Why do we care about American politics?

Zookey123

This might seem like an odd question but im starting to see more and more interest in American politics here. Whether its the BLM, anti immigrant propaganda or pro/anti trump, people are constantly talking about American politics it didn't used to be like this. America is clearly in a hot mess right now probably best for us to stay clear. Why should we care about their political system when they clearly couldnt care less about ours?

MadYaker

For the same reason people watch The West Wing or House of Cards. American politics is a crazy political reality TV show and I find it massively entertaining. The fact that I've no horse in the race definitely helps.

Hellotonever

Irish politics are boring. The latest scandal is a f*cking golfing event.

Meanwhile America has riots, conspiracies, violence etc etc

MadYaker

Hellotonever wrote: »

Irish politics are boring. The latest scandal is a f*cking golfing event.

Meanwhile America has riots, conspiracies, violence etc etc

Exactly, there's just so much more going on. British poltics has been fun too recently, especially the brexit drama in the house of commons.

Skyfloater

Because most people here can't speak French, German, Spanish etc. English however, we can handle.

Zookey123

Yeah I can understand people finding it entertaining but others seem to take it seriously.

MadYaker

Zookey123 wrote: »

Yeah I can understand people finding it entertaining but others seem to take it seriously.

There are a few Americans who post here and also a few Irish who are living over there.

Silentcorner

Because we live in a globalized economy, many people working here, work for American companies, a lot of the culture we consume is US culture...and the US is in the middle of a culture war at the moment which is impacting our society or culture.

Ignoring US or European politics is no longer an option for us.

Zookey123

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because we live in a globalized economy, many people working here, work for American companies, a lot of the culture we consume is US culture...and the US is in the middle of a culture war at the moment which is impacting our society or culture.

Ignoring US or European politics is no longer an option for us.

Yeah I get that like my sister works for an American company remotely but that doesnt make her wear BLM shirts or MAGA hats (which I have seen multiple people wear). The problem isnt just being aware of their political system but us trying to imitate it. We have never been as polarised a society as the americans and their system would not suit us at all.

Silentcorner

Zookey123 wrote: »

Yeah I get that like my sister works for an American company remotely but that doesnt make her wear BLM shirts or MAGA hats (which I have seen multiple people wear). The problem isnt just being aware of their political system but us trying to imitate it. We have never been as polarised a society as the americans and their system would not suit us at all.

It's actually interesting in that another 4 years of America First policy cannot be good for us here, from an FDI point of view, we depend heavily on that pipeline to sustain our employment levels.

But on here, that isn't even mentioned that I can see, it seems to be much deeper emotive positions which I think is a reflection of where we are consuming our news content and the platforms we consume that content on.

I think here in the Anglosphere in particular there seems to be a deeper inflection point, in culture, media and academia, which the two party system in the US and UK are well used to, they seem to go through that every few decades, this one seems to have a lot more hysteria that is encroaching on us here in Ireland.

coinop

There are zero reasons why Ireland should be holding BLM protests. Anyone trying to claim that there is a history of institutional racism in the Gardai needs a sledgehammer across the face, repeatably. My guess is that Twitter trends have a lot to do with it. The Irish woke crowd don't want to feel left out and would never miss an opportunity for a photoshoot.

OP,

Trump... lets bring all the US companies abroad back to the US.

Biden... not such an issue.

Yeah, no impact on us at all.

Zookey123

Deleted User wrote: »

OP,

Trump... lets bring all the US companies abroad back to the US.

Biden... not such an issue.

Yeah, no impact on us at all.

Bring all US companies back to the US? How is that even feasible. What is he going to do start his own sweat shops in new york? I think its fair to say Trump is unlikely to follow through with that just like a bunch of other false promises he has made. Its time for us to ignore their circus act of a political system and just focus on our selves.

MadYaker

Zookey123 wrote: »

Bring all US companies back to the US? How is that even feasible. What is he going to do start his own sweat shops in new york? I think its fair to say Trump is unlikely to follow through with that just like a bunch of other false promises he has made. Its time for us to ignore their circus act of a political system and just focus on our selves.

I have enough brain capacity to be engaged in Irish and American politics simultaneously.

punisher5112

Biggest issues are kids are been brainwashed and sound more American every day....
Antifa is full of absolute nut jobs with brains not developed past 7 and that's an insult to 7 years which I do apologize for....

BLM is pure racist and more about their own agenda and gains.... They actually have caused more harm then good and the worst part is this is brushing off on other countries even here where things could go wrong very fast.

Zookey123

MadYaker wrote: »

I have enough brain capacity to be engaged in Irish and American politics simultaneously.

I never said you didnt. Dont understand the point of this comment.

