Mental Health and the Z list celebrities

Infernal Racket

I have noticed over the last couple of years that more and more z list celebrities are jumping in the mental health band wagon and I don't use that term in any way to take away from genuineental health cases. Every day there are more articles and social media posts from these people who really seem to just either want a bit of fame or else make a few quid. Do you believe it helps or belittle genuine mental health issues? I believe it's the latter

event

Like Rorys Stories

Suffering from depression? Just got for a walk, that'll fix it.
Then next video is about how drinking and getting blind drunk is great craic.
Then next video is about how he hates his kids and wife
Then a video about how its good to talk.

Infernal Racket

event wrote: »

Like Rorys Stories

Suffering from depression? Just got for a walk, that'll fix it.
Then next video is about how drinking and getting blind drunk is great craic.
Then next video is about how he hates his kids and wife
Then a video about how its good to talk.

He's exactly one of the ones I had in mind. Bressie is another one who seems to be making a few quid out of it. There are many of them out there all over the world it seems.

Zebra3

Mental health is the new back injury.

Some people do have issues, others love to exploit it for their own gain and know it can't be unproven.

Wanderer2010

Completely belittles as its a sure-fire way for narcissists to get attention and enough stupid people out there will believe their fake tale of woe.

Classic examples: Sinead O Connor- threatening to kill herself for years now, never quite managed it. Too many cameras around or magazine articles to feed her ego, so she spins a yarn about her latest "crisis" and conveniently tags on a plug for some gig at the end of it. She makes me sick.

Vogue Williams- claimed to have 10 panic attacks a day last year. Still turned up for every single envelope that needed opening, and did so in front of lots of people and speaks at length about her oh so fascinating life and views. You got over that anxiety fast eh Vogue? Again, though, enough idiots follow her and get hooked in to her con.

Its a crying shame these people get the oxygen of publicity when there are tonnes of people genuinely suffering out there.

Infernal Racket

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Completely belittles as its a sure-fire way for narcissists to get attention and enough stupid people out there will believe their fake tale of woe.

Classic examples: Sinead O Connor- threatening to kill herself for years now, never quite managed it. Too many cameras around or magazine articles to feed her ego, so she spins a yarn about her latest "crisis" and conveniently tags on a plug for some gig at the end of it. She makes me sick.

Vogue Williams- claimed to have 10 panic attacks a day last year. Still turned up for every single envelope that needed opening, and did so in front of lots of people and speaks at length about her oh so fascinating life and views. You got over that anxiety fast eh Vogue? Again, though, enough idiots follow her and get hooked in to her con.

Its a crying shame these people get the oxygen of publicity when there are tonnes of people genuinely suffering out there.

And the ones genuinely suffering gain absolutely nothing from these attention seekers.

Irish_peppa

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Completely belittles as its a sure-fire way for narcissists to get attention and enough stupid people out there will believe their fake tale of woe.

Classic examples: Sinead O Connor- threatening to kill herself for years now, never quite managed it. Too many cameras around or magazine articles to feed her ego, so she spins a yarn about her latest "crisis" and conveniently tags on a plug for some gig at the end of it. She makes me sick.

Vogue Williams- claimed to have 10 panic attacks a day last year. Still turned up for every single envelope that needed opening, and did so in front of lots of people and speaks at length about her oh so fascinating life and views. You got over that anxiety fast eh Vogue? Again, though, enough idiots follow her and get hooked in to her con.

Its a crying shame these people get the oxygen of publicity when there are tonnes of people genuinely suffering out there.

Vogue was having panic attacks 10 times a day, each time she logged into instagram and saw she hadnt met her expectated number of likes :eek:

Infernal Racket

The lad who does the farmer Michael sketches seems to be at it wholesale too. He's an incredibly unfunny person but my Jesus does he lay it on thick when it comes to his mental health issues.

ShatterAlan

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Vogue was having panic attacks 10 times a day, each time she logged into instagram and saw she hadnt met her expectated number of likes :eek:

She is one vapid, vacuous, dimwit.

Irish_peppa

Infernal Racket wrote: »

The lad who does the farmer Michael sketches seems to be at it wholesale too. He's an incredibly unfunny person but my Jesus does he lay it on thick when it comes to his mental health issues.

Shuree its all about mindfulnesss Kathleen !

Infernal Racket

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Shuree its all about mindfulnesss Kathleen !

It's no wonder she fecked off.

