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Champions Cup 2020/2021 General Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Once we get the season played I can get over any hangups I have about the format.


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭ pjdarcy


    It's as confusing as the UEFA Nations League, luckily it's only for one season. Video explanation here


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭ Squidgy Black


    pjdarcy wrote: »
    It's as confusing as the UEFA Nations League, luckily it's only for one season. Video explanation here

    Wouldn't be entirely sure about that, especially if the South African super rugby teams so end up joining the Pro12/14/16 or whatever number it'll be on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭ pjdarcy


    Wouldn't be entirely sure about that, especially if the South African super rugby teams so end up joining the Pro12/14/16 or whatever number it'll be on.

    A European Cup with South African teams included? It'll be just like the Eurovision :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,955 ✭✭✭✭ PTH2009


    I'm highly confused ted

    Ah sure look at least its something to look forward to for the winter months

    Could we not just have a 1 leg QF

    Good chance for a lot of teams of winning the challenge cup from this


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭ lawrencesummers


    The 2 leg QF looks a good idea on paper, but in reality it could lead to a huge amount of cynical time wasting and defensive tactics for the away team in both legs.

    One issue is the current lack of Universal exemption for sports people across the jurisdictions Involved and the possibility of localised lockdowns affecting fixtures, but I’m sure the organisers are well aware and have planned accordingly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,997 ✭✭✭ AbusesToilets


    The 2 leg QF looks a good idea on paper, but in reality it could lead to a huge amount of cynical time wasting and defensive tactics for the away team in both legs.

    One issue is the current lack of Universal exemption for sports people across the jurisdictions Involved and the possibility of localised lockdowns affecting fixtures, but I’m sure the organisers are well aware and have planned accordingly.
    Have they said how it's going to work, Away tries or anything like that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭ pjdarcy


    Have they said how it's going to work, Away tries or anything like that?

    If it's a draw at the end of the second leg of the quarter final, extra time will be played. If it's still a draw after extra time the winner will be determined as follows:

    a. the club that has scored the most tries over the two legs

    b. if equal, a place kick competition


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Have they said how it's going to work, Away tries or anything like that?
    extra time and if remains level at end of extra time team with most tries qualifies and if thats equal there will be a place kicking contest


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ yerrahbah


    Champions cup Draw is on today

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2020/10/27/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-heineken-champions-cup-pool-stage-draw-and-the-european-rugby-challenge-cup/

    Qualified teams:

    Tier 1: Leinster Rugby, Ulster Rugby, Bordeaux-Bègles, Lyon, Exeter Chiefs, Wasps

    Tier 2: Edinburgh Rugby, Munster Rugby, Racing 92, RC Toulon, Bristol Bears, Bath Rugby,

    Tier 3: Scarlets, Connacht Rugby, La Rochelle, ASM Clermont Auvergne, Sale Sharks, Harlequins

    Tier 4: Glasgow Warriors, Dragons, Toulouse, Montpellier, Gloucester Rugby, Northampton Saints



    Two groups of 12 with each group containing 3 teams from each tier (One from Pro 14, one from Gallagher Prem and one from Top 14)

    4 teams qualify from each group

    In the groups Tier 1 teams will play Tier 4 teams, Tier 2 teams will play Tier 3 teams

    Each team will have 4 group games, two home, two away

    Leinster are in Tier 1, so they will play Toulouse or Montpellier AND Gloucester Rugby or Northampton Saints,

    You don't play teams from your own domestic league


    From a Munster POV, we are in Tier 2, so we are looking to draw the weaker of the Tier 1 teams, the stronger of the Tier 4 teams, The Weaker Tier 2 and Tier 3 teams, but looking for a strong Tier 3 team from from the Pro14

    IMO the best case scenario for Munster

    Ulster
    Bordeaux
    Wasps
    Munster
    Toulon
    Bath
    Connacht
    La Rochelle
    Quins
    Dragons
    Toulouse
    Gloucester


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    First world problem alert but the draw is a lot less exciting when you realise it's highly unlikely that travel to away games will be possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,433 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster


    First world problem alert but the draw is a lot less exciting when you realise it's highly unlikely that travel to away games will be possible.


    Nor is travel to home games likely :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ yerrahbah


    First world problem alert but the draw is a lot less exciting when you realise it's highly unlikely that travel to away games will be possible.

