BB/CC cream vs make up routine?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Let me just address the elephant in the room.

Yes I'm a dude.
Yes I wear makeup.
And yes I am strictly into women.

As I understand it, if you're in a hurry, BB/CC creams (applied with a brush?) can provide a nice degree of coverage but in less time.

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Does anyone have an opinion on this matter?

Segotias

I've worn BB/CC Creams as "full make up" on nights out.

I don't like full coverage foundation, it feels to heavy for me. If I can't see my freckles through the make up its too heavy is my rule of thumb.

If using BB/CC cream I treat it the same and apply it the same way as foundation

bo0li5eumx12kp

When it comes to choosing one ^^^, any specific recommendations or is it a case of trying until something fits?

https://www.elle.com/beauty/makeup-skin-care/tips/g8056/best-bb-creams/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCdFZWhQ7V8

Recommendation is brush application it seems with some light concealer and setting powder (are setting powders fairly consistent with one another?)

Are pharmacy BB/CC creams adequate?

I did some pricing in BT and, think it was like, tinted moisturizer - came in about 40 euro's.

Then one recommended CC cream on that link list is like, 6 euros.

Twee.

What are you trying to achieve with the BB/CC cream? If it's to cover small redness or blemishes, I would say try a concealer instead. Reason being, even if it's light coverage, a foundation type product will cover your natural tones and can look very obvious, it can take away the natural contours of your face. Most women would add this back or enhance with blush, contour cream/powder, highlighter etc.

If you get a very good colour match, you could spot apply a BB/CC cream (or maybe light mineral powder foundation) to areas that you need it, but would need to blend well. Personally, I like to use a brush, Real Techniques makes very good brushes for a good price, can get them in Boots. For powders, Rimmel is a solid cheap brand, you're looking for shade Translucent, and will need a powder brush to apply.

I used to love MAC BB cream but they discontinued my colour (rage!), but there might be a shade to suit you.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Twee. wrote: »

What are you trying to achieve with the BB/CC cream? If it's to cover small redness or blemishes, I would say try a concealer instead. Reason being, even if it's light coverage, a foundation type product will cover your natural tones and can look very obvious, it can take away the natural contours of your face. Most women would add this back or enhance with blush, contour cream/powder, highlighter etc.

If you get a very good colour match, you could spot apply a BB/CC cream (or maybe light mineral powder foundation) to areas that you need it, but would need to blend well. Personally, I like to use a brush, Real Techniques makes very good brushes for a good price, can get them in Boots. For powders, Rimmel is a solid cheap brand, you're looking for shade Translucent, and will need a powder brush to apply.

I used to love MAC BB cream but they discontinued my colour (rage!), but there might be a shade to suit you.

Won't a powder foundation require primer?

Purpose with BB/CC cream is time saving, mostly.

The one recommended currently seems to be "Olay Total Effects 7" (though I'm open to suggestion), 1 shade only - don't know how that works.

Segotias

I've used a variety Garnier is about €14, worked well.

I've used an Olay one but can't remember which of the range it was, I found it a bit heavier so mixed it with moisturiser to thin it out. Currently I have one of the CC creams from the IT range, this was a bit more expensive but I was on holidays and treated myself from Sephora.

If its just day wear I would literally just bang on the cream and leave it. If I'm going out I'll bother with primer, concealer and powder. Depends really on the look you and wear and tear on it

Twee.

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Won't a powder foundation require primer?

Purpose with BB/CC cream is time saving, mostly.

The one recommended currently seems to be "Olay Total Effects 7" (though I'm open to suggestion), 1 shade only - don't know how that works.

I don't really get you when you say time saving, what were you using before that was taking up too much time?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Twee. wrote: »

I don't really get you when you say time saving, what were you using before that was taking up too much time?

Usual, primer, foundation, concealer, setting powder - all effectively micro amounts compared to female routine, just for small coverage and improved appearance.

From what I understand now it's possible to use a CC cream well blended to, "save time".

Twee.

Ah ok, I get you. Personally I don't think it would save me much time at all just using CC cream, I'd still likely powder over it and may need to conceal as well if I have bad redness or a spot that day. I suppose you'll need to test it out and see if you can get the desired effect with just the one product. If I was to just pick one product for myself, I'd probably go with a concealer.