BattleCorp

ShatterAlan wrote: »

She is one vapid, vacuous, dimwit.

I very much doubt she is a dimwit. I'd say she is clever enough, and is going for a certain target audience.

She is a fit bird, very shagable.

Irish_peppa

Infernal Racket wrote: »

It's no wonder she fecked off.

Oh right is that the next tall tale for drama and likes :rolleyes:

Spose might attract a few thousand more followers if you can work some angle there on the relationship if running low on ideas:rolleyes:

Infernal Racket

Infernal Racket wrote: »

The lad who does the farmer Michael sketches seems to be at it wholesale too. He's an incredibly unfunny person but my Jesus does he lay it on thick when it comes to his mental health issues.

it sounds like they use it to prolong/kick off their "career" (kinda like Geldof/blindboy) or use it as a distraction from sh!tty behaviour...

Infernal Racket

Zachary Nervous Oats wrote: »

it sounds like they use it to prolong/kick off their "career" (kinda like Geldof/blindboy) or use it as a distraction from sh!tty behaviour...

I think it's a bit of both for most of them. The problem is that their audiences seem to believe their bull**** so every time one of their fans is feeling a little down it's attributed to mental health issues. Really dilutes the genuine cases.

Quantum Erasure

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Completely belittles as its a sure-fire way for narcissists to get attention and enough stupid people out there will believe their fake tale of woe.

Classic examples: Sinead O Connor- threatening to kill herself for years now, never quite managed it. Too many cameras around or magazine articles to feed her ego, so she spins a yarn about her latest "crisis" and conveniently tags on a plug for some gig at the end of it. She makes me sick.

Vogue Williams- claimed to have 10 panic attacks a day last year. Still turned up for every single envelope that needed opening, and did so in front of lots of people and speaks at length about her oh so fascinating life and views. You got over that anxiety fast eh Vogue? Again, though, enough idiots follow her and get hooked in to her con.

Its a crying shame these people get the oxygen of publicity when there are tonnes of people genuinely suffering out there.

Dunno about Vogue, but I'd say Sinead is a genuine case, she's obviously not well,

s1ippy

I actually know farmer Michael and he's a sound person really. The sketches were fairly annoying alright but I wouldn't be lumping him in with the others mentioned.

He was in an accident years ago and required a wheelchair for a long time until he regained a lot of his mobility.

It's sad that his partner left him, they were a lovely couple, but it seems the relationship just ran its course. I feel sorry that it had to happen with so many judgemental begrudgers eagerly looking on.

Infernal Racket

s1ippy wrote: »

I actually know farmer Michael and he's a sound person really. The sketches were fairly annoying alright but I wouldn't be lumping him in with the others mentioned.

He was in an accident years ago and required a wheelchair for a long time until he regained a lot of his mobility.

It's sad that his partner left him, they were a lovely couple, but it seems the relationship just ran its course. I feel sorry that it had to happen with so many judgemental begrudgers eagerly looking on.

He put an awful lot of his private life up on social media and received a huge amount of negativity for it. A lot of it was seeking the attention they needed to make a living and ultimately it turned sour for him. If you choose to live a life funded by social media, these are the risks.

Surreptitious

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Dunno about Vogue, but I'd say Sinead is a genuine case, she's obviously not well,

She's got official bi polar and that's a terrible thing to say that poster said, oh she never got around to killing herself. I mean seriously like.

Infernal Racket

Infernal Racket wrote: »

I think it's a bit of both for most of them. The problem is that their audiences seem to believe their bull**** so every time one of their fans is feeling a little down it's attributed to mental health issues. Really dilutes the genuine cases.

The 2 examples which bugged me was - that Bressie was charging schools {heard 1grand some say 5grand} to do speeches on mental health - id have a lot more respect for him, if did not charge ...but who does Bressie appeal to - a d list singer and a short lived Leinster player
And then you had Vouge williams "documentary" where rte kept playing the ad where she said she was feeling down as she didnt get enough likes for a insta post...

Irish_peppa

Zachary Nervous Oats wrote: »

The 2 examples which bugged me was - that Bressie was charging schools {heard 1grand some say 5grand} to do speeches on mental health - id have a lot more respect for him, if did no charge for them...but who does Bressie appeal to - a d list singer and a short lived Leinster player
And then you had Vouge williams "documentary" where rte kept playing the ad where she said she was feeling down as she didnt get enough likes for a insta post...

