Advice, applied for public sector job

tombom112

Hi all


Looking for advice, applied to a large public body and got the below on 13-05-20


Dear Candidate,

Please be advised that you have been deemed eligible for interview for the above campaign.

Interviews will be held for each region and panels will be formed.

Could you please confirm which region you would like to be interviewed for via the email below before 12noon on Thursday


The rest of the notice was what region I wanted to be interviewed for, then yesterday I got the below


Dear Candidate,

Thank you for your application for the position of the ________ Officer.

Due to the high volume of applications, we were required to short list based on the requirements of the post as outlined in the eligibility criteria in conjunction with the information provided by candidates. I regret to advise that your application will not be progressing to interview stage, on this occasion.

The results of short listing does not deem that some applicants are necessarily unsuitable or incapable of undertaking the job, rather that there are some candidates, who based on their application, demonstrated to be better qualified and/or have more relevant experience.


As you can see its a canned response to the job, being as its a public body is there anything I can do, I've already asked and the was told in the first notice that I was eligible but was shortlisted, then asked to speak with a manger, heard nothing back, however there is no mention that more shortlisting was going to happen in the first notice and I would get a interview in time.


Don't know if there is anything to do but I'm a bit pissed off, any advise is welcome even if its "Nay, get on with your life"


By the way I have well over 5 years experience and 2 directly in the same sector and a degree and etc etc etc



Thanks

gmisk

tombom112 wrote: »

Hi all


Looking for advice, applied to a large public body and got the below on 13-05-20


Dear Candidate,

Please be advised that you have been deemed eligible for interview for the above campaign.

Interviews will be held for each region and panels will be formed.

Could you please confirm which region you would like to be interviewed for via the email below before 12noon on Thursday


The rest of the notice was what region I wanted to be interviewed for, then yesterday I got the below


Dear Candidate,

Thank you for your application for the position of the ________ Officer.

Due to the high volume of applications, we were required to short list based on the requirements of the post as outlined in the eligibility criteria in conjunction with the information provided by candidates. I regret to advise that your application will not be progressing to interview stage, on this occasion.

The results of short listing does not deem that some applicants are necessarily unsuitable or incapable of undertaking the job, rather that there are some candidates, who based on their application, demonstrated to be better qualified and/or have more relevant experience.


As you can see its a canned response to the job, being as its a public body is there anything I can do, I've already asked and the was told in the first notice that I was eligible but was shortlisted, then asked to speak with a manger, heard nothing back, however there is no mention that more shortlisting was going to happen in the first notice and I would get a interview in time.


Don't know if there is anything to do but I'm a bit pissed off, any advise is welcome even if its "Nay, get on with your life"


By the way I have well over 5 years experience and 2 directly in the same sector and a degree and etc etc etc



Thanks

Who ran the competition was it PAS?
They have a complaints procedure if you want to go down that route

tombom112

No, not PAS, they have there own portal

gmisk

tombom112 wrote: »

No, not PAS, they have there own portal

Sounds like very little you can do then bar go back to them to clarify why you didn't make it

kathleen37

I got exactly the same from Tusla a few months back.

Who shortlists after asking people for interview? Very annoying.

stinkbomb

gmisk wrote: »

Who ran the competition was it PAS?
They have a complaints procedure if you want to go down that route

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But what's to complain about? The process is open an transparent at all stages. OP was eligible for interview, however after picking his/her region, there were more people who came higher than him on the shortlisting and s/he didn't make the cut off.

My guess would be that the region picked would be Dublin, meaning that OP probably would have made the cut for interview if they had picked Kerry or Sligo.

tombom112

Yeah thats what looks like happen, but the problem is no where in the first email did it say that. It just said you have an interview and where or what region would you like to be interviewed for. I can paste the whole lot if you want to see it.



I'd say their HR department pull the wings off fly's and then watch them dance till they die

tombom112

Looks like its standard for them so Kathleen

Maybe with things getting back up and running they've put in new procedures for social distancing during interviews? This could mean that where they would have interviewed X number of people previously they're now cutting it to half that in order to avoid heavy footfall in the office and candidates packed side-by-side in waiting rooms.

Only a thought, I've no experience with public sector.

stinkbomb

tombom112 wrote: »

Yeah thats what looks like happen, but the problem is no where in the first email did it say that. It just said you have an interview and where or what region would you like to be interviewed for. I can paste the whole lot if you want to see it.



