Winter Bike

zindicato

onlineweb wrote: »

I’m on the lookout for a decent winter bike.

Currently have a Giant Defy Advanced 1 Carbon Frame. I would prefer not to use this on icy roads especially as it’s my good bike.

Any suggestions?

What frame size you looking at?

onlineweb

zindicato wrote: »

What frame size you looking at?

I’m 6ft, so probably large depending on the make of bike.

zindicato

onlineweb wrote: »

I’m 6ft, so probably large depending on the make of bike.

pity got a gravel bike here that I'm thinking selling it's too small for you

saccades

Speculator wrote: »

I am astounded that you would spend big money on a carbon frame and then drill a hole through it. This bike is now worthless IMO.

:mad:

Only if I had plans to sell it, I took that into account when I did all this and I could/can well afford it.

at1withmyself

onlineweb wrote: »

Yes I think he was a bit confused, so I had to spell things out. See above.

@magicbastarder what’s your thoughts on a Giant Revolt as a winter bike?

Nothing needs to be spelled out, carbon bikes are made to last and no need to mind them any more then other bikes, that's why I'm confused.

I've never had a winter bike and never will as I don't see the need. For someone racing who depends on there bike in a racing environment - that I can understand. But for anyone not racing I don't see the point as its just another bike to maintain.

Tony04

The new orbea avant ticks all your needs but youd have to wait
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2021-orbea-avant-disc/

Something in stock that might suit
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-r1-disc-105-913934

magicbastarder

at1withmyself wrote: »

Nothing needs to be spelled out, carbon bikes are made to last and no need to mind them any more then other bikes, that's why I'm confused.

that said, i have a carbon bike and a steel bike (well, three steel bikes).
i know which of those four i'd be nervous cycling if a hammer dropped on it. but this isn't exactly the context in question.

Wishbone Ash

at1withmyself wrote: »

Nothing needs to be spelled out, carbon bikes are made to last and no need to mind them any more then other bikes, that's why I'm confused.

I was advised to 'retire' a carbon bike by my LBS last year. I left it in for some routine repair and they spotted a hairline crack all along the underside of the top tube. They said it 'could go any minute'. Another one of my carbon bikes has a hairline crack at the base of the frame (under the BB). I'm actively monitoring it.

As someone who has carbon, alumimium and steel bikes in the fleet, I can say that carbon has to be 'minded' more.

at1withmyself wrote:

....I've never had a winter bike and never will as I don't see the need. For someone racing who depends on there bike in a racing environment - that I can understand. But for anyone not racing I don't see the point as its just another bike to maintain.

It's not that simple. Non-carbon bikes are generally easier to fit mudguards to and have better clearance for them. Most clubs require full mudguards on group rides between October and March which is why most club members need a winter bike. I can't ever recall seeing proper mudguards on a carbon frame.

byrnem31

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I was advised to 'retire' a carbon bike by my LBS last year. I left it in for some routine repair and they spotted a hairline crack all along the underside of the top tube. They said it 'could go any minute'. Another one of my carbon bikes has a hairline crack at the base of the frame (under the BB). I'm actively monitoring it.

As someone who has carbon, alumimium and steel bikes in the fleet, I can say that carbon has to be 'minded' more.

It's not that simple. Non-carbon bikes are generally easier to fit mudguards to and have better clearance for them. Most clubs require full mudguards on group rides between October and March which is why most club members need a winter bike. I can't ever recall seeing proper mudguards on a carbon frame.

There are heaps of carbon bikes with full mudguards. The giant defy advanced has an owners club on Facebook and the guys have loads of pics with full mudguards on their carbon bikes.

byrnem31

See here

Macy0161

I upgraded from an aluminium defy (mechanical) disc to a TCR a couple of years ago. I've set the defy up as a winter bike, which full mudguards.

If I'd got the TCR first, would I have bothered for a winter road bike? Probably not to be honest. Yes wear is more, but it'd generally only out once a week anyway on the club spin, and if it is icy, i'd tend not go out on the road anyway. It's a lot of component wear to off set the cost of a new bike.

If you are looking at n+1, I'm tempted to suggest looking at the Road v Gravel Bike thread. A gravel bike will do everything you want a winter road bike to do, and with a second wheel set you have the versatility to go off road (which I tend to do on those icy days!). Plus options for bike packing etc.