In fairness Bressie did a degree and has a masters in his field afaik ( i assume that took 4 or 5 years to achieve) so he has put the work in and seems to be passionate about it.
Hmmm I dont know about him charging schools but surely he should be allowed to charge for his time and hard earned knowledge? How is he supposed to pay his mortgage and expenses and possible college loan back.

Irish_peppa

Infernal Racket wrote: »

He put an awful lot of his private life up on social media and received a huge amount of negativity for it. A lot of it was seeking the attention they needed to make a living and ultimately it turned sour for him. If you choose to live a life funded by social media, these are the risks.

LOL what turned sour / negative for him? He has more subscribers to his youtube nearly 290,000 subs (up from 250,000 just a few weeks ago) and more subs on instagram then ever, hes flying. Am I missing something
he couldnt be more popular at the moment

Irish_peppa

Irish_peppa wrote: »

In fairness Bressie did a degree and has a masters in his field afaik ( i assume that took 4 or 5 years to achieve) so he has put the work in and seems to be passionate about it.
Hmmm I dont know about him charging schools but surely he should be allowed to charge for his time and hard earned knowledge? How is he supposed to pay his mortgage and expenses and possible college loan back.

from a quick look on google, he dropped out from a commerce degree, ....i think the price of a grand/5 grand is a bit cheeky, on schools who wouldn't be able to afford it..comes off as he wants to profit on it by jumping on the bandwagon of the day

edit - he did graduate from a masters recently

IAMAMORON

It might be great to bash a few Z listers, but the fact is that you never know what is going on in someone's mind, it is not possible to know for starters.

Mental Health is a real thing, if you break your leg it goes in plaster, if you break your mind it needs care too.

Just because someone has ambition and is a minor celebrity it does not mean that person is a bad person or is crying wolf over mental health. It probably happens, but I would always give the benefit of the doubt, you just could not possibly know or understand otherwise.

Wanderer2010

Surreptitious wrote: »

She's got official bi polar and that's a terrible thing to say that poster said, oh she never got around to killing herself. I mean seriously like.

Why would she kill herself when there are cameras around and interviews to do. She would miss all that, and she knows it.

Infernal Racket

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It might be great to bash a few Z listers, but the fact is that you never know what is going on in someone's mind, it is not possible to know for starters.

Mental Health is a real thing, if you break your leg it goes in plaster, if you break your mind it needs care too.

Just because someone has ambition and is a minor celebrity it does not mean that person is a bad person or is crying wolf over mental health. It probably happens, but I would always give the benefit of the doubt, you just could not possibly know or understand otherwise.

I don't think it's great to bash z listers. I also don't think it's great that z listers use the current mental health awareness campaigns in Ireland to promote themselves or try to make a few big out of it. That's all

razorblunt

Infernal Racket wrote: »

He's exactly one of the ones I had in mind. Bressie is another one who seems to be making a few quid out of it. There are many of them out there all over the world it seems.

I’m still shocked Bressie hasn’t jumped on the “I thought I had COVID” bandwagon.

IAMAMORON

Infernal Racket wrote: »

I don't think it's great to bash z listers. I also don't think it's great that z listers use the current mental health awareness campaigns in Ireland to promote themselves or try to make a few big out of it. That's all

I think anyone who uses any health issue as a crutch to popularity gets a slight crooked look from me. But they all get the benefit of the doubt, particularly if they have mental problems.

Cards on the table here, I would probably hate Bressie anyway, he annoys the phuck out of me and he has no talent. But if he has a mental health issue I would probably give him a hug ( just in case he really has one ) .

Infernal Racket

razorblunt wrote: »

I’m still shocked Bressie hasn’t jumped on the “I thought I had COVID” bandwagon.

Has he not? He missed a few bob with that one.

Two problems;

1). Poor mental health is pandemic. People's genuine issues are often dismissed and they're told inane things like "Suck it up.".

2). Mental health professionals often struggle to understand it, much less yahoos like you and I.


Social media isn't helping, especially among adolescents. The longing for likes, retweets, thanks, etc is having a detrimental impact on their mental health. It's an issue that should have been addressed long ago with the urgency of Covid-19.

As for Sinead O'Connor, it was her time out of the limelight that has helped her. There is absolutely no question that she has had ongoing mental health issues. The fact that she (thankfully) hasn't killed her is no indication of spoofing.

Cyrus

Good we have ah on boards to decide who is allowed have mental health issues and when.

