Leinster vs Munster, Fri 4th Sept 7:35pm, Eir Sport / Eir Sport FB page

thomond2006

Munster:
Shane Daly; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray;
Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, Stephen Archer; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, James Cronin, John Ryan, Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, Craig Casey, Rory Scannell, Mike Haley.

Clegg

Munster

Thought Munster would've went with Wycherley as that front five seems underpowered. Although for Leinster I don't think Ryan is available yet and Toner will probably start to bolster the set piece. Munsters lack of power may not be as noticeable.

Clegg

Munster

Leinster side:

Healy
Kelleher
Porter
Toner
Fardy
Doris
Connors
Conan

McGrath
Sexton
Lowe
Henshaw
Ringrose
Keenan
Larmour

Subs:
Cronin
Ed Byrne
Bent
Baird
VDF
JGP
Ross Byrne
ROL

Buer

Tasty calls on wing and open side.

thomond2006

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Jordan Larmour (47)
14. Hugo Keenan (15)
13. Garry Ringrose (73)
12. Robbie Henshaw (45)
11. James Lowe (44)
10. Johnny Sexton (164) CAPTAIN
9. Luke McGrath (124)
1. Cian Healy (217)
2. Rónan Kelleher (12)
3. Andrew Porter (63)
4. Devin Toner (246)
5. Scott Fardy (59)
6. Caelan Doris (30)
7. Will Connors (17)
8. Jack Conan (90)

16. Seán Cronin (183)
17. Ed Byrne (54)
18. Michael Bent (137)
19. Ryan Baird (8)
20. Josh van der Flier (81)
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (90)
22. Ross Byrne (86)
23. Rory O’Loughlin (68)

thomond2006

I'm going to regret saying it but Munster have a real opportunity against that side. The Leinster pack is not the same without Furlong and Ryan but our pack is underpowered also. If Kilcoyne, Kleyn and Snyman were available I'd back us to win it. I still think we've a shot mind.

Keenan and Larmour better be ready because Murray is going to test them in the air.

There's a few interesting selections by Munster. Archer ahead of Ryan at TH, JOD at 7 and Haley on the bench despite no minutes in a 5-3 split.

Guinness RFC

It’s a career defining match for Kelleher. Hit your man in the lineout and he’s first choice. Fail and his whole career could be in jeopardy. I honestly don’t know why Cullen has started him against the best defensive lineout in Europe after his last showing. Perhaps to redeem himself. It’s a risky move and one I have a bad feeling about

yerrahbah

Guinness RFC wrote: »

It’s a career defining match for Kelleher. Hit your man in the lineout and he’s first choice. Fail and his whole career could be in jeopardy. I honestly don’t know why Cullen has started him against the best defensive lineout in Europe after his last showing. Perhaps to redeem himself. It’s a risky move and one I have a bad feeling about

That seems a bit extreme

The Lost Sheep

Neil Francis

Guinness RFC wrote: »

It’s a career defining match for Kelleher. Hit your man in the lineout and he’s first choice. Fail and his whole career could be in jeopardy. I honestly don’t know why Cullen has started him against the best defensive lineout in Europe after his last showing. Perhaps to redeem himself. It’s a risky move and one I have a bad feeling about

Its not near that. He wont be first choice if he hits his lineouts and if he doesnt his career or chances of playing international level or anything else isnt going to be at risk.

Clegg

Munster

No 6-2 split this week. Would've been tempted to go with that again to bring Ruddock's heft into the side.

Presumably Connors is there to man mark Stander. Really impressed by his tackle technique and work rate. Slight worry that some of his hits verge on no arms chops though.

Dave_The_Sheep

Would you look at that. Munster. Cheating before the game's even begun!



But yeah, on a slightly more serious note, I've a sneaking feeling Munster might pip this.

sydthebeat

Munster

Leinster by 14

i could only see one of that munster starting pack forcing their way onto a Leinster starting 15.
leinster have had 2 weeks to plan and rest for the game, whereas munster have had 5 days.

pressure will win out

Former Former

Just for posterity, Paddy Power has Leinster as 8-pt favourites (10/11). I think it will be a lot closer than that.

I don't think the Leinster cupboard has ever been as bare in the back three. Keenan is decent but very raw on the wing. Lowe was a non-entity the first day against Munster so hopefully he's a bit more involved.

Leinster bench much better than Munster's but the first XVs are as closely matched as they've been in a while.

