Premiership Rugby 2020-2021

The Lost Sheep

Thought may as well start a new thread for next season
Few moves for irish players.
Former Ireland U20, Ulster, and Terenure tighthead Craig Trenier has signed for Harlequins from Ealing
Brian Byrne joining Bristol. Dan Kelly joining Leicester.

Full list of transfers so far
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2020%E2%80%9321_Premiership_Rugby_transfers

Cookiemunster

Wouldn't be better to wait until they've finished the current season in October? All the above transfers will be active in the finish to the 2019/20 season.

The Lost Sheep

Exeter to keep Chiefs name & logo, but retire 'Big Chief' mascot

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/53587404

Dave_The_Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Exeter to keep Chiefs name & logo, but retire 'Big Chief' mascot

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/53587404

Weird decision.

Half way (if even half way) won't satisfy anyone.

bilston

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Weird decision.

Half way (if even half way) won't satisfy anyone.

Why is the name Exeter Chiefs offensive and who finds it offensive?

Dave_The_Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Why is the name Exeter Chiefs offensive and who finds it offensive?

I don't recall saying it is or that someone did. I didn't proffer my opinion on that matter, I merely said that the decision is basically going half way - which will probably piss off both sides of the discussion.

bilston

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

I don't recall saying it is or that someone did. I didn't proffer my opinion on that matter, I merely said that the decision is basically going half way - which will probably piss off both sides of the discussion.

Didn't say you did. I just quoted your post in order to ask what was genuinely an honest question.

I'll happily edit my post to unquote your post if you want?

Dave_The_Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Didn't say you did. I just quoted your post in order to ask what was genuinely an honest question.

I'll happily edit my post to unquote your post if you want?

Nah, no big deal. I took your question the wrong way.

The name itself, nothing too bad. The mascot, emblem, etc, slightly more problematic, it seems.

From what I've read on the matter, some make a point that a (predominantly white, I'd guess) club in England with no ties to Native Americans or their culture are using elements of that culture for marketing/branding reasons, and making money off that. Could be argued that's exploitative, and given the exploitation/opression that Native Americans have suffered in the past at the hands of predominantly white people, that it's ... insensitive and tasteless, to put it mildly.

I personally don't really care either way, but I'm not Native American and the argument above is reasonable enough in my view. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say 'offensive', but certainly distasteful.

Given that they've just retired the mascot, but appear to be keeping the logo, it's just odd. If the mascot is an issue, surely the logo is too. Given they could rebrand fairly easily and keep the Chiefs name, it seemed a bit of a no-brainer. But then again, I'm not on the board (or whatever they have), or a marketing guru, so it's entirely possible I'm talking sh*t.

Dave_The_Sheep

(I'm also fully sure there are more points to it than above, by the way)

Former Former

Seems reasonable enough. I don't think 'Chiefs' is derogatory in the same that 'Redskins' would be, or even 'Indians'. Dropping the mascot makes sense. I don't like it when people get outraged on other people's behalf, and I doubt many native Americans give a f**k to be honest.

molloyjh

Former Former wrote: »

Seems reasonable enough. I don't think 'Chiefs' is derogatory in the same that 'Redskins' would be, or even 'Indians'. Dropping the mascot makes sense. I don't like it when people get outraged on other people's behalf, and I doubt many native Americans give a f**k to be honest.

I'd be curious if many of them are even aware of the rugby union team from Exeter. That said, Exeter are perpetuating a pretty crass stereotype so I get why people might find it crass or tasteless. Outrage or offence would be pushing it unless those people have ties to the Native American community.

Former Former

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd be curious if many of them are even aware of the rugby union team from Exeter. That said, Exeter are perpetuating a pretty crass stereotype so I get why people might find it crass or tasteless. Outrage or offence would be pushing it unless those people have ties to the Native American community.

Nope, they're outraged alright;



Is this what ye young fellas call virtue signalling?

Squidgy Black

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd be curious if many of them are even aware of the rugby union team from Exeter. That said, Exeter are perpetuating a pretty crass stereotype so I get why people might find it crass or tasteless. Outrage or offence would be pushing it unless those people have ties to the Native American community.

There was an interview from an Omaha tribe member from Nebraska on BBC5Live the other day speaking about it.

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1288756542020476929?s=20

molloyjh

Former Former wrote: »

Nope, they're outraged alright;



Is this what ye young fellas call virtue signalling?

Young fella!? Ah FF, you shouldn't have.

