What's the definition of Irish begrudgery

Kylta

Can anybody define the meaning Irish begrudgery.
I don't particularly like say Jedward. But i'm glad that they have done well for themselves.
I personally don't like Ronan Keating singing (because well he can't sing bless him). But I respect him for the charity work he done on behalf on his late mother charity.
The above artist are my personnel opinions so there is no need for comment on them.

I may not like Irish people in their chosen field(musicians/actors/actress/sport etc) But I love to see Irish people do well and make what they can as they go through life. Because the majority of them never forget where they come from and I'd imagine are very charitable in their own ways.

So am I a begruder, if I think some of them are crap at what they do? Even though I want them to do earn well?

TheBoyConor

Begrudgery is just sourness and doing all you can to talk down and put down people you see doing well for themselves because of a perception that they now have notions about themselves and you want to bring them back down to reality.

EmmetSpiceland

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

artanevilla

It's a term used to dismiss any criticism (justified or not) of anyone who is somewhat successful (perceived or not).

Kylta

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Begrudgery is just sourness and doing all you can to talk down and put down people you see doing well for themselves because of a perception that they now have notions about themselves and you want to bring them back down to reality.

Ok, but how can a person be jealous of another person achieving their goals especially if they don't know the successful person.
And at what stage does slagging become become begrudery?

harr

Example would be , I have a friend who did well for himself. He came from a poorer background and went to England to study and came back home to set up a fairly successful business. Still a very sound guy but the amount of people who would say that he now has notions because he drives a nice car and has a nice house.
Because he is now a business man people think he is out and out bollix ... if he was still at home scratching his hole and on the dole like most of his family he would be a sound lad again.
No mention of the 80 hour weeks he does or the local jobs he supports.

Kylta

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

Why women in particular?

Dakota Dan

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

So because of that you made your original assumption? Somehow I doubt a few posters on boards represent a lot of Irish men.

EmmetSpiceland

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So because of that you made your original assumption? Somehow I doubt a few posters on boards represent a lot of Irish men.

Apologies, D. You’re right. I should have specified “on here”.

The Raging Bile Duct

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

I don't know about the others but Laura Whitmore was being 'attacked' for being completely tone deaf on Twitter going from a post about an upcoming podcast celebrating the British Army to an RIP post for John Hume. Storm in a teacup stuff but it did look very silly.

TheBoyConor

I think a lot of it has to do with the perception that the successful person has developed notions about themselves, and that if their look runs out they'll be eating humble pie and coming crawling back to where they came from.

Begrudgers to lesser status beings in their presence:

"What are ye doing here?"

"Who the hell are you"

Averted gaze

Begrudgers to those who they see as the higher echelon:

Nice car, shame about the dude

He only uses that sportcar to go down to the shops and back

Nice grand piano she owns, shame she can't play any decent tune out of it.

The Raging Bile Duct

Kylta wrote: »

Ok, but how can a person be jealous of another person achieving their goals especially if they don't know the successful person.
And at what stage does slagging become become begrudery?

I would have thought it would be easy enough to spot when the intention of slagging goes from having fun with someone to putting someone down.

Also, I think there's a fair few people out there that use 'slagging' to try and disguise the fact that they're being a total prick.

gailforecast

I don’t believe that you have to even look as far as celebrities to find begrudgery. Typically it takes the form of anyone from the locality doing exceptionally well and the locals finding some way to denigrate them. Eddie Haughey was from the same place as I was raised, and I remember it being about a 50/50 split of people saying either “look what hard work can achieve” or either that he “Was an arsehole as a kid and he’s an arsehole now who got lucky”. For large portions of society, having a successful neighbour brings out the worst in people.

Church on Tuesday

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

Oh this ****e again.

I'm a man and I love to hear about success stories irregardless of gender, it takes any amount of courage and determination to achieve in your particular field.

But if an individual in the public arena is just not that very talented or a clown then he/she is open to fair criticism because they put themselves in that public light in the first instance. :rolleyes:

The Raging Bile Duct

I think there is a bit of a problem that accusations of begrudgery can be used to quell criticism or concerns that might be genuine and nothing to do with begrudging someone. Saying you don't like U2 or the fact that you think that Sean Quinn and his family are a bunch of shysters doesn't equate to typical Irish begrudgery in my eyes.