Clegg

Munster

Wonder how close Ryan and Leavy were to making the squad. Lancaster was talking them up as challenging for a spot earlier this week. In the case of Leavy I can't see him playing this season. Reckon this was the last chance for him to make a squad. If we win then he won't be risked for a final. If we lose he still won't be risked for the Saracens QF.

yerrahbah

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster:
Shane Daly; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray;
Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, Stephen Archer; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, James Cronin, John Ryan, Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, Craig Casey, Rory Scannell, Mike Haley.

JOD has probably had his best season in a Munster Jersey.

Looking for a big performance from him

Podge_irl

Is it bad I no longer keep track of how many wins in a row Leinster are on?

:pac:

arsebiscuits1

Munster

Jordan Larmour v Shane Daly - Larmour currently the better fullback
Hugo Keenan v Andrew Conway - Conway the standout 14 in Ireland currently
Garry Ringrose v Chris Farrell - Ringrose offers a lot more than Farrell
Robbie Henshaw v Damian de Allende - Draw. de Allende probably the higher ceiling but still needs to bed into Munster system
James Lowe v Keith Earls - Earls still got it. But Lowe tends to bring his best against Munster. Might well pip him
Johnny Sexton v JJ Hanrahan - No contest
Luke McGrath v Conor Murray - No contest
Cian Healy v Jeremy Loughman - No contest
Rónan Kelleher v Niall Scannell - Much more rounded game to Scannell. Hopefully he can fix his throwing which had been very strong this season
Andrew Porter v Stephen Archer - No contest
Devin Toner v Tadgh Beirne - Beirne coming off a very strong showing
Scott Fardy v Billy Holland - Unquestionably the better of these 2 vets
Caelan Doris v Peter O'Mahony - Pete still tops it. But the gap is ever closing. Doris not far off
Will Connors v Jack O'Donoghue - Connors started the season strong and offers more at 7 that JOD
Jack Conan v CJ Stander - Restarted the season strongly. Excellent turnovers so far. But Conan still offers a hell of a lot

Seán Cronin v Kevin O'Byrne - No contest
Ed Byrne v James Cronin - Offers more around the park. For me a stronger scrummager
Michael Bent v John Ryan - probably a stronger all around game to Bent
Ryan Baird v Fineen Wycherly - Wycherly has his fans. Baird the superior player for me
Josh van der Flier v Chris Cloete - Not really much contest here. Cloete a decent player but a bit of a liability
Jamison Gibson-Park v Craig Casey - Casey has an excellent pass and is filling that "petit generale" role. JGP has a better kicking, tackling and running game as well as significant knockout rugby experience
Ross Byrne v Rory Scannell - Not really applicable as they're different positions. Byrne a better 10 than Scannell is a 12 though
Rory O’Loughlin v Mike Haley - As above. Offer cover in different positions. Probably as good as each other in their respective positions
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vapor trails

Munster

JVF - He could easily go from Irish starting 7 to 3rd choice for Leinster very quickly

Clegg

Munster

I think Leinster win by 5. Munster have strengthened their starting 15 and even with Snyman out they have a proper ball carrying threat in De Allende. But, their front 5 isn't particularly impressive which is where Leinster will hopefully make hay. Beirne is a good player, but if this game becomes an arm wrestle I don't think he'll square up well.

Where Munster could win though is at lineout and breakdown. Three very good poachers at lineout threats in PoM and Beirne. Leinster had the edge in the scrum last time round I think. If they can sort out their lineout things become difficult for Munster.

Podge_irl

Toner is obviously starting to address the line out issues. It was largely what kept Munster in the game last time out.

Miriam Gonzalez Durantez

vapor trails wrote: »

JVF - He could easily go from Irish starting 7 to 3rd choice for Leinster very quickly

I still think Josh is still probably first choice. I think he will start against Sarries but I could be wrong. Connors offers much the same as VDF except he is bigger but not as fit or fast. Interesting selection.

molloyjh

Munster

For me Connors is there to shut down any fluidity in the Munster attack. We saw 2 weeks ago that if you put pressure on at source they struggle to put any great shape on their attack. Connors can use his line speed to disrupt very effectively.

ionadnapokot

Munster

Really looking forward to this.

Could be one of those defining games for Larmour at FB.
I hope Munster kick it away all day down on him. It should benefit him in long run. Hopefully!

de Allende v Sexton should be another good match up. Sexton got ratty with him after de Allende came through a ruck at him.

Lineout will be a fascinating battle. Hopefully it can be a confidence builder for Kelleher.

& would like to see Beirne have a good game.

