.

Should have asked him to get off the public transport, and then if the scouse victim complex sufferer refused, baton him and mace him.
He did not seem medically ill when he was fronting up to the cop, and judging by his behavior and that of his friend it was obvious they were far from pillars of the community

Cop did ask him to leave. The toe rag can be heard saying "no not getting off"

I would like to know how it ended. And would have been nice to hear the passengers lending vocal support to the cop or something, even by telling the yob with the camera to get bent.

Psychiatric Patrick

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

scouse is my all time most despised accent. It sounds like they are trying to chew their own teeth whilst gargling semen.

Second has to be that from the worlds largest penal colony...australia.

third is the Kerry accent.

oh and the cork accent....and I am from cork......which is like a cross between a whimpering german shepherd, and a simpleton on helium


Oddly I like the geordie accent, and even the dublin accent and the welsh seems ok,

Scouse accent and that assault on the senses that is the accent of Northern Ireland.

I like the various vocals of the southern US states but it takes a menacing turn when you hear it from cops on lonely country road - even when those cops don't mean you harm.

Gerry Hatrick

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the cop handled it wrong.

Should have asked him to get off the public transport, and then if the scouse victim complex sufferer refused, baton him and mace him.
He did not seem medically ill when he was fronting up to the cop, and judging by his behavior and that of his friend it was obvious they were far from pillars of the community

Scouse victim complex? Do explain.

Gerry Hatrick

J. Marston wrote: »

Is there a more revolting accent than scouse?

Any put on D4 accent.

Justin Credible Darts

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Scouse accent and that assault on the senses that is the accent of Northern Ireland.

I like the various vocals of the southern US states but it takes a menacing turn when you hear it from cops on lonely country road - even when those cops don't mean you harm.

like that charleston accent in south carolina ?



Always reminded me of civil war generals, gone with the wind and spacey from house of cards

kenmm

AllForIt wrote: »

edit: on that point, I've seen ppl with masks that have holes around the mouth area. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of wearing them?

Partially - The ones with holes tend to be those for tradespeople. The mask will stop particles on the way in, but the ventilation hole doesn't have any protection on the way out (It will still stop a lot of larger bits of spit etc and some vapour will be remove by the rest of the mask).

antix80

The cop was in the right. It is the law and the cops have to enforce it, as daft as the law may be. I'd say the cop should have waited for backup... BUT .. we've all seen in the US, that can actually escalate things further. Then you have 4 cops, people around shouting "why does it take 4 cops to arrest one person", the person being arrested might do stupid things like trying to grab mace.. and they could end up being pinned to the ground.

Being a cop seems like a fairly thankless job.

Psychiatric Patrick

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

like that charleston accent in south carolina ?



Always reminded me of civil war generals, gone with the wind and spacey from house of cards

Yes that is the type.

They didn't even say anything remotely threatening and lead me onto the main road but I still expected some horrendous fate and had to fight the urge to speed off - which would have got me arrested. :P

Psychiatric Patrick

antix80 wrote: »

The cop was in the right. It is the law and the cops have to enforce it, as daft as the law may be. I'd say the cop should have waited for backup... BUT .. we've all seen in the US, that can actually escalate things further. Then you have 4 cops, people around shouting "why does it take 4 cops to arrest one person", the person being arrested might do stupid things like trying to grab mace.. and they could end up being pinned to the ground.

Being a cop seems like a fairly thankless job.

Only one other person was shouting.

Hard to believe the other people would have been shouting at the cops. Most people are willing to wear the masks,

Temptamperu

Temptamperu wrote: »

If you have a "medical condition" that prevents you from wearing a mask... should you be out in public?

Should you be shouting and able to fight off the cops :pac::pac:

JohnnyFlash

Your Face wrote: »

Mace them all.

Some fella gets to drive and operate the water cannon. Talk about job satisfaction.

Pkiernan

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Silly scouser.

bassy

lovely council estate scummers that blemish the honest council estate folk.............................

the beer revolu

bassy wrote: »

lovely council estate scummers that blemish the honest council estate folk.............................

So why mention council estates?

Gerry Hatrick

bassy wrote: »

lovely council estate scummers that blemish the honest council estate folk.............................

What's council estates got to do with this?

nthclare

the beer revolu wrote: »

So why mention council estates?

Id say he's from Birkenhead...

Lewis_Benson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

There is a reply to that tweet from the British Transport Police that says they were called because that guy was spitting on people. the copper should have batoned him.

One crack across the arm, broken elbow, that would put a stop to his antics.

ohnonotgmail

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

One crack across the arm, broken elbow, that would put a stop to his antics.

i was thinking more a crack across the shins but i am willing to accept what you suggest.

Beechwoodspark

Some are saying this idiot was reportedly spitting at ppl prior to the incident

ohnonotgmail

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Some are saying this idiot was reportedly spitting at ppl prior to the incident

that is what the British Transport Police said in a reply to the tweet. It is the reason they turned up.