Yeah, I dont get being outraged on other peoples behalf. But then there's a lot of moral high horsing going around these days....

thomond2006

I was at an Exeter game and did find the imagery/branding a bit bizarre.

molloyjh

Squidgy Black wrote: »

There was an interview from an Omaha tribe member from Nebraska on BBC5Live the other day speaking about it.

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1288756542020476929?s=20

No doubt those who actively campaign on these sorts of issues know, but i was more wondering how many in the wider Native American community would.

I do think its crass, but beyond that I find it simply odd. Why did Exeter choose this? Do they have some link to the Native American community or was it just a gimmick? I'd wonder how we'd feel if an English sports team decided to call themselves the Paddys and had a drunken leprechaun as their mascot as a gimmick, like the character from the Simpsons. Obviously I couldn't give a crap about the latter, but I'd imagine there would be a good deal of outrage here to the former...

thomond2006

I read recently on wiki that Saracens FC came out of a merger between a "Saracens" club and a "Crusaders" club.

Former Former

molloyjh wrote: »

No doubt those who actively campaign on these sorts of issues know, but i was more wondering how many in the wider Native American community would.

I do think its crass, but beyond that I find it simply odd. Why did Exeter choose this? Do they have some link to the Native American community or was it just a gimmick? I'd wonder how we'd feel if an English sports team decided to call themselves the Paddys and had a drunken leprechaun as their mascot as a gimmick, like the character from the Simpsons. Obviously I couldn't give a crap about the latter, but I'd imagine there would be a good deal of outrage here to the former...

thomond2006

Former Former wrote: »

That branding I'm sure has helped to spread the angry/fighting/drunk stereotype that you often hear in US television. Whatever about the drunk connotation (:pac:) I don't find Irish people more angry or ill-tempered than others!

sydthebeat

i personally dont give 2 fecks about the notre dame logo and mascot.....

Clegg

Agustin Creevy and Rob Simmons are expected to sign for London Irish. They're starting to resemble a world class side from 2016.

Squidgy Black

molloyjh wrote: »

No doubt those who actively campaign on these sorts of issues know, but i was more wondering how many in the wider Native American community would.

I do think its crass, but beyond that I find it simply odd. Why did Exeter choose this? Do they have some link to the Native American community or was it just a gimmick? I'd wonder how we'd feel if an English sports team decided to call themselves the Paddys and had a drunken leprechaun as their mascot as a gimmick, like the character from the Simpsons. Obviously I couldn't give a crap about the latter, but I'd imagine there would be a good deal of outrage here to the former...

Yeah I doubt there's a lot of focus on it stateside, especially considering what's happening over there, just thought it was interesting that there was input from Native Americans on it at all.

The Notre Dame thing is a little bit different though FF considering the origins of it are likely because of the President of Notre Dame who was a chaplain with the Irish Brigade in the civil war, and the fact that Indiana would've had a massive Irish immigrant population (think they're still something like the second largest ethnic group in Indianapolis).

As molloy says, it's just a bit strange that Exeter chose it as their branding at all, outside of marketing and PR purposes you'd wonder what the ties are. Which is where the outrage for using it comes from I'd say. No doubt there's definitely a strong wave of white people being outraged on behalf of minorities about it, but it's all just a bit iffy.

Dog Botherer

tbh it all smacks of “well changing all the branding would cost too much but it only costs a few hundred quid for a new mascot costume”.

mostly it’s a very stupid decision because it’s only going to piss off protesters who see it (rightfully) as doubling down on their racism, while the people who were supporting keeping it will see it as caving to the “woke leftist brigade” or whatever right wing nonsense they’re pushing these days.

thomond2006

sydthebeat wrote: »

i personally dont give 2 fecks about the notre dame logo and mascot.....

The fecks I give extend to not wearing anything ND related.

Former Former

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/channel-5-to-show-four-gallagher-premiership-rugby-matches-live-starting-this-saturday

Four games live FTA on Channel 5 this weekend.

Holy crap. Live, proper rugby.

Dave_The_Sheep

Former Former wrote: »

Holy crap. Live, proper rugby.

Ballsy.

irishbucsfan

Been too long since we had rugby from the top hemisphere

icdg

Former Former wrote: »

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/channel-5-to-show-four-gallagher-premiership-rugby-matches-live-starting-this-saturday

Four games live FTA on Channel 5 this weekend.

Holy crap. Live, proper rugby.

It’s not quite four this weekend! It’s four games, one a week for the next four weeks.