I'd say their HR department pull the wings off fly's and then watch them dance till they die

No, it didn't say "you have an interview". It said you have been deemed eligible for interview. You should probably read the email properly and familiarise yourself with how these things work before complaining.

cee_jay

tombom112 wrote: »

I've already asked and the was told in the first notice that I was eligible but was shortlisted,

The first email doesn't say you were shortlisted - just you were eligible for interview. Eligibility is just confirming you meet the requirements laid out on the job advert - not that you were shortlisted, or being invited to interview.

Mango Joe

OP the above was an brief insight into how these people see fit to do business.

If you had actually got the job then you'd have had the long and excruciatingly painful suffering of a whole career at the hands of these peoples whims, corruptions, inefficiencies, nepotistic behaviours etc etc.

In my experience these people erect multiple impediments to candidates from the private sector climbing on their gravy train....Its the way they like it.

kathleen37

I do think it could be clearer, as I too thought I'd got through to interview and in the very pleasant emails I had, I wasn't led to believe that shortlisting hadn't taken place yet (though to be fair, I didn't ask that specific question) As well as advising eligibility, the email did state,

"Could you please confirm which region you would like to be interviewed for via the email below before 12noon on Thursday"

I'm coming from the private sector so it just caught me out. It's all experience - I know now.

Hopefully this thread will give others a heads up.

***Edit***

Ooops - just edited as I'm coming from the private sector not public.

the14thwarrior

I suppose now you know
it happens, and for a good reason they can't interview everyone.
they need to whittle down again, i don't see any harm, except of course the disappointment
when they send out jobs, they will never know how many will respond
and then they have to interview a certain amount,
and then you either pass or fail and get put on a panel
and then you have to wait on a panel in the hope you get a job before the panel is retired

its exausting

noodler

Mango Joe wrote: »

OP the above was an brief insight into how these people see fit to do business.

If you had actually got the job then you'd have had the long and excruciatingly painful suffering of a whole career at the hands of these peoples whims, corruptions, inefficiencies, nepotistic behaviours etc etc.

In my experience these people erect multiple impediments to candidates from the private sector climbing on their gravy train....Its the way they like it.

Advertising for the craic, is it?

the14thwarrior

noodler wrote: »

Advertising for the craic, is it?

whats your problem? i put an ad in for a position and got 96 replies.
seriously want me to interview 46 people? get a grip idiot,

kathleen37

Yes, recruiting is a headache, in all sectors!

It did bring it home when I recently applied for a job and the application stated;

"...the competition will close at 5pm on Friday *date*, or when the total number of applications received reaches 1,200, whichever is the earlier."

Now that really threw me... :0)

the14thwarrior

keep applying.
for all jobs
something will give
and if you do get an interview cross reference the competencies with your responses and make sure you get all the buzz words in

Augme

I am not sure many other public sector places recruit this way. Certainly don't in the civil service. It's a bizarre way to phrase it all and to me highlights a lack of thought or care for candidates.

Kristopherus

Mango Joe wrote: »

OP the above was an brief insight into how these people see fit to do business.

If you had actually got the job then you'd have had the long and excruciatingly painful suffering of a whole career at the hands of these peoples whims, corruptions, inefficiencies, nepotistic behaviours etc etc.

In my experience these people erect multiple impediments to candidates from the private sector climbing on their gravy train....Its the way they like it.

Absolute B.S.

FluffPiece

Most likely they shortlisted again to bring number of candidates down solely for online interview purposes or interviews with social distancing. Try to remember they can't have too many candidates even in the waiting rooms these days etc.

tombom112

Yeah they are doing them through Microsoft Teams

noodler

the14thwarrior wrote: »

whats your problem? i put an ad in for a position and got 96 replies.
seriously want me to interview 46 people? get a grip idiot,

Not sure who you are but probably took me up wrong

wrangler

Mango Joe wrote: »

OP the above was an brief insight into how these people see fit to do business.

If you had actually got the job then you'd have had the long and excruciatingly painful suffering of a whole career at the hands of these peoples whims, corruptions, inefficiencies, nepotistic behaviours etc etc.

In my experience these people erect multiple impediments to candidates from the private sector climbing on their gravy train....Its the way they like it.