Surreptitious

Surreptitious wrote: »

She's got official bi polar and that's a terrible thing to say that poster said, oh she never got around to killing herself. I mean seriously like.

It was a dreadful comment.

nthclare

I'm sceptical about z list celebs spouting off about their addiction and mental health issues.

Supposedly it's frowned upon by treatment centres and professional to go around breaking your own and others anonymity.

Russell Brand is the most dry drunk/addict I've ever observed.
He's off his chuck, listening to him he sounds like he's high on barbiturates and hasn't the ability to sit still or listen to anyone.
Constantly finishing people's sentences for them and it's his way or the high way.

The wanker even tried to rewrite the 12 steps of recovery and the 12 steps are all about deflating the ego and that prick decided to rub them out and make up his own version, talk about a contradiction.

What a stupid prick along with the other ***** making a selfish living on people's vulnerability and mental health.

People like him should be ignored and left on the scrap heap, an absolute discrace to people trying to get well.

IAMAMORON

I do think that you need a slightly bigger neck for online abuse however. I mean if you cannot deal with keyboard warriors you need to check yourself. At some point you need to recognise it for what it is.

Thing is career celebs rely heavy on social media for exposure, it is critical to their success and livelihoods. If they want to achieve better mental health they need to comprehend that and focus on getting fed up dealing with negative feedback. That includes you Jason Byrne. You cannot blame online criticism on you being an unfunny comedian, (only messing I think you're gas).

nthclare

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I do think that you need a slightly bigger neck for online abuse however. I mean if you cannot deal with keyboard warriors you need to check yourself. At some point you need to recognise it for what it is.

Thing is career celebs rely heavy on social media for exposure, it is critical to their success and livelihoods. If they want to achieve better mental health they need to comprehend that and focus on getting fed up dealing with negative feedback. That includes you Jason Byrne. You cannot blame online criticism on you being an unfunny comedian, (only messing I think you're gas).

Absolutely true about having a strong neck.

Imagine getting offended by word's on a screen which are others opinions and they're not actually directing the members of board's, it would make moderation much easier if people had a harder stick.

I don't condone anyone suggesting I or someone else hurt someone or said something to get someone into trouble and my statement is false.
Or taking someone's character without any proof.
That's a no no.
Or slander without proof.

But cnuts getting offended and mods going over the top because of a comment is absolutely ridiculous.

There's one moderator on The Atheism and Agnoticism forum and she absolutely despises me, and she'd use any reason at all to get the moderators to ban me.
She's what I'd described as a super social justice warrior.

She actually has a watch list of people who she deems to be problematic, and I just think for a moderator that's absolutely off the wall sh1t.

Thelonious Monk

I used to not like Russell Brand but his videos are really good now and his podcast. Intelligent bloke who seems to really try to keep his sh*t together and just wants to help others do the same. He doesn't really need the money or attention he gets that already so I think he's genuinely just trying to be a good person.

Beechwoodspark

event wrote: »

Like Rorys Stories

Suffering from depression? Just got for a walk, that'll fix it.
Then next video is about how drinking and getting blind drunk is great craic.
Then next video is about how he hates his kids and wife
Then a video about how its good to talk.

I’ve noticed that too

It’s got to the stage where There’ll be an intervention of some sort

Beechwoodspark

Russel brand.

Waste of space. Always was, always will be.

Beechwoodspark

razorblunt wrote: »

I’m still shocked Bressie hasn’t jumped on the “I thought I had COVID” bandwagon.

“I had covid then I recovered then I got it again” might be his angle

nthclare

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I used to not like Russell Brand but his videos are really good now and his podcast. Intelligent bloke who seems to really try to keep his sh*t together and just wants to help others do the same. He doesn't really need the money or attention he gets that already so I think he's genuinely just trying to be a good person.

Exactly he's trying to be a good person, I bumped into him once with a mutual friend at a gathering/ gig and he just couldn't listen in the conversation.
He was engaging with us, but kept finishing our sentences and trying to explain to us what we're taking about.

It was hard work I'll tell you, we both walked away saying wtf was that all about.
He's absolutely off the wall, means well but christ on a bike he's mind is like a spaghetti junction

Church on Tuesday

event wrote: »

Like Rorys Stories

Suffering from depression? Just got for a walk, that'll fix it.
Then next video is about how drinking and getting blind drunk is great craic.
Then next video is about how he hates his kids and wife
Then a video about how its good to talk.

