Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122979913#Comment_122979913

With the greatest of respect how in the name of **** would you know. Also influence does not have to be public,direct, or explicitly said the very fact there inside the tent looking out and we ate outside the tent looking in tells you all that's needed.

We had a grand setup with the builders and the politicians in Ireland for over 40 years...... they were literally inside of the tent ⛺️. But there was no influence. RIGHT? right?. Everyone i know that used projected urea last year is never using it again but the powers that be say it is grand

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122979553#Comment_122979553

I have spoken to a few Teagasc advisors about folior. Now at present I am not doing folior however I am interested. Any tine I speak about it, similar to DM V DMD in silage ( for beef) they are totally anti it.

My understanding is there folior/carbon/ humic trial was a one season trial. The land it was carried out was variable and old pasture with a large amount of weed. There was no control plots, Humic was put on one with absolutely no fertlizer on it. No advise was asked of experts in that area, Folior was applied on a section that was extremely poor.

It much the same with a meal feeding trial back about 5 years ago that showed feeding 2 kgs V no meal was a zero sum game while feeding 4 kgs was lost making. You will never see that trial highlighted. At the same trial it showed that high DM silage gave better weight gain than low DM with a higher DMD.

As an advisory body to beef farmers where many farmers are part time it's hierarchy will not countenance evening or Saturday events to get advice to those farmers.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980244#Comment_122980244

You won't be sorry test both batteries well it's the only fault I have heard of that a battery loosing charge after a day or two. He got one on warranty

green daries

@yosemeitesam But that'snot allowed under competition law's

yewdairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980179#Comment_122980179

Do you honestly think the board of teagasc approve every experiment? What your suggesting is senior researchers have no power to organize and conduct experiments.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980179#Comment_122980179

Against. Because the urea can be sourced anywhere. Prilled, granular, whatever. If 7 units is being used instead of 20 units. That's two thirds less in sales.

Conspiracy hat again on. But the protected in the urea case damages the soil life and the more it's applied the more cumulative damage is done and that lessons the soils own ability in grassland to build soil life and provide nitrogen from the soil life to the grass plant. So you are decreasing the soils own ability to generate nitrogen from the atmosphere through soil life. And thus making yourself more reliant on N fertiliser.

So I've a former option to reduce sales and a later option to maintain sales and possibly increase down the line with a greater revenue on product per ton. If I was in the business of selling fert I wonder which angle would make more economic sense for now and into the future.

A farmer is typing this. But as a farmer that's used foliar knows that foliar are conditions dependent. There's times it makes more sense to apply the granular over the foliar. It's a tool but not a limiting tool in the arsenal. It's a tool nonetheless to use two thirds less nitrogen in a round than out with the fert spreader. And your P and K will still be needed through the fert spreader. But you have an option now of the micronutrients or plant ferments through the sprayer (any liquid).

yewdairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980261#Comment_122980261

Again what you are suggesting about how the trial was run is nonsense, no competent researcher would design an experiment like this, what you are saying about that trial is entirely made you.

There are a huge number of teagasc events run in the evening, they are advertised regularly, you would need to be living under a rock not to have seen them advertised. Added to that all there online stuff is free and available anytime

Teagasc are far from the perfect organization but a lot of what is said here is entirely fabricated. They are a public organization how the organization is run is freely available and their experiments are published

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980261#Comment_122980261

Anyone have a link to this? Teagasc website shows nothing

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980359#Comment_122980359

NNow There's the first mistake you've made there's very few competent people in teagasc ..... if there was they wouldn't have made a heams of the job like they did ............ we never thought of the calf speil anyone?? (by product in there eyes )

Why hadn't they a plan unplaced and the studies done and all their ducks in a row when It came to the derogation?

You could drive a coach and four through any argument setting out teagasc as even remotely competent

green daries

@yewdairy He's correct in everything he's said there.......there's a reason it's not mentioned on the website.....but I presume you are not innocent enough that you know all that already 😉

Say my name

The Solohead experiment and deceiving of silage bought by a head who got promoted across onto another project. Instead of the whole thing blown up out in the open and the researcher defending the action publicly which is what should have happened. That severely has soured public opinion of Teagasc.

From one view where it was thought they had the farmer's back to the other view those at the top were completely vain and pushed false figures.