Miriam Gonzalez Durantez

molloyjh wrote: »

For me Connors is there to shut down any fluidity in the Munster attack. We saw 2 weeks ago that if you put pressure on at source they struggle to put any great shape on their attack. Connors can use his line speed to disrupt very effectively.

And who started that game at 7?

I think we have seen a selection with a view to the future and not necessarily the best performers so far this season. Otherwise how can he select Kelleher over Cronin and how can he select Larmour after having a mare in the air against Munster. He’s blooding youngsters and showing faith in them despite what should be a horses for courses selection.

No mention so far that munster haven't rotated their squad at all and have a 5 turn around. Could be gassed by 60 mins.

Vinnie222

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No mention so far that munster haven't rotated their squad at all and have a 5 turn around. Could be gassed by 60 mins.

Most player need 2/3 games to get up to speed after a long lay off.

sydthebeat

Munster

Deleted User wrote: »

No mention so far that munster haven't rotated their squad at all and have a 5 turn around. Could be gassed by 60 mins.

have you got me on ignore??

Dunmoreroader

Neil Francis

yerrahbah wrote: »

JOD has probably had his best season in a Munster Jersey.

Looking for a big performance from him

Yep, he's had such bad luck with injuries and watching the procession of backrow talent emerge at Leinster pushing him down the pecking order for an Ireland recall, now's your time Jacko! (Que: Eminen - Lose Yourself)

Up de Deise!!(I mean Munster )

Yeah_Right

I have a bad feeling that Leinster are going to hammer them.

AbusesToilets

Munster

If Leinster fix their lineout, I think they will.won comfortably. Their ability to create attacking opportunities is a lot better than Munster's presently. Without being gifted field position, I see Munster struggling to drive down and work a score.

Think it's a mistake also to not start Casey over Murray, his delivery helped out JJ immensely. Murray is back to his 2011 glacial worst.

Former Former

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have a bad feeling that Leinster are going to hammer them.

Sounds like a good feeling to me

salmocab

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have a bad feeling that Leinster are going to hammer them.

It’s spelt warm fuzzy

Poorside

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If Leinster fix their lineout, I think they will.won comfortably. Their ability to create attacking opportunities is a lot better than Munster's presently. Without being gifted field position, I see Munster struggling to drive down and work a score.

Think it's a mistake also to not start Casey over Murray, his delivery helped out JJ immensely. Murray is back to his 2011 glacial worst.

Ah, the old ones are the best, Murray is playing quite well, just because he's not flinging out doesn't mean he's playing badly.
He's also a bloody good sweeper and that will be needed as Leinster are developing the kick in behind in the 22 as an option.

Buer

Poorside wrote: »

Ah, the old ones are the best, Murray is playing quite well, just because he's not flinging out doesn't mean he's playing badly.
He's also a bloody good sweeper and that will be needed as Leinster are developing the kick in behind in the 22 as an option.

I saw a lot of this after the last meeting between the two sides. People were gushing in their praise of Casey whilst critical of Murray somewhat.

Murray had a very good game. Passed accurately and controlled the game. His kicking was superb and a major source of position for Munster.

Casey came on late against 14 men for the first few minutes. It was also a one score game where Leinster clearly were not contesting rucks for fear of conceding yet another breakdown penalty. Everyone on the field was also shattered. Casey had the ball on a plate with no pressure and the requirement was to pass only and give clean ball to Hanrahan.

If Casey had started, he'd have endured a far tougher examination. He would have needed to demonstrate a kicking game as well as varying the attack and attempting to take the ball into contact. Until we see him do that when starting against a half decent side and show he's more than able to deliver, there's no way he is getting the nod ahead of CM.

arsebiscuits1

Munster

Buer wrote: »

I saw a lot of this after the last meeting between the two sides. People were gushing in their praise of Casey whilst critical of Murray somewhat.

Murray had a very good game. Passed accurately and controlled the game. His kicking was superb and a major source of position for Munster.

Casey came on late against 14 men for the first few minutes. It was also a one score game where Leinster clearly were not contesting rucks for fear of conceding yet another breakdown penalty. Everyone on the field was also shattered. Casey had the ball on a plate with no pressure and the requirement was to pass only and give clean ball to Hanrahan.

If Casey had started, he'd have endured a far tougher examination. He would have needed to demonstrate a kicking game as well as varying the attack and attempting to take the ball into contact. Until we see him do that when starting against a half decent side and show he's more than able to deliver, there's no way he is getting the nod ahead of CM.

I agree.

I think Casey has a bright future and it's certainly impressive that he's gotten himself to number 2.