If you are taking life advice from that lad, something is very wrong.

Thelonious Monk

nthclare wrote: »

Exactly he's trying to be a good person, I bumped into him once with a mutual friend at a gathering/ gig and he just couldn't listen in the conversation.
He was engaging with us, but kept finishing our sentences and trying to explain to us what we're taking about.

It was hard work I'll tell you, we both walked away saying wtf was that all about.
He's absolutely off the wall, means well but christ on a bike he's mind is like a spaghetti junction

When was this? My brother met him in about 2000 at an MTV dance thing and said he was completely off his tits. I think he's a totally different man now though.

nthclare

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

When was this? My brother met him in about 2000 at an MTV dance thing and said he was completely off his tits. I think he's a totally different man now though.

Around 3 year's ago.
There's no badness in him, but he's just very intense and his ideas about alcohol drug recovery and mental health are off the charts.

I wouldn't suggest anyone listen to him or take his advice.

He has no qualifications or merits in dealing with depression and recovery.
He's leading people down the wrong track.

padd b1975

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’ve noticed that too

It’s got to the stage where There’ll be an intervention of some sort

Shoe in the hole is all the intervention that lad needs.

Thelonious Monk

nthclare wrote: »

Around 3 year's ago.
There's no badness in him, but he's just very intense and his ideas about alcohol drug recovery and mental health are off the charts.

I wouldn't suggest anyone listen to him or take his advice.

He has no qualifications or merits in dealing with depression and recovery.
He's leading people down the wrong track.

I respectfully disagree. I think his videos on spirituality and meditation and looking after yourself are really good. But I guess I'm into all that stuff, like Eckhart Tolle he had on recently and that was just brilliant.

listermint

I think it's better that we don't discuss anything to do with mental health. Better for people to bottle up entirely and consider themselves as abnormal and not like others. That way they can get it all over and done with.



Am I winning the after Hours thread ? Bonus points for saying z listers.....

KKkitty

event wrote: »

Like Rorys Stories

Suffering from depression? Just got for a walk, that'll fix it.
Then next video is about how drinking and getting blind drunk is great craic.
Then next video is about how he hates his kids and wife
Then a video about how its good to talk.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Yes he does sketches about drinking and so called having the craic. He does videos about how the missus and kids wreck his head. They're sketches. If you don't like them scroll past them. They're not meant to be taken seriously. He may be reaching an audience that wouldn't seek help so what's wrong with that? Who here knows him personally? Who here knows what has gone on in his head? Don't be quick to judge.

begbysback

Hardly devils advocate there kitty, you’ve nearly taken the head off his shoulders.

castletownman

The ironic thing is that so many of these people take to the sphere of social media to reveal their mental health issues. Maybe if their life didn't revolve around being famous, and where having x amount of followers on whatever platform = success, then maybe they wouldn't have as many issues.

A celebrity complaining about the stress of being famous via social media is strange. It'd be like a far person whinging about the dangers of junk food while waiting in line in McDonalds for the second time that day. Maybe stay away from an environment likely to excaberate the problem.

nthclare

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. I think his videos on spirituality and meditation and looking after yourself are really good. But I guess I'm into all that stuff, like Eckhart Tolle he had on recently and that was just brilliant.

I'm into mindfulness myself and I totally respect your judgements and if he helps you then I think whatever gets you thinking on a positive note is good for you.

I'm more of a pagan myself and embrace the land, bird's, river's and the weather.

I used to really enjoy Eckhart Tolle Deepak Chopra, Louise L Hay and a lot more new age spiritual teachers, I read a lot of books and studied theology, philosophy and the mystic's.

At the end of the day, I got obsessed with the journey and I came to the conclusion that there's no race or prize at the end.
Its all about having peace of mind and self acceptance and awareness.

I wish you well on your journey of learning about yourself and a peaceful journey.

Ash.J.Williams

Zachary Nervous Oats wrote: »

The 2 examples which bugged me was - that Bressie was charging schools {heard 1grand some say 5grand} to do speeches on mental health - id have a lot more respect for him, if did not charge ...but who does Bressie appeal to - a d list singer and a short lived Leinster player
And then you had Vouge williams "documentary" where rte kept playing the ad where she said she was feeling down as she didnt get enough likes for a insta post...

When he started out in his 20s women in their 30s were losing their sh1t selling out gigs because of it.... can you name a song ? Noooo