Pulling up the ladder, eh

Mango Joe

I've a long career in IT behind me - Over the years I've considered multiple IT positions as advertised on Publicjobs.

They really do have it set up that its just not practical to drop back to Grade whatever on 29k per annum to take up the position.

rock22

Mango Joe wrote: »

I've a long career in IT behind me - Over the years I've considered multiple IT positions as advertised on Publicjobs.

They really do have it set up that its just not practical to drop back to Grade whatever on 29k per annum to take up the position.

What has your experience to do with the OPs question? You have already posted nonsense in your previous post.

bilbot79

gmisk wrote: »

Who ran the competition was it PAS?
They have a complaints procedure if you want to go down that route

Yes. Yes. Force your way into a new job via the complaints procedure. Great idea!!

Mango Joe

rock22 wrote: »

What has your experience to do with the OPs question? You have already posted nonsense in your previous post.

I was replying to another Poster, were you having trouble following the thread?

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't be a Bigot towards the opinions of others please.

The reference to my experience was that despite having the required skills, education and experience to walk into any number of Public service IT jobs the system as is prohibits this through making you start at a very low grade thus slashing your current earnings.

This is despite them supposedly endeavouring to attract the best and most suitable Candidates.

rock22

Mango Joe wrote: »

I was replying to another Poster, were you having trouble following the thread?

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't be a Bigot towards the opinions of others please.

The reference to my experience was that despite having the required skills, education and experience to walk into any number of Public service IT jobs the system as is prohibits this through making you start at a very low grade thus slashing your current earnings.

This is despite them supposedly endeavouring to attract the best and most suitable Candidates.

And exactly how is all this relevant to the OP ?

kippy

Mango Joe wrote: »

I was replying to another Poster, were you having trouble following the thread?

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't be a Bigot towards the opinions of others please.

The reference to my experience was that despite having the required skills, education and experience to walk into any number of Public service IT jobs the system as is prohibits this through making you start at a very low grade thus slashing your current earnings.

This is despite them supposedly endeavouring to attract the best and most suitable Candidates.

The suggestion that there is an intentional policy in place to stop private sector workers moving into the public sector is ridiculous.
There are plenty hoops to jump through but the process is transparent and as fair or fairer than many recruitment procedures.
As for the salary being lower than private sector, many would disagree with this. But it would depend on any number of variables and some though has to be given to other aspects of the package.

OP, this is unfortunate but it does look as if your location preference is a popular choice. Keep trying though.

dubrov

Mango Joe wrote:

The reference to my experience was that despite having the required skills, education and experience to walk into any number of Public service IT jobs the system as is prohibits this through making you start at a very low grade thus slashing your current earnings.

That is certainly not true for IT. You can go in at any grade

kathleen37

I read that post as you go in at the lowest pay grade. No negotiation on salary for Public sector roles which isn't a thing in the private sector.

tombom112

I went in as a Grade 5 and know other people going in as grade 7 which was based on there skills and experience, but there is no negotiation on money you get which is based on the grade

Augme

Each grade sas a different pay structure in the civil service. For example in the civil service there are EO IT positions and Assistant principal IT positions. Not sure about Higher executive officer IT positions as open competitions but starting pay there is circa 44k.

EO starting pay is circa 30k. AP starting paying is circa 64k.

KaneToad

Mango Joe wrote: »

The reference to my experience was that despite having the required skills, education and experience to walk into any number of Public service IT jobs the system as is prohibits this through making you start at a very low grade thus slashing your current earnings...

But, what about the gravy train?

Hotblack Desiato

stinkbomb wrote: »

My guess would be that the region picked would be Dublin, meaning that OP probably would have made the cut for interview if they had picked Kerry or Sligo.

This is something that really bugged me about decentralisation, they were willing to promote low quality candidates purely on their willingness to move to an unpopular region.

And some a few years away from retirement were willing to move temporarily to lock in a higher final salary for the pension

Neither of these was in the interest of the taxpayer or better public services. A billion spunked and nothing to show for it except less efficient public services.

Hotblack Desiato

Mango Joe wrote: »

This is despite them supposedly endeavouring to attract the best and most suitable Candidates.

They're not willing to pay industry going rates, this is true for all specialist posts, not just IT.

But all public servants are riding a gravy train, apparently :rolleyes: