Meat factory clusters?

little bit of help

It's modern slavery. Meat industry is built on cheap labour and materials and fooking over the consumer. The government allow it because a lot of them have ties to the industry (Simon Coveney etc). It is a government sanctioned cartel. When farmers tried to ask for a decent price they were threatened with prison for daring to challenge it. They make billions And stamp Irish quality assured on polish meat.

MickeyLeari

little bit of help wrote: »

It's modern slavery. Meat industry is built on cheap labour and materials and fooking over the consumer. The government allow it because a lot of them have ties to the industry (Simon Coveney etc). It is a government sanctioned cartel. When farmers tried to ask for a decent price they were threatened with prison for daring to challenge it. They make billions And stamp Irish quality assured on polish meat.

Is it Polish meat?

Guy:Incognito

little bit of help wrote: »

The government allow it because a lot of them have ties to the industry (Simon Coveney etc)..

I dont know much about the meat industry beyond liking their product, but this line, or a variation on it, is thrown out in discussions about every industry at some point.

the purple tin

little bit of help wrote: »

It's modern slavery. Meat industry is built on cheap labour and materials and fooking over the consumer. The government allow it because a lot of them have ties to the industry (Simon Coveney etc). It is a government sanctioned cartel. When farmers tried to ask for a decent price they were threatened with prison for daring to challenge it. They make billions And stamp Irish quality assured on polish meat.

It is bad here but in America it is 10 times worse. Meat packing plants are the most dangerous workplace over there, employees are treated like crap and paid a pittance, their line moves much faster too.

It is the same with the politicians the cartels have them bought off or else people/lawyers from their company take up the relevant political office and change the laws to suit them.


There is a great book called Fast Food Nation all about it, it tells about how the small farmer is being screwed by factory farms as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation


If we don't put some policies and guidelines in place we could end up as bad as the states.

JasonStatham

Direct provision is such a scam.

the purple tin

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I dont know much about the meat industry beyond liking their product, but this line, or a variation on it, is thrown out in discussions about every industry at some point.

That's because it is common practice nowadays, lobby groups etc.
In America it is like a revolving door of workers moving from government positions to multinationals to further their own ends. Same with the FDA.


Political donations and promise of a cushy job are used to bribe politicians too, or a seat on the board at the company. Cash bribes are pretty much redundant now.

Guy:Incognito

the purple tin wrote: »

That's because it is common practice nowadays, lobby groups etc.
In America it is like a revolving door of workers moving from government positions to multinationals to further their own ends. Same with the FDA.


Political donations and promise of a cushy job are used to bribe politicians too, or a seat on the board at the company. Cash bribes are pretty much redundant now.

But it just gets to the point where anything can be accused of have "ties" to something without it meaning much.

Landlords accuse the government of being anti landlord with policies while renter's accuse the government of being anti renter and lining landlords pockets.

Maybe government isn't a black and white thing and someone not getting what they want isn't automatically the government being in the pockets of the people they disagree with........

little bit of help

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Is it Polish meat?

Some of it is. Two factories in Poland (owned by larry goodman)were given permission by Bord Bia to have the Irish QA labels.

little bit of help

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I dont know much about the meat industry beyond liking their product, but this line, or a variation on it, is thrown out in discussions about every industry at some point.

Simon Coveney married Larry Goodmans niece. Barry Cowen tried to get permission to open a meat factory recently. There was another who's brother was running a meat factory. Can't remember which one sorry. It was in one of the papers a while back but I've a head like a sieve!

NomadicGray

mask up, go out and block their gates like the farmers did not too long ago.

tonysopprano

How do you find out how many work permits, especially for brazilians, to work in meat factories, were granted this year?

statesaver

little bit of help wrote: »

Some of it is. Two factories in Poland (owned by larry goodman)were given permission by Bord Bia to have the Irish QA labels.

Larry Maith An Fear knows all the tricks and has government blessing and help.

MickeyLeari

little bit of help wrote: »

Some of it is. Two factories in Poland (owned by larry goodman)were given permission by Bord Bia to have the Irish QA labels.

Thanks - will ask for a parliamentary question on this.

statesaver

NomadicGray wrote: »

mask up, go out and block their gates like the farmers did not too long ago.

And get threated with jail like farmers were not too long ago ? Only virtue signalling protests like BLM are permitted. Everything else is strictly verboten.

dhaughton99

I asked this on another thread but should Brady’s ham and the likes be pulled from from the shelves or boycotted?

Atlantic Dawn

tonysopprano wrote: »

How do you find out how many work permits, especially for brazilians, to work in meat factories, were granted this year?

1400 Brazilians given work permits last year, unsure exact breakdown for meat industry, details here...

https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Employment-Permit-Statistics-2019.html

Atlantic Dawn

dhaughton99 wrote: »

I asked this on another thread but should Brady’s ham and the likes be pulled from from the shelves or boycotted?

I would doubt it will be on the shopping lists for any retaurants in the area.

Cilldara_2000

dhaughton99 wrote: »

I asked this on another thread but should Brady’s ham and the likes be pulled from from the shelves or boycotted?

What/who are "and the likes"?

WoollyRedHat

We need to reclaim the power of boycotting.

I think Irish people should absolutely boycott companies involved in unsavoury practices, it's the only way to invoke change, hit them in the wallet.

dhaughton99

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

What/who are "and the likes"?

Which ever factory’s are shown to full of wuhan.

Cilldara_2000

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We need to reclaim the power of boycotting.