It'd remind you of from this part of the country in times past of Bishop Comiskey must not be questioned.

yewdairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980390#Comment_122980390

What exactly is the issue with calves? There was 1.6 million calves born on Irish dairy farms in 2024, they all found homes, the calf trade for 2025 looks better again. When calf welfare on Irish farms compared to any other country it's world leading. It's why Irish calves are so sought after by European veal units.

Things changing big time in derogation too, it much more likely we will keep it in some form. It is also a European directive which teagasc can't control

CasePuma

Trump being elected will help farmers here, the same push for environmental reg won't be there when the USA are doing fwck all

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980431#Comment_122980431

@green daries was highlighting the famous we forgot about the calf in Teagasc's push at changing cow type within the dairy system. They forgot about cull cow value as well. However the calf issue was aamuch more serious problems it caused a calf welfare issue where dairy farmer with the cist of rearing a negatvalue calf tried to get tge calf into the mart younger and younger. It saw a situation where calf slaughter number were going to explode.

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122978378#Comment_122978378

Not in a high Mo area here but I'm just wondering, how was land and livestock managed pre the green N revolution?

Its such a large area including some of the best land in the country that there must have been some way.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980431#Comment_122980431

That's enough of **** from you good fooking God Jesus wept.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980415#Comment_122980415

Ahh ya but it was telegraphed a long long way out. They did there best to shut up shop and circle the wagons when greenfield blew up in their faces but sure nothing to see here after all it's European directives ......🥴🥴

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980595#Comment_122980595

You're on fire this evening Green dairies..

But there does deserve explanation for things discussed all through the thread in the farmer's journal or agriland or irish times or where ever.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980684#Comment_122980684

You're not going to bad yourself 😁

green daries

We are never getting an explanation.......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980684#Comment_122980684

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980261#Comment_122980261

there has been no research trials done on foliar in the past. They are being started in 2025 as far as I know.

I know we don’t all agree on teagasc but at the very least they have us all arguing about meal usage and the value of grass fairly frequently. I was watching a farm flix series of videos on a dairy farm in ni last week. He mentioned quite a few times that half the milk cheque went to the feed mill. Thats fairly common in ni, it’s very uncommon in the south

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980894#Comment_122980894

Controlled starvation on a lot of farms is what was going on gtm (not saying you or your father was .… as an ex pig man im surehe knowshis way around nutrition) but in particular the lads who went big and went small jersey or small crossbred cows they weren't very well looked after herds

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122980457#Comment_122980457

There was very little environmental regs there to start with - and frankly it shows with the dire quality of food, water and now Bird flu spreading in Dairy stock due to the feeding of the likes of Chicken litter to cattle. In any case it will be interesting to see how Trumps pic shapes farming as apparently the chap is a "Regenerative" farmer. Big Agri chem companies already nervous about it which is no bad thing…

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122979226#Comment_122979226

Oats only grows well in areas of very high rainfall.

Gawddawggonnit

Teagasc, and pretty much all state funded ‘independent’ advisory bodies around Europe, have an agenda or narrative that reflects their funding/sponsors. It’s a given.

Excellent example…cereal varieties lists.
The wheat varieties that need the contents of Gouldings/Yara and DuPont/Bayer emptied on them, at huge expense, are the best/highest yielding varieties…every time.
Invest €500/ha to gain €80 on yield??

Profit per hectare would be by far the best way of assessing wheat varieties..but that wouldn’t suit seed houses, chemical and fert industries etc etc.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122982132#Comment_122982132

Well said and well put dawg. Another thing a clever relation of mine always said was anyone who has something to sell has not got your best interest in the forefront of their thoughts

straight

Looks promising. Every little helps. Also, storms won't affect it as bad as other ferries.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/plans-for-new-boat-to-take-5000-calves-week-next-spring/

davidk1394

There's a few Kerry tankers passing by my front gate every day heading for Waterford for the last week or so. Is there something up with one of there plants ?

mahoney_j

Kerry plant or part of it could be out for mantinance …we often take in milk from Lakeland ,Kerry ….last winter we sent all our December and good chunk of janurary milk to tipp town whilst we weee doing mantinance

Siamsa Sessions

I'm reading The Unsettling of America at the moment and was reminded of the discussion on here about who influences and who benefits from academic research when I got to p.153:

https://kyl.neocities.org/books/%5BSOC%20BER%5D%20the%20unsettling%20of%20america.pdf

("Land-grant" colleges were originally set up in America to help agriculture and rural communities)