Zookey123

punisher5112 wrote: »

Biggest issues are kids are been brainwashed and sound more American every day....
Antifa is full of absolute nut jobs with brains not developed past 7 and that's an insult to 7 years which I do apologize for....

BLM is pure racist and more about their own agenda and gains.... They actually have caused more harm then good and the worst part is this is brushing off on other countries even here where things could go wrong very fast.

BLM is an international movement now and yes we in Ireland dont really have any grounds to say there has been or is institutionalised racism since so few here are black but calling them a racist organisation requires some mental gymnastics to say the least.

Slim Charles

coinop wrote: »

There are zero reasons why Ireland should be holding BLM protests. Anyone trying to claim that there is a history of institutional racism in the Gardai needs a sledgehammer across the face, repeatably. My guess is that Twitter trends have a lot to do with it. The Irish woke crowd don't want to feel left out and would never miss an opportunity for a photoshoot.

A rare accurate post on this pile of bile site. Expect a warning or an intimidating infraction from the mods/rockers shortly though for not going with the grain.

Hellotonever

Slim Charles wrote: »

A rare accurate post on this pile of bile site. Expect a warning or an intimidating infraction from the mods/rockers shortly though for not going with the grain.

not going with the grain? Boards.ie is known for being a pro-conservative website.

Slim Charles

Zookey123 wrote: »

BLM is an international movement now and yes we in Ireland dont really have any grounds to say there has been or is institutionalised racism since so few here are black but calling them a racist organisation requires some mental gymnastics to say the least.

It really doesn't. They are fighting the perceived injustice of racism with even more racism. Read both sides of the leaflet.

Slim Charles

Hellotonever wrote: »

not going with the grain? Boards.ie is known for being a pro-conservative website.

Of course it is. It was on Sky News the other day.

dzsfah2xoynme9

I don't care about it in the slightest.


I just wanted you all to know that.


Carry on.

Hellotonever

Slim Charles wrote: »

Of course it is. It was on Sky News the other day.

I have no idea what that means. But if I was a mod I'd moderate you for trying to turn this into a BLM thread when theres already a huge one dedicated to it.

Slim Charles

Hellotonever wrote: »

I have no idea what that means. But if I was a mod I'd moderate you for trying to turn this into a BLM thread when theres already a huge one dedicated to it.

What on earth difference does it make to you whats spoken about on what thread. You're all so weirdly uptight about stuff like that. Regardless, it is a part of American politics.

Hellotonever

Slim Charles wrote: »

What on earth difference does it make to you whats spoken about on what thread. You're all so weirdly uptight about stuff like that. Regardless, it is a part of American politics.

Why are you obsessed about American politics in a thread insulting people who are obsessed with American politics?

Do people really have this little self awareness?

Zookey123

Slim Charles wrote: »

It really doesn't. They are fighting the perceived injustice of racism with even more racism. Read both sides of the leaflet.

Im not going to turn this into a BLM debate you have your opinion on it and I have mine but I think it is important to note that your attitude towards the BLM movement is exactly the point I was trying to make with this thread.

ThunbergsAreGo

MadYaker wrote: »

For the same reason people watch The West Wing or House of Cards. American politics is a crazy political reality TV show and I find it massively entertaining. The fact that I've no horse in the race definitely helps.

Absolutely, it's like watching a slow moving tragic car crash at the moment.
I would hate it to affect me

punisher5112

Antifa are absolutely crazy loopers.... BLM followers the same.... The three women founders have got more blacks killed then any other movement... Society suffers and communities destroyed and burned to the ground.

punisher5112

Watch this and see how BLM sees the world and whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd3pfsHK7r8

Zookey123

The BLM is a political group not an individual. What exactly was the point of you posting that video? I agree the BLM doesnt really have much grounds to protest here and tbf the protests have been conducted by a fairly small minority. In America is a different story just chill out and be glad your not over there.

punisher5112

Zookey123 wrote: »

The BLM is a political group not an individual. What exactly was the point of you posting that video? I agree the BLM doesnt really have much grounds to protest here and tbf the protests have been conducted by a fairly small minority. In America is a different story just chill out and be glad your not over there.

Watch it. Obviously you haven't as you comment after 4 minutes of me posting it.

It's a group founded by her and 2 other women..... They've got more black men killed due to their madness.

lsjmhar

God Bless America!!

Mad_maxx

Hellotonever wrote: »

not going with the grain? Boards.ie is known for being a pro-conservative website.

since when ?

Sunny Disposition

There is a growing cohort of idiots who live their lives on the internet and a growing subset of these think spoofing about American politics makes them sound clever. It really doesn’t.
When you hear someone, journalist or otherwise, talking about Texas turning blue or Minnesota being in play it’s very likely you have a pretentious spoofer in your midst.

Zookey123

punisher5112 wrote: »

Watch it. Obviously you haven't as you comment after 4 minutes of me posting it.

It's a group founded by her and 2 other women..... They've got more black men killed due to their madness.

I watched enough of it to get the general idea. My point is that she isnt BLM just member/co-founder. Finding dirt on her doesnt discredit the whole BLM movement. Can we stick to the topic at hand this thread isnt about the efficacy of BLM.

AMKC

The reason is because America is or at least was before Trump came it was the most powerful and influential nation on the Earth. That is why it is important to know what is going on in America. Most of the biggest, most valuable and influential companies in the world have come from America. If it was not for America we would still be like we were in the 80s on a recession with no jobs and no hope here. So yes it is important for all of us in our little country to know and watch what is going on in America because it could effect us if a big company like Intel or FB pulled out on the morning. Not only that but what America does well used to do effects the whole World. So the sooner Trump is gone and they get someone worthy of being President of the US again the better. Go Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

punisher5112

Zookey123 wrote: »

I watched enough of it to get the general idea. My point is that she isnt BLM just member/co-founder. Finding dirt on her doesnt discredit the whole BLM movement. Can we stick to the topic at hand this thread isnt about the efficacy of BLM.

But we are sticking to the thread.... Is this really what they should be fighting for, looting, murder, rape etc etc...

Why it's gathered so much traction abroad is bizarre too as we won't change it

Overheal

Because every country and its mother former empire wants to influence the American election.

Zookey123

I just dont want to see Ireland become as polarised as America when it comes to social issues. Here you will rarely ever see any far right or far left groups everyone is someone near the center which i think is healthy since it leaves plenty of room for a discussion however as we can see in this very thread a lot of Irish are being influenced by the toxic American political system.

Dr. Bre

Zookey123 wrote: »

I just dont want to see Ireland become as polarised as America when it comes to social issues. Here you will rarely ever see any far right or far left groups everyone is someone near the center which i think is healthy since it leaves plenty of room for a discussion however as we can see in this very thread a lot of Irish are being influenced by the toxic American political system.

It’s all left wing parties and no right wing in Ireland. Not healthy

Junkyard Tom

punisher5112 wrote: »

Watch this and see how BLM sees the world and whites.kd3pfsHK7r8/youtube]

This is a good example of why. People who live their lives in reactionary internet bubbles tend to get off on the US culture war.

Zookey123

Dr. Bre wrote: »

It’s all left wing parties and no right wing in Ireland. Not healthy

You want an irish version of the BNP or the EDL? There are some right wing parties such as the HDA and the national party. You also have nut cases like Gemma o'doherty running around. But they haven't been able to generate much traction due to majority of the Irish population being either center left or center right i.e. in a healthy state of mind.

Dr. Bre

Zookey123 wrote: »

You want an irish version of the BNP or the EDL? There are some right wing parties such as the HDA and the national party. You also have nut cases like Gemma o'doherty running around. But they haven't been able to generate much traction due to majority of the Irish population being either center left or center right i.e. in a healthy state of mind.

No where did I say wanted far right ? I said right which we have none

Zookey123

Dr. Bre wrote: »

No where did I say wanted far right ? I said right which we have none

I just named two. You can complain about them not having any power/support but thats what you get when you live in a democracy.

punisher5112

Antifa.com brings you straight to...... Have a look.

ThunbergsAreGo

Zookey123 wrote: »

I just named two. You can complain about them not having any power/support but thats what you get when you live in a democracy.

No they are far right

Granadino

Maybe it's down to the language. It's easier to report US news? I'm in Spain and you don't see as much coverage of US news, but I'm not online much to comment on whether they have imported the same US style politics here as you'd see elsewhere.
The whole BLM was bizarre. It was a very American thing recently, and I didn't see many marches for African black lives in the last year or so, a cause which is literally closer to home for Europeans. (I agree with the sentiment of BLM and to contradict myself, it's not just an American thing).
I'd much rather we focused on the ins and outs of European politics.

hotmail.com

Some Irish actually think they're American.

RTE has about 5 or 6 stories a day on their website. Bad weather in America makes the news here.

We're sad.

People are bored. For many people, choice to do other things is limited so they're kinda stuck with what to do online.

Most other interesting threads have been done to death, and... that leaves the US, which is always good at providing extreme debates. Helps that the topics involved encourage highly emotional outbursts, which are always fun to tweak. So.. yup.. American politics and social change is appealing right now.

CrankyHaus

I don't think we should be too complacent here in Ireland. What happened in the US and UK could certainly happen here. In fact there are signs that we're just a little behind the curve and may end up in a similar space.

Harry Palmr

It's a proxy for the (anti immigration) nationalist, socially conservative right wing in Ireland, most of which seems to be on boards these days!