Wishbone Ash

byrnem31 wrote: »

See here

Fair enough but any carbon bike I've had didn't have clearance or eyelets for proper mudguards. I had to compromise with clip on types.

onlineweb

at1withmyself wrote: »

Nothing needs to be spelled out, carbon bikes are made to last and no need to mind them any more then other bikes, that's why I'm confused.

I've never had a winter bike and never will as I don't see the need. For someone racing who depends on there bike in a racing environment - that I can understand. But for anyone not racing I don't see the point as its just another bike to maintain.

Hi

In my opinion, a carbon frame needs to be cared for and maintained differently than an aluminium frame. It’s nothing to do with racing. If it gets damaged, it could cause the frame to fail and shatter. Safety is paramount.

Anyway, this thread is going off-topic. I can see we have different point of views, and I understand and accept your comments.

My priority is to buy something more robust and comfortable for the winter. Preferably something with a tyre clearance of plus 30 mm with disc breaks.

onlineweb

Weepsie wrote: »

360 cycles have a lovely Croix de fer for about 1800. That's probably what I'd get.

It's neither a gravel, cx or road bike. It's a fun, super comfortable , albeit can be a heavy bike.

My preference is for steel. My alu bike is pretty much my turbo bike for now

This one?

https://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bike/croix-de-fer-20

onlineweb

Tony04 wrote: »

The new orbea avant ticks all your needs but youd have to wait
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2021-orbea-avant-disc/

Something in stock that might suit
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-r1-disc-105-913934

Great looking bike.

onlineweb

onlineweb wrote: »

Great looking bike.

Have an eye on the 105 Orbea Avant myself. Would be a nice upgrade to me at least, bit on the pricey side at €1699 maybe? I was told February when I made enquiries

I'll get my Birthday bike at some stage, it's only been 2 months since I hit 40.

Weepsie

onlineweb wrote: »

This one?

https://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bike/croix-de-fer-20

https://www.360cycles.ie/genesis-croix-de-fer-30-2020-green.html

But realised it's smAll, though genesis bikes you often size down. My 2 are medium

Tony04

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would be a nice upgrade to me at least, bit on the pricey side at €1699?

As long as your not using bike to work scheme with a middle man, you should be able to haggle the price down with your lbs. And anyway 1700 is really good for a shop bought bike with a decent alu frame and 105 hydraulic groupset.

Tony04

onlineweb wrote: »

Great looking bike.

Could see the orbea being a very popular choice.

And the radon is the best bike for the price ive seen, and if your 6ft they should have your size in stock.

Another bike worth a shout is the cube attain sl, but youll probably have to wait for the new model,

Difficult to predict when youd be getting 2021 bikes, as theres a component shortage right now, namely shimano

Plastik

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I can't ever recall seeing proper mudguards on a carbon frame.

Not carbon per say, but full proper mudguards on a mountless race frame. The solutions are out there

https://ridepdw.com/collections/fenders/products/full-metal-fenders-road-size?variant=14871507238969

magicbastarder

Weepsie wrote: »

https://www.360cycles.ie/genesis-croix-de-fer-30-2020-green.html

But realised it's smAll, though genesis bikes you often size down. My 2 are medium

says it has a GRX rear mech, but the photo shows a 105?
anyway, i don't need this temptation.

54and56

Deleted User wrote: »

Have an eye on the 105 Orbea Avant myself. Would be a nice upgrade to me at least, bit on the pricey side at €1699 maybe? I was told February when I made enquiries

I'll get my Birthday bike at some stage, it's only been 2 months since I hit 40.

I'm also in the market for an upgrade at the moment and have narrowed my choice down to the €1,699 Orbea H30-D and the €1,999 Cube Attain GTC SL which is at the top end of my budget.

My biggest motivation is to get onto Disc brakes as I had a good few scares on rim brakes over last winter and with the weather turning towards winter I'm keen to pull the trigger.

Contacted Orbea yesterday and they confirmed the newly launched H30-D won't be available until May 2021 :eek: That rules the Orbea out of my thinking.

I'm not sure what the supply situation is like with Cube but can't imagine it's anywhere close to 9 months!!

54and56

Tony04 wrote: »

Could see the orbea being a very popular choice.

And the radon is the best bike for the price ive seen, and if your 6ft they should have your size in stock.