I think Irish people should absolutely boycott companies involved in unsavoury practices, it's the only way to invoke change, hit them in the wallet.

I don't disagree but I think this would be incredibly difficult to actually do. You'd end up eating nothing but spuds and only drinking milk, wearing hippie ethical clothes that cost three or four times more than the products made in sweatshops, and you'd have virtually no electronics given how far up the hole of deeply unpleasant far east regimes that particular industry is.

CoBo55

the purple tin wrote: »

That's because it is common practice nowadays, lobby groups etc.
In America it is like a revolving door of workers moving from government positions to multinationals to further their own ends. Same with the FDA.


Political donations and promise of a cushy job are used to bribe politicians too, or a seat on the board at the company. Cash bribes are pretty much redundant now.

Bring back the Galway races tent I say!!!

Jim Root

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/1291693959228661760?s=20

This was the communication from the representative of Meat Industries Ireland back in July when questioned by a TD about compliance/ about potential outbreaks in their industry and if they had engaged with employee union.Please watch this video to understand the nature of Irish corporate society.When asked direct questions about engagement with the unions, the representative skirted around the issue. The disregard for employees is shocking throughout.

The representative when pressed gave an incomprehensible answer that is reminiscent of Brian Cowen's bumbling communications. What's worse is this is a clear style of communication, pushed by public advisers. These people aren't thick but they are extremely dubious.

The race to the bottom for a quick buck is inherent in the structure of these organisations. They prey off of migrant workers and stamp on basic employee rights and the most galling thing is that they won't answer for this. We need to call a halt to these practices, they're a human rights issue and a public health one too.

People who are surprised about outbreaks in meat factories shouldn't be after watching that video.. pure arrogance.

Will you pay a little bit more for a slice of ham to stop all this?

Cilldara_2000

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Which ever factory’s are shown to full of wuhan.

And how do we find out which factories the 1125 cases in the meat processing industry up to the start of July were in?

Apparently there's ~15000 people employed in the meat processing industry. They had 1125 cases over a month ago. Add in the recent spikes, it's possible it's passed 1500 by now. That's 10% of all employees. Could well have been in every one of the 46 locations.

You might have to go vegetarian! :pac:

dhaughton99

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

And how do we find out which factories the 1125 cases in the meat processing industry up to the start of July were in?

Apparently there's ~15000 people employed in the meat processing industry. They had 1125 cases over a month ago. Add in the recent spikes, it's possible it's passed 1500 by now. That's 10% of all employees. Could well have been in every one of the 46 locations.

You might have to go vegetarian! :pac:

Well you could start with the “home of the family ham“

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/its-not-exactly-a-bereavement-but-close-to-it-locals-feeling-fearful-in-townland-at-eye-of-new-covid-storm-39432517.html

the purple tin

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But it just gets to the point where anything can be accused of have "ties" to something without it meaning much.

Landlords accuse the government of being anti landlord with policies while renter's accuse the government of being anti renter and lining landlords pockets.

Maybe government isn't a black and white thing and someone not getting what they want isn't automatically the government being in the pockets of the people they disagree with........

Read that book Fast Food Nation, you will be shocked at just how powerful the meat cartels are. Did you know for instance that meat companies do not have to do a product recall or warn the public even if they send out infected meat that can kill people (I hope the law has changed now but who knows?). It is totally up to their disgression to do a recall or not.
Also Guy read Seeds of Destruction by F William Engdahl. It deals more with crops and how all the world's grain and seed companies are being bought up into one huge cartel so they can corner the market, but it touches on factory farms too, lots of political chicanery going on also.
You would not believe half of what these multinationals get away with.

4Ad

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/1291693959228661760?s=20

This was the communication from the representative of Meat Industries Ireland back in July when questioned by a TD about compliance/ about potential outbreaks in their industry and if they had engaged with employee union.Please watch this video to understand the nature of Irish corporate society.When asked direct questions about engagement with the unions, the representative skirted around the issue. The disregard for employees is shocking throughout.

The representative when pressed gave an incomprehensible answer that is reminiscent of Brian Cowen's bumbling communications. What's worse is this is a clear style of communication, pushed by public advisers. These people aren't thick but they are extremely dubious.

The race to the bottom for a quick buck is inherent in the structure of these organisations. They prey off of migrant workers and stamp on basic employee rights and the most galling thing is that they won't answer for this. We need to call a halt to these practices, they're a human rights issue and a public health one too.

People who are surprised about outbreaks in meat factories shouldn't be after watching that video.. pure arrogance.

Meat Industry Rep is some spoofer..

MickeyLeari

4Ad wrote: »

Meat Industry Rep is some spoofer..

What is the competitive position of the meat processors? Is there fair competition or is it controlled by 1 or 2 main players.

WoollyRedHat

Jim Root wrote: »

Will you pay a little bit more for a slice of ham to stop all this?

Absolutely.

WoollyRedHat

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I don't disagree but I think this would be incredibly difficult to actually do. You'd end up eating nothing but spuds and only drinking milk, wearing hippie ethical clothes that cost three or four times more than the products made in sweatshops, and you'd have virtually no electronics given how far up the hole of deeply unpleasant far east regimes that particular industry is.

I agree that if we tried to buy ethical it would be very difficult, mass consumerism is built on slave labour and the EU is severely lacking when it comes to tackling this, but I think it's all about baby steps and we should at least confront these organisations who chase the dollar before anything else, when they are on our doorstep, as a starting point.