Every other PRL game is live on BT Sport.

thomond2006

Harlequins:
Brown; Ashton, Marchant, Lang, Earle; Smith, Landajo;
Marler, Baldwin, Kerrod, Lewies, Symons, Chisholm, Robshaw (capt), Dombrandt.

Replacements: Gray, Garcia Botta, Collier, Lamb, Lawday, Evans, Steele, Lasike.

Sale:
Hammersley; McGuigan, Tuilagi, Hill, Yarde; R du Preez, de Klerk;
Oosthuizen, van der Merwe, John, J-L du Preez, de Jager, Ross (capt), T Curry, D du Preez.

Replacements: Langdon, Harrison, Cooper-Wooley, Phillips, B Curry, Cliff, MacGinty, Solomona.

Dog Botherer

fierce stench of Munster off that Sale side, 7 Saffas by my count

thomond2006

Dog Botherer wrote: »

fierce stench of Munster off that Sale side, 7 Saffas by my count

8 and Byron McGuigan came through the Western Province youth system.

Dog Botherer

jesus. less than half a dozen Sale produced players i think. rough.

Dog Botherer

that Du Preez lad is one of the worst 10s i’ve ever seen

OldRio

Something a bit different. Live rugby. Terrestrial TV.
Exeter v Leicester on Channel 5.

Dog Botherer

first game over early on with a stupid red card. second game started out decent with Leicester putting on a decent show but now Exeter are slowly mulching them as they do.

about to try the Bath-LI game now, hopefully it’s more of a contest.

Dog Botherer

Bath up 17-0 after 20 minutes, not looking too promising

Dog Botherer

Bath easy winners in the end. Sarries and Bristol seem more evenly matched.

yerrahbah

Do BT seem to be supporting Saracens?

PMC83

Sarries looking strong. That smothering game that killed Leinster last year still in effect.

Clegg

Bristol beat Saracens. Neither side played their best as it's basically a pre-season game, but a very interesting game nonetheless. Saracens got a grip of Bristol up front but couldn't convert to points. Bristol ride their luck a bit, but when it came time to score they converted from a lineout

Dog Botherer

yerrahbah wrote: »

Do BT seem to be supporting Saracens?

co-com seemed devastated at the final whistle

bilston

Clegg wrote: »

Bristol beat Saracens. Neither side played their best as it's basically a pre-season game, but a very interesting game nonetheless. Saracens got a grip of Bristol up front but couldn't convert to points. Bristol ride their luck a bit, but when it came time to score they converted from a lineout

I only watched bits of the game today but is that the team Saracens will be fielding in the Championship?

Clegg

bilston wrote: »

I only watched bits of the game today but is that the team Saracens will be fielding in the Championship?

Alex Goode is going to Japan once the season finally ends. Other than that I think the rest will be in the Championship.

Ben Earl was playing against them today. He's on loan to Bristol until the end of next season.

Clegg

Sale haven't done well since the restart. Two losses from two games. The latest one is against Exeter so that's not the end of the world. But what's most problematic from their pov is the amount of penalties they've conceded. Sixteen in their game against Harlequins and twenty three tonight. Conceded five more than Harlequins and nine more than Exeter in their respective games.

Dave_The_Sheep

I honestly thought that was going to be a lot uglier for Gloucester than it turns out to be.

sydthebeat

Very similar scores so far in the four games that have finished

We've had
32-22
32-17
33-24
38-24

And I can imagine the two remaining games to have similar outcomes

CMcsporty

My God London Irish are baad!
Is this their strongest team?
I know SOB is not playing (injured again?) but he fin anyway.

Squidgy Black

CMcsporty wrote: »

My God London Irish are baad!
Is this their strongest team?
I know SOB is not playing (injured again?) but he fin anyway.

Something like 9 changes in the starting 15 from last week against Bath, 6 of them in the pack incl a whole new front row.

CMcsporty

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Something like 9 changes in the starting 15 from last week against Bath, 6 of them in the pack incl a whole new front row.

Ok. Thanks. That goes some way to explain it.
Disjointed and Clueless is been kind!

Digifriendly

Exeter, Bristol, Bath and Wasps all in good nick. Should be interesting run in to playoffs. Sale, Leicester and London Irish look particularly rusty after long break.

sydthebeat

blast from the past as phil dollman gets a start for exeter on tuesday night v bristol....

has only played 200 minutes in the last 20 months.

he will only have to deal with semi radradra running at him all night