Another bike worth a shout is the cube attain sl, but youll probably have to wait for the new model,

Difficult to predict when youd be getting 2021 bikes, as theres a component shortage right now, namely shimano

Is there much difference between the 2020 and 2021 models of the Cube Attain GTC SL? I checked both the 2020 version and the 2021 version on their website and can't see any difference in components, geometry etc.

Am I missing something obvious?

kenmm

Plastik wrote: »

Not carbon per say, but full proper mudguards on a mountless race frame. The solutions are out there

https://ridepdw.com/collections/fenders/products/full-metal-fenders-road-size?variant=14871507238969

Any suggestions for a disc brake set of mud guards. I just went for the raceblade pro XL as that's the longest I could see.
Previously I had something similar but the had attachments where the room brakes were.

Macy0161

54and56 wrote: »

Am I missing something obvious?

Decals and probably a nice bump in price?

The 2020 Cube is 200g lighter than the 2021

fat bloke

Plastik wrote: »

Not carbon per say, but full proper mudguards on a mountless race frame. The solutions are out there

https://ridepdw.com/collections/fenders/products/full-metal-fenders-road-size?variant=14871507238969

They're great until you absent-mindedly lift the bike by the front wheel and snap the rear mudguard off when it hits the ground . Can't tell you how many raceblades I broke going out the door of the house or parking a bike at a cafe.

54and56

Deleted User wrote: »

The 2020 Cube is 200g lighter than the 2021

Sorry, I must have mis-read that initially. The new 2021 version is 200g heavier than the 2020 version? Do you know why that is? Strengthening of frame? Different components?

Plastik

fat bloke wrote: »

They're great until you absent-mindedly lift the bike by the front wheel and snap the rear mudguard off when it hits the ground . Can't tell you how many raceblades I broke going out the door of the house or parking a bike at a cafe.

As the full metal fenders name suggests, these lads are a bit less prone to flex and snap when you invariably do that the first time. Plus as a commuter, wet weather, winter bike they're more or less permanently on the bike so becomes second nature to move it around not doing that rear wheel roll. But same as yourself, I've snapped the end off my share of crappy plastic extensions held together by crappy plastic screws in my time!

No idea on good disc mount solutions, don't have a disc bike so I've never had to do the research.

Tony04

54and56 wrote: »

Sorry, I must have mis-read that initially. The new 2021 version is 200g heavier than the 2020 version? Do you know why that is? Strengthening of frame? Different components?

Different finishing kit maybe, larger frame size weight its hard to know.

If your budget is 2000 lots of choice for 105 disc bikes
Just nipping in to a post i did recently that sums up your options

Tony04 wrote: »

If your 176cm youd be going for a size 54.

If your using the b2w scheme you could be limited to who you shop with, if your company uses a middle man. If your company buys directly you can buy from any bike shop in the world.

In terms of spec id be looking at 105 carbon fibre with disc brakes. Alrhough some high end aluminium bikes might be worth looking at.

Going online will undoubtedly save you money, but then you have to assemble the bike yourself, very easy. Although if you get unlucky and theres a mechanical issue its difficult to sort out.

Some bikes online
https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road-bikes/race-bikes/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-disc-7.0/2156.html
https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road-bikes/endurance-bikes/endurace/endurace-cf-sl-disc-7.0/2396.html?dwvar_2396_pv_rahmenfarbe=BU%2FBK
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-spire-disc-8.0-913996
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/ie/en/vitus-vitesse-evo-cr-road-bike-105-2020/rp-prod183555
https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/massi-team-disc-ultegra-disc/137556232/p
https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/massi-team-disc-105-disc/137556239/p
https://www.bike24.com/p2348305.html?menu=1000,173,157
Online aluminium
https://www.bike24.com/p2339313.html?menu=1000,173,157
https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-pro-sl-disc-ultegra-2690677
https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road-bikes/endurance-bikes/endurace/endurace-al-disc-7.0/2394.html
https://www.bunnyhop.de/Fahrraeder/Road/Cannondale-CAAD13-Disc-105-2020.htm?a=article&ProdNr=CANC13360M10&p=8

If your buying from your local shop not all brands offer 105 carbon disc for 2000€ so id reccomend giant tcr advanced 2 disc/defy disc, orbea m30 disc and merida scultura 4000. Also the specialized allez (aluminium) is worth the look