A CC cream is generally a lighter coverage than foundation, so it won't give you the same finished look as a combination of what you mentioned. Your mileage may vary but that'd be my experience.

If you want to drop a step, maybe try a setting spray instead of powder. 2-3 spritzes over your face and you're done, no brushes or blending needed, or use a moisturiser that works as a primer as well, so you don't need both.

ILoveYourVibes

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Usual, primer, foundation, concealer, setting powder - all effectively micro amounts compared to female routine, just for small coverage and improved appearance.

From what I understand now it's possible to use a CC cream well blended to, "save time".

It will take you the same amount of time for it to look ok.

BB /CC creams don't make any difference in how long it takes you..that is your dependent on your preferred result.

Purpose with BB/CC cream is time saving, mostly.

No no. They are just more moisturizing.

The only diff between a BB cream and foundation is that it's better (supposedly for your skin).

BB creams are more for dry skin. They sometimes have other added beneficial ingredients.

CC creams are more for oily skin/acne prone skin. CC is short for colour correcting ...meaning it covers up the red pimples on oily skin.

Neither of them are 'faster' per say than foundation.

You apply it exactly how you would foundation..or to your desired look.

I hate powder i find it drying and i don't like the feel ...but if you use it with foundation ..its likely you will have to with BB or CC cream too.

bo0li5eumx12kp

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I hate powder i find it drying and i don't like the feel ...but if you use it with foundation ..its likely you will have to with BB or CC cream too.

What then - setting spray?

A sales person recommended spray she used but I thought it made her look shiny.

I think "matt" finish is the alternate?

I'd go for that.

ILoveYourVibes

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

What then - setting spray?

Nothing.

But that works for me ...you have to find what works for you ..its an art not a science

If i wear foundation ..i don't wear it all over my face tho...just wear i need it ..and not much ...concealer in the worst places only any trouble spots have a lil make up on them ..and if i have a really bad spot or something i just leave it be

Faith

Twee. wrote: »

Ah ok, I get you. Personally I don't think it would save me much time at all just using CC cream, I'd still likely powder over it and may need to conceal as well if I have bad redness or a spot that day. I suppose you'll need to test it out and see if you can get the desired effect with just the one product. If I was to just pick one product for myself, I'd probably go with a concealer.

A CC cream is generally a lighter coverage than foundation, so it won't give you the same finished look as a combination of what you mentioned. Your mileage may vary but that'd be my experience.

If you want to drop a step, maybe try a setting spray instead of powder. 2-3 spritzes over your face and you're done, no brushes or blending needed, or use a moisturiser that works as a primer as well, so you don't need both.

I'd agree with this. I've recently started using a BB cream as an occasional alternative to foundation. For me, I'm using it because I'm working from home, so don't want to be wasting my expensive make up sitting on my own in a room for 8 hours, but I spend a lot of time of video calls, so I'd like some coverage.

I wouldn't describe it as a time-saver though. I apply with my fingers and am less careful than with foundation, but I'd still use concealer around my eyes, powder and a bit of bronzer.

Other times, I just use concealer, powder and bronzer.

In many ways, the BB cream feels like the worst of both worlds to me. It takes longer than just concealer, powder and bronzer, but don't give as nice a finish as using foundation.

bo0li5eumx12kp

No contouring?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Twee. wrote: »

If you get a very good colour match, you could spot apply a BB/CC cream (or maybe light mineral powder foundation) to areas that you need it, but would need to blend well. Personally, I like to use a brush, Real Techniques makes very good brushes for a good price, can get them in Boots. For powders, Rimmel is a solid cheap brand, you're looking for shade Translucent, and will need a powder brush to apply.

Is that brush then confined exclusively to CC cream application?

As in, you wouldn't go using it after for powder application?

I assume one could just get brushes cheap in Primark/Eurogiant...

Twee.

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

No contouring?

Not every person does every single step.

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Is that brush then confined exclusively to CC cream application?

As in, you wouldn't go using it after for powder application?

I assume one could just get brushes cheap in Primark/Eurogiant...

You would use separate brushes as the powder would mix with the left over cream product and make for a very gunky brush.

I haven't used brushes from those shops so can't comment, but you need a foundation brush (different types available) and a powder brush, they'll likely be labelled as such. If you scale up a little bit to say Real Techniques, Blank Canvas or Eco Tools you get a better quality brush that won't lose hairs and will last ages if you look after it.