IAMAMORON

It is an ancient Irish pastime invented by the druids to keep successful people focused, honest and loyal to their past. It is a vital part of the Irish persona and helps to build character. Even the captain of the ship has the responsibility of sailing it safely, whilst dining at his table and getting first nibs on the chambermaids.

It is a more innate Irish trait than people accept to believe. It is essentially a social mechanism, we all use it in some shape or form. Its' purpose is to keep friends and loved ones grounded. No one likes seeing people we care about ," getting ahead of themselves".

Oranage2

Begrudgery is like when a family member works hard and gets a 100k job, instead of being happy people will try and put him/her down.

Or when someone gets married to a foreigner and people say 'couldn't get an Irish guy/gal'

Or when someone moves out of a housing estate to a nice location the neighbors will say something like 'he/she wasn't reared that way'

Or when someone becomes popular for music or TV people will say they're not that talented.

Agricola

In it's mild Irish form, begrudgery is a healthy thing.

Better a culture of skepticism and taking the mick out of our betters, ie Bono, than a culture of adulation and veneration of those who are materially successful, or perceived to be. Hell will have frozen over before a Donald Trump character is elected in Ireland, that's for sure.

Kylta

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is an ancient Irish pastime invented by the druids to keep successful people focused, honest and loyal to their past. It is a vital part of the Irish persona and helps to build character. Even the captain of the ship has the responsibility of sailing it safely, whilst dining at his table and getting first nibs on the chambermaids.

It is a more innate Irish trait than people accept to believe. It is essentially a social mechanism, we all use it in some shape or form. Its' purpose is to keep friends and loved ones grounded. No one likes seeing people we care about ," getting ahead of themselves".

Was it not an old irish custom to slag somebody and then pat him on the back and wish him well?

Kylta

Actually is begrudgery a more common thing these days. With the likes of social media were people can say what they want for anywhere while hiding behind a keyboard?

MonkstownHoop

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

How many threads will you copy and paste your gender agenda in?

RocketRaccoon

It's when you see people giving out about Conor McGregors athletic ability and their complete inability to separate the sports ability from the obvious human flaws.

"he's ****e, not even close to a good fighter cause he's a smack head who hangs around with scumbags"

He is in our top 3 sports people ever on the international stage yet you'll have idiots disagree because of other non sport related crap.

EmmetSpiceland

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

How many threads will you copy and paste your gender agenda in?

No “agenda” here, bub. Merely calling it as I see it.

Kylta

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

It's when you see people giving out about Conor McGregors athletic ability and their complete inability to separate the sports ability from the obvious human flaws.

"he's ****e, not even close to a good fighter cause he's a smack head who hangs around with scumbags"

He is in our top 3 sprorts people ever on the international stage yet you'll have idiots disagree because of other non sport related crap.

In regards to conor, he is he's own PR machine (i personally don't like MMA fighting, it does nothing for me). Whereas some of the stuff he does or comes out with makes people actually despise him. He has made major money and congratulations to him, I would've liking to see him invest his money and hopefully become a successful business man in the future which I hope he does, instead of becoming a has been that has nothing. Many a sports star has ended up destitute especially boxers.

MrMusician18

They're is nothing uniquely Irish about begrudgery. What is uniquely Irish is that Irish people think begrudgery is uniquely Irish.

Rothko

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

A lot of Irish men do not enjoy hearing the opinions of “successful“, or famous, women.

Just yesterday, on this very site, successful women like Sharon Horgan, Una Healy and Laura Whitmore were “attacked” because they may have picked up a slight English accent after years of living there.

You are a hero

partyguinness

Begrudgery is basically jealousy by small minded people toward anyone who has moved on and done well for themselves.

Zebra3

People slagging off John Delaney when he was doing such a great job at the FAI.

He's so talented he turned down a million a year job elsewhere.

Denis O'Brien, one of Ireland's most successful business people of all time, even said that Delaney could run FIFA.

And yet Irish people begrudged him his vast salary and expenses.

JeffKenna

It's why I dislike Ray D'arcy

MrMusician18

partyguinness wrote: »

Begrudgery is basically jealousy by small minded people toward anyone who has moved on and done well for themselves.

It is also used as a way to deflect valid criticism against those that have been successful.