    A trip to Clermont would have been nice


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭ Buer


    yerrahbah wrote: »

    IMO the best case scenario for Munster

    Ulster
    Bordeaux
    Wasps
    Munster
    Toulon
    Bath
    Connacht
    La Rochelle
    Quins
    Dragons
    Toulouse
    Gloucester

    Best case scenario is to have the strongest possible Pro14 teams in your pool. Munster won't have to play them and they will take points from others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ Boscoirl


    i am dizzy from trying to work that out :(

    edit: I understood domestic league as the provinces first, but when you read it as ProXX it makes sense


  • Subscribers Posts: 36,231 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    i think this compeition will be a clusterfcuk of walk overs and different "bubble" and testing standards causing pre-game issues.

    and that doesn't at all take the lack of meritocracy and convolutedness of the whole arrangement into account.

    The competition will really only start at semi final level (home and away legs of knock out games is stupid in the extreme)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ yerrahbah


    Buer wrote: »
    Best case scenario is to have the strongest possible Pro14 teams in your pool. Munster won't have to play them and they will take points from others.

    Id rather have Ulster than Leinster as the Tier 1 team in my (Munsters) group

    More of a chance of Ulster dropping points vs the Tier 4 teams and that increases the chances of Munster going through at Ulsters expense


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭ siltirocker


    Racing 92, RC Toulon, Bristol Bears, Bath Rugby.

    Can't see Connacht winning any of those potential games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭ Buer


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Id rather have Ulster than Leinster as the Tier 1 team in my (Munsters) group

    More of a chance of Ulster dropping points vs the Tier 4 teams and that increases the chances of Munster going through at Ulsters expense

    I was more thinking Connacht over Scarlets and Dragons over Glasgow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ yerrahbah


    Buer wrote: »
    I was more thinking Connacht over Scarlets and Dragons over Glasgow.

    Fair enough,

    I guess Connacht (the Cardiff game aside) have started the season well and not many teams will relish going to the sportsground on a wet November evening


    Not much between Dragons and Glasgow for me, Glasgow aren't the team they used to be and the Dragons are putting together a decent side


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭ Digifriendly


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Not much between Dragons and Glasgow for me, Glasgow aren't the team they used to be and the Dragons are putting together a decent side

    I did think that about Dragons but after their heavy defeats to Leinster and Ulster I am having second thoughts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭ Dave_The_Sheep


    POOL A (with opponents in brackets)
    Bordeaux-Bègles (Dragons, Northampton Saints)
    Leinster Rugby (Montpellier, Northampton Saints)
    Wasps (Dragons, Montpellier)
    Bath Rugby (La Rochelle, Scarlets)
    Edinburgh Rugby (La Rochelle, Sale Sharks)
    RC Toulon (Sale Sharks, Scarlets)
    La Rochelle (Bath Rugby, Edinburgh Rugby)
    Sale Sharks (Edinburgh Rugby, RC Toulon)
    Scarlets (Bath Rugby, RC Toulon)
    Dragons (Bordeaux-Bègles, Wasps)
    Montpellier (Leinster Rugby, Wasps)
    Northampton Saints (Bordeaux-Bègles, Leinster Rugby)

    POOL B (with opponents in brackets)
    Exeter Chiefs (Glasgow Warriors, Toulouse)
    Lyon (Glasgow Warriors, Gloucester Rugby)
    Ulster Rugby (Gloucester Rugby, Toulouse)
    Bristol Bears (ASM Clermont Auvergne, Connacht Rugby)
    Munster Rugby (ASM Clermont Auvergne, Harlequins)
    Racing 92 (Connacht Rugby, Harlequins)
    ASM Clermont Auvergne (Bristol Bears, Munster Rugby)
    Connacht Rugby (Bristol Bears, Racing 92)
    Harlequins (Munster Rugby, Racing 92)
    Glasgow Warriors (Exeter Chiefs, Lyon)
    Gloucester Rugby (Lyon, Ulster)
    Toulouse (Exeter Chiefs, Ulster Rugby)


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,571 ✭✭✭✭ partyjungle


    Do you play the team in brackets twice?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭ yerrahbah


    Do you play the team in brackets twice?

    Yup, home and away


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Do you play the team in brackets twice?
    Yes. everyone plays 4 games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ Boscoirl


    the games look fairly balanced in each group, cant really pick a team that has gotten an "easy ride"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 180 ✭✭ WhoamI2022


    Leinster are ok. I think Montpellier had to sell off loads of squad after they got caught breaking salary cap? or am I wrong? Northampton took a nose dive after the Leinster games last season. Don't expect much them to beat Leinster home/away.

    Ulster should beat Glou, maybe at home they can win v Toulouse.

    Munster should beat Clermont at home, probably lose away. I would expect them to beat Quins home & away

    Connacht just have nightmare draw, Bristol Bears are some outfit and Racing not too bad either. Pat Lam coming back is a bit of a story


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