Faith

Perhaps a useful question is, what’s your aim here? Is it a very natural daytime look, a more ‘done’ daytime look, a nighttime look, an obvious make up look (drag etc)? Is it a daily thing or occasional? Are you willing to spend money on high quality products for a better finish, or would you rather spend on the lower end of the scale?

It’s very hard to advise without knowing that. Contouring, for example, is quite a skill and is very time-consuming comparatively. I’d hazard a guess that most make-up wearers wouldn’t contour for everyday makeup (although I could be wrong).

What’s the rest of your routine normally like?

If I’m trying to save time, I remove products from the list. Whether you’re using foundation, bb/cc cream or tinted moisturizer, you’d be best off really learning how to apply it well rather than aiming for speed at the beginning.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Faith wrote: »

Perhaps a useful question is, what’s your aim here? Is it a very natural daytime look, a more ‘done’ daytime look, a nighttime look, an obvious make up look (drag etc)? Is it a daily thing or occasional? Are you willing to spend money on high quality products for a better finish, or would you rather spend on the lower end of the scale?

It’s very hard to advise without knowing that. Contouring, for example, is quite a skill and is very time-consuming comparatively. I’d hazard a guess that most make-up wearers wouldn’t contour for everyday makeup (although I could be wrong).

What’s the rest of your routine normally like?

If I’m trying to save time, I remove products from the list. Whether you’re using foundation, bb/cc cream or tinted moisturizer, you’d be best off really learning how to apply it well rather than aiming for speed at the beginning.

Aim?

Become competent at makeup application to attain the desired appearance depending on the time in question.

It's always going to be discreet, not overdone, never obvious (and never "drag").

Be able to cater to the occasion, basically.

High end or low cost products, very much at the start of the learning curve so, I guess starting low end.

I think basic steps of coverage are straight forward enough, maybe a little playing around with degree of application to ensue subtlety, and getting the right application method - brush, sponge, fingers, getting a feel for that etc.
And the right products at right time, setting powder vs spray - CC cream vs foundation.

I'll get a cheap brush set and sure I will have that figured out quick enough.


Other routine is basic skin care - exfoliate, occasionally tone and moisturize with either cream or serum.
I tried different skin cares and keeping it basic works best for me.
(I also shoot botox into emerging forehead creases vs tretinoin or anti-wrinkle creams as they were so slow and comparatively ineffective).


I watched some before/after contouring vids and difference can be quite dramatic.
It's all learning, right?
So yes I'm prepared to invest the time to learn correctly for optimal outcome.

Maybe a basic contour pallet recommendation that I can start off with?

But given colours, positioning etc, thus far contouring strikes me as probably the trickiest part to learn.

Airyfairy12

I personally dont like BB/CC creams, I feel like I get much better coverage and natural results with a decent light foundation but I have allot of redness in my skin.
It really depends on you what you want to achieve with your makeup.

Are you adding glow, tint, tan, evening skin tone, covering redness/blemishes.

I also prefer to use my fingers as I think brushes leave lines on the face and dont always buff the makeup in properly, no matter how much I buff my makeup it remains sticky and wont set. I use a brush after ive blended my makeup with my fingers, the brush takes away excess and leaves a nice finish but each to their own.

I love a very natural look, most of the time I look like im not wearing any foundation, if youre interested in product recommendations try Charlotte Tilbury Light wonder foundation, Bourjois healthy mix serum foundation and Mac face and body.
Id also suggest buying a real techniques miracle complexion sponge, you can buy them in most chemists and department stores, Boots sell them for about 8 euro but you can get them cheaper elsewhere.
Real techniques brushes are also brilliant, you can buy brush sets cheap enough.

bo0li5eumx12kp

I was under the impression (knowing little to basically squat about foundation) that one selected one to match their complexion/colour;

I wasn't aware there were lighter and darker foundations but, yeah, light in my case is obviously the one to go for.

I see some dudes behind the counters and, supposedly they're the experts but I honestly don't think their makeup is discreet or quite frankly, particularly well done - simply cause it's too obvious.

The appearance where it's hardly noticeable as in, are they even wearing makeup?

But their skin looks perfect (see this on chicks in department stores etc).

I got one gal to do the primer, foundation, concealer, powder routine and, I hardly noticed it myself;

Now that was a makeup artist so probably gonna take a while for me to get that down myself.