But I have yet to see a kicking, defending or general support game that suggests he should be starting knockout rugby matches

aloooof

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I agree.

I think Casey has a bright future and it's certainly impressive that he's gotten himself to number 2.

But I have yet to see a kicking, defending or general support game that suggests he should be starting knockout rugby matches

Casey's box kicking has looked pretty good when we've seen it, but absolutely agree with previous 2 posts. There's no way he would or should be starting here.

thomond2006

phog wrote: »

For those of you that don't have access to eir sport they are also broadcasting the match on the eir Sport Facebook page

Transcribed from the team thread. Cheers phog!

AbusesToilets

Munster

Buer wrote: »

I saw a lot of this after the last meeting between the two sides. People were gushing in their praise of Casey whilst critical of Murray somewhat.

Murray had a very good game. Passed accurately and controlled the game. His kicking was superb and a major source of position for Munster.

Casey came on late against 14 men for the first few minutes. It was also a one score game where Leinster clearly were not contesting rucks for fear of conceding yet another breakdown penalty. Everyone on the field was also shattered. Casey had the ball on a plate with no pressure and the requirement was to pass only and give clean ball to Hanrahan.

If Casey had started, he'd have endured a far tougher examination. He would have needed to demonstrate a kicking game as well as varying the attack and attempting to take the ball into contact. Until we see him do that when starting against a half decent side and show he's more than able to deliver, there's no way he is getting the nod ahead of CM.

It's a touch chicken and egg tho, can't start until he proves it against better opposition, but can't do that without getting a chance to. For my mind, I'd value his speed of distribution over Murray's box kicks, even allowing for the differing circumstances of the game state from last time out. Feel speed is the key to getting the best out of the Munster backs, and Murray just doesn't have that presently.

shootermacg

Neil Francis

AbusesToilets wrote: »

It's a touch chicken and egg tho, can't start until he proves it against better opposition, but can't do that without getting a chance to. For my mind, I'd value his speed of distribution over Murray's box kicks, even allowing for the differing circumstances of the game state from last time out. Feel speed is the key to getting the best out of the Munster backs, and Murray just doesn't have that presently.

It's a fair argument. Murray needs a bit of direction from the coaches to speed things up.
He's currently looking around for a play, which is generally slowing play down. The 10 usually sees the picture before the nine, so he needs to let the 10 start calling the shots.

Clegg

Munster

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1301521157632528384?s=19

ionadnapokot

Munster

aloooof wrote: »

Casey's box kicking has looked pretty good when we've seen it, but absolutely agree with previous 2 posts. There's no way he would or should be starting here.

He's a nice left foot on him. Which is always useful for clearance kicks when close to RH touchline.

Murray/Casey are a good foil for Munster.
Lightning quick to the base of the ruck and far quicker in his pass.
I think he's left handed. A little less accurate off his LH side?

I hope Munster are still in the game when he comes on around '70

Hasn't quite yet earned his his stripes for Test arena but i would hope he can be brought into the fold sooner rather than later.
Ideal option for springing off the bench.

Yeah_Right

Former Former wrote: »

Sounds like a good feeling to me

Yeah_Right

salmocab wrote: »

It’s spelt warm fuzzy

See above.

lawrencesummers

Leinster won't be as bad from Lineout or receiving box kicks this time around, that was the only think that kept Munster in the game.

Leinster by 20 pulling up in the last 15-20 mins and emptying the bench to give lads a run.

CMcsporty

I can see the logic for Connors ahead of VdF.
Primarily because he’s the no.1 for the Pro14.
VdF will probably start v Saracens.
https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1301551826504945664?s=21

mfceiling

Clegg wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1301521157632528384?s=19

Can this be casted from a phone straight to a tele?

Brief_Lives

Clegg wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1301521157632528384?s=19

Is this only the island of ireland? probably...
still, i'll check at the time... anything is better than a stream a few seconds behind...

Quin_Dub

Assume the Facebook broadcast is because of the Virgin Media spat?

Good news regardless of reason though.

AbusesToilets

Munster

More importantly than the teams or ref, who is the commentary team?

Poorside

mfceiling wrote: »

Can this be casted from a phone straight to a tele?

Don't think so, there's something on there now do I tried to cart it,no option for it.

arsebiscuits1

Munster

The Facebook stream is good and makes my life slightly easier. I got a premier sports subscription and vpn to it. Worked a treat the last few weeks.

Smart by Eir. They'd need viewers on this game which much fewer people can do now since virgin is such a large provider.

And also a clever way to paint themselves as the good guys to the public in this Virgin dispute