General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

DM_7

Mushy wrote: »

What part of the body to the left of that red line can you score with? A joke

He can't. It is the tiny, teeny gap to the right of the red line and the start of the blue line that 'show' player is regarded as offside.

event

ERG89 wrote: »

I know that was a big deflection but Leeds goalie really isn't particularly good.

He's a pretty good 20 year old keeper

CSF

Sooner or later the offside rule is gonna be looked at it, because it has to be. Think everyone knows what people feel it shouldn't be at this stage.

But what would people go with it in terms of what it should be now? Goes without saying that consistency should be the priority.

Agent Coulson

Offside was a lot more consistent before VAR came in and fans might have been angry with the wrong decision however day later we all know the officials only got one look at it in real time and understood human error.


Now with VAR it is a so much worse it is no longer human error it is human judgment with the aid of video and as we have seen and will continue to see human judgment is flawed.

machiavellianme

Flawed? Or biased?
They see what they want to see now and draw lines as they choose. Move forward or back a frame if needs be to suit a narrative.

CSF

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Offside was a lot more consistent before VAR came in and fans might have been angry with the wrong decision however day later we all know the officials only got one look at it in real time and understood human error.


Now with VAR it is a so much worse it is no longer human error it is human judgment with the aid of video and as we have seen and will continue to see human judgment is flawed.

Personally I always felt worse when my team was screwed with a clearly incorrect decision.

marklazarcovic

One of those calls in a world cup final , champions League final, would be diabolical, it needs to change.

fyfe79

Kiith wrote: »

This is what's offside these days...ridiculous.

Where the red line meets Bamford's arm... are we saying that if someone actually scores with that part of the body the goal would stand? Like hell it would.

Please bring the offside rule back to just the players' feet only! And no geometry lines on the review either - just look at it again with your eyes! How can this be so difficult? Disallowing goals like this just completely goes against the spirit of the game and the reason why the offside rule was invented.

Agent Coulson

fyfe79 wrote: »

Where the red line meets Bamford's arm... are we saying that if someone actually scores with that part of the body the goal would stand? Like hell it would.

Above the shirt sleeve is offside according to the new offside laws and his arm above the shirt sleeve is offside.

ShamoBuc

Looking at that pic of the offside, defender in front of Bamford, Sahko?, his arm and left foot/ hip look to play him onside but the line is taken from the other defenders arm.

CSF

marklazarcovic wrote: »

One of those calls in a world cup final , champions League final, would be diabolical, it needs to change.

To what though?

fyfe79

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Above the shirt sleeve is offside according to the new offside laws and his arm above the shirt sleeve is offside.

Just for argument sake, his hand - that's in an offside position - which is fine (as you're not allowed score with your hand), yet where the red line is drawn is offside, indicating that it's totally legal to score with that part of the arm (which appears to be the bicep area) if you're onside.

I'm just saying that, imo, if a player scores with his bicep, the goal gets disallowed. Maybe, legally, it shouldn't, but referee's will be wired from years and years of automatic handball calls (when they see this) and would actually disallow it (even if the rules seemingly suggest that you're allowed score off your bicep).
It will still just "look" like a handball to everyone, including referees.

Gbear

marklazarcovic wrote: »

One of those calls in a world cup final , champions League final, would be diabolical, it needs to change.

They'll take steps to avoid that by not having English refs.

Agent Coulson

fyfe79 wrote: »

Just for argument sake, his hand - that's in an offside position - which is fine (as you're not allowed score with your hand), yet where the red line is drawn is offside, indicating that it's totally legal to score with that part of the arm (which appears to be the bicep area) if you're onside.

I'm just saying that, imo, if a player scores with his bicep, the goal gets disallowed. Maybe, legally, it shouldn't, but referee's will be wired from years and years of automatic handball calls (when they see this) and would actually disallow it (even if the rules seemingly suggest that you're allowed score off your bicep).
It will still just "look" like a handball to everyone, including referees.

I totally agree the new offside laws are a joke however his upper arm above the shirt sleeve was offside is the excuse that PGMOL use for saying he was offside just like they have said for other crazy offside calls.

DM_7

Brilliant goal from Sheffield United. Rarely see short corner worked so well.

Fitz*

The ball hits off of Chilwell to make it 2-1 more than Chilwell taking a shot on goal.

It's almost like he saw the out rushing keeper and checked his run a bit. I wonder if recent incidents with Pickford influenced this checking of the run by Chilwell? It's a natural reaction to not want to clatter into another person, so that could he it too.

EDIT: Sky Sports & Abraham are saying the same thing, Chilwell pulled out of going for the ball.

jacool

DM_7 wrote: »

He can't. It is the tiny, teeny gap to the right of the red line and the start of the blue line that 'show' player is regarded as offside.

What about a line from the other defender's back or backside? Looks like they would play his upper arm onside.

DM_7

jacool wrote: »

What about a line from the other defender's back or backside? Looks like they would play his upper arm onside.

No idea. I was commenting about the lines on the graphic.

From the angle shown it is not clear which defender is last man. Would have to assume the other defender was deemed as not last man back.

Regardless I think the extreme application that VAR allows is against the spirit of the rules. Similar has happened in Bundesliga this evening.

theoneeyedman

If they're going to go electronic with the offside, why not go all the way?

All these players should wear the GPS tracker 'bras', let that pick up the player positions and if you're ahead of the defender according to them, you're off. Less subjective, should be instant, no drawing of lines...

plibige

I like the idea of VAR, but I hate the lines. I don't need to know someone's upper arm was 4mm ahead of the last defenders toe.

In my opinion for the little its worth VAR offsides should still be "eyeballed" and if it looks offside it is, if it doesn't it isn't.

We did have a rule that the benefit of the doubt went to the attacker and I felt that worked

~Rebel~

plibige wrote: »

I like the idea of VAR, but I hate the lines. I don't need to know someone's upper arm was 4mm ahead of the last defenders toe.

In my opinion for the little its worth VAR offsides should still be "eyeballed" and if it looks offside it is, if it doesn't it isn't.

We did have a rule that the benefit of the doubt went to the attacker and I felt that worked

Totally... accept the reality that "level" is a thing.

Maybe if they really want it, throw in the 'line' for the defender, and eyeball the attacker. If the offside doesn't stand out like a sore thumb, then call it onside.

ArnoldJRimmer

Jesus Christ, thats one of the worst penalties I've ever seen

ongarite

Why the f*ck would you try that with last kick of the game?

wanderer100

Fulham deserve to go down just for that penalty :pac:

noodler

I can't believe that.

I wonder would he have tried that if he wasn't on loan and was more invested in the club

Fitz*

I've just an interesting comment that goes back to James Miner taking a late penalty against Fabianksi when he played for Swansea 2016 - he tends to dive early when facing penalties.

I wonder was that information in Lookman's mind when taking it? But just made a complete hash of it.

cj maxx

I’ve just seen Bamfords goal that was ruled offside. Joke decision
Not a good day for the Leeds gk

Lucas Hood

Never noticed the push by Maguire on Pickford till Motd mentioned it.

Dr. Bre

What country ziyech from ? Looks a player

Richard Hillman

There's no excuse for Chelsea not to put a sustained title challenge this year. They have been given a pass over the last few years with a few players leaving and a transfer ban but they have all of the attributes to be a title winning team. Top defence (new goal keeper looks good), scoring goals for fun and a very strong squad. Possibly the strongest squad in the league and that should be massive for the season that it is. Big pressure on them. No excuses would be accepted if the are not seriously in the race come April