Charlotte Tilbury Light wonder foundation,
Bourjois healthy mix serum foundation and
Mac face and body.

Duly noted.

Primers - I was recommended a translucent silicone primer, sound about right?
Is primer a big consideration or just fairly generic one size fits all?

ILoveYourVibes

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

No contouring?

I don't contour ..i don't like the look. But that is just me.

Segotias

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Primers - I was recommended a translucent silicone primer, sound about right?
Is primer a big consideration or just fairly generic one size fits all?

Primer can depend on your skin type, dry, oily etc. It can also illuminate the skin beneath the foundation or cream used.

In terms of foundation, you will need to colour match, to what is your own choice, some people match to their necks, other their chest, others to their tan. From there you choose coverage from light to full, again its a preference for most or some would lean towards full coverage to hide marks or to last a full night out. Each foundation also has a different finish, matte, dewy etc.

If you're looking at buying any of the more expensive ones, definitely get testers first and try them yourself in daylight or night depending on when you'd want to wear it as make up plays differently depending on the setting.

Just lastly on the brushes, these can make or break depending on how you like to apply. I'm not a big fan of the Penneys brushes where as others swear by them. Before investing in more expensive brushes there are good sets online. I have a vast range of brushes from expensive to cheap and have my own preferences for different things.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jessup-Professional-Foundation-eyelashes-Natural-Synthetic/dp/B076DSC9JS/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=jessup&qid=1594895516&sr=8-5

I find these Jessup brushes on Amazon brilliant starting point, you can get every brush you need to start for the price of 1 of the more expensive brands

Airyfairy12

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

I was under the impression (knowing little to basically squat about foundation) that one selected one to match their complexion/colour;

I wasn't aware there were lighter and darker foundations but, yeah, light in my case is obviously the one to go for.

I see some dudes behind the counters and, supposedly they're the experts but I honestly don't think their makeup is discreet or quite frankly, particularly well done - simply cause it's too obvious.

The appearance where it's hardly noticeable as in, are they even wearing makeup?

But their skin looks perfect (see this on chicks in department stores etc).

I got one gal to do the primer, foundation, concealer, powder routine and, I hardly noticed it myself;

Now that was a makeup artist so probably gonna take a while for me to get that down myself.

Charlotte Tilbury Light wonder foundation,
Bourjois healthy mix serum foundation and
Mac face and body.

Duly noted.

Primers - I was recommended a translucent silicone primer, sound about right?
Is primer a big consideration or just fairly generic one size fits all?

I mean light as in light coverage rather than a medium or full coverage which would be more noticeable on the skin. Foundations come in different consistencies. You should always try and match your foundation to your skin tone, best place to match it to is your jaw/lower cheek.

Primers arent really generic, you can get primers that colour correct, add glow underneath your makeup, fill fine lines and pores to make them less noticeable, add hydration and keep your makeup lasting longer. Again it depends on what your needs are.
Id recommend Smashbox but Rimmel do some very good ones and theyre much cheaper.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I mean light as in light coverage rather than a medium or full coverage which would be more noticeable on the skin. Foundations come in different consistencies. You should always try and match your foundation to your skin tone, best place to match it to is your jaw/lower cheek.

Primers arent really generic, you can get primers that colour correct, add glow underneath your makeup, fill fine lines and pores to make them less noticeable, add hydration and keep your makeup lasting longer. Again it depends on what your needs are.
Id recommend Smashbox but Rimmel do some very good ones and theyre much cheaper.

Last two posts:
- Foundation to skin-colour match
- But also coverage match, i.e. light, medium, full coverage?
- Finish being matt or dewy (I'd be doing with matt for maximum discretion)

And then primer:
- tend to ones specific requirements also.

I gotta be honest, I look down a makeup aisle and, well, it's intimidating.

You got rows and shelves with what seems like hundreds of specific products, not to mention, let's face it - I'm a dude.

Browsing makeup whilst certainly acceptable, is less conventional for my demographic.
Maybe I'll get over that with time;

Point being, my aim here is to establish as precise idea of what I want and need, before I go in store.


So primer.

Not just generic...

Foundation I've got it - colour match, and to stay as discreet as possible, light coverage foundation, cool. I can now go foundation shopping without fear.

Primer - yeah filling in some fine lines, concealing pores, a little colour correcting maybe (little redness I'd like to iron out),

Aaaaand.....

witchgirl26

Like others have said, BB/CC creams don't necessarily take less time but rather give a different coverage and skincare benefits to foundation.

I love the IT Cosmetics Your Skin But Better CC Cream. It can be a full coverage option but you can also apply it lightly. It's what I've been wearing for the past year or so. I don't use a primer at all with it - just make sure to moisturise before it. I use a small bit of undereye concealer & powder then on my t-zone.

As for brushes - I found cheap ones not very good and also that they can make some of the foundations look cakey. I use a beauty sponge instead as I find it gives a nicer finish. The SoSu one is in chemists & only €6 so not mad expensive.

Just to note quickly that the Bourjois Healthy mix is lovely but Bourjois have exited the Irish & UK market so may be difficult to get.

Humour Me

I don’t blame you for being confused OP, if you look at the beauty reviews thread you will see posts raving about certain beauty products and then others saying the same product doesn’t work for them.

Could I suggest that you watch some “No makeup makeup” videos on YouTube? They cover how to put on make up to enhance you features without looking like you are actually wearing any. It would probably give you a good idea of the types of products and application process to achieve a very natural look.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Primer: mattify and blur pores

Bronzer, blusher, highlighter, lip liner;

Do some men actually wear all this hoopla?

Watched the no-makeup thing; highlighter and primer seems to be the go to's.


Need to know what kind of primer would suit be best.

And get a color match on foundation then determine foundation strength.

A lip liner under lanolips,

And apparently a highlighter/contouring - everything after that is still a mystery to me.

I check out a few tutorials but they make my brain hurt.

If anyone knows a good one.... I'm all eyes.

Twee.

The thing is, you don't have to wear everything, or you can do it sometimes and not others. Some days I only wear concealer and fill in my brows. You need to experiment with application. So, some men do, some men don't. It's not one size fits all.

I think lipliner could look quite feminine, if you want a more subtle look maybe try a lip balm with a light tint? (You mentioned being discreet)

I like the Flormar primer, it does the job for a cheap product. L'Oreal Paris also do decent primers.

Charlotte Tilbury has a video geared to men, for a fresh faced, "you on a great day" look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHj76DU8Ec. Fenty too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ5mSZWDQDQ

You should look after skin too, it'll help makeup sit better and look more radiant, healthy, bright. And don't forget the SPF!

bo0li5eumx12kp

I said I'd conduct further "research" on websites before an instore visit so, just to check something potentially obvious;

Foundation coverages,

- Sheers
- light
- medium
- full

If I'm going for discretion and NOT that heavy obvious make up look, glass skin, whatever you want to call it - am I correct in assuming I should steer clear of the full coverage brands?

As in, they tend to be more obvious?

And in finishes we got,

- Matt
- Natural
- Satin
- ....silk/velvet/wut?


Top brands vs brands like No 7 and Maybelline, prices difference is steep so, I'm gonna start with more wallet friendly drug store brands to get into the swing of things.


I've been using the CC/BB creams.
They're fine, but just gonna play around with the more conventional option so draw comparisons.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Primer - again, glass/perfect skin finish.

Looking to fill pores and fine lines, I have slight redness, but green color corrector is too much for it.

Keeping it under 20 - 25 euro.

L'Oreo and some other recommendations already but, in terms of finish etc of primer I'd be looking for?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Aaaand recommended contour pallet?

E.L.F. pallet was recommended on several vids but, doesn't seem available in Ireland.
Has highlighting and contour shades all in 1.

bo0li5eumx12kp

I did some looking about.

Primers seem to come in regular silicone format, then some with color corrector and something else, luminescent/gloss..... something something.

But they don't seem to be comparable to foundation in that there's no color matching, finish texture etc - not the same range to choose from.

Primarily just a silicone base so the foundation sits more smoothly on the skin.

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I gotta say, BB/CC cream has little comparison to full coverage foundation in terms of essentially enhancing skin appearance.

Airyfairy12

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

I did some looking about.

Primers seem to come in regular silicone format, then some with color corrector and something else, luminescent/gloss..... something something.

But they don't seem to be comparable to foundation in that there's no color matching, finish texture etc - not the same range to choose from.

Primarily just a silicone base so the foundation sits more smoothly on the skin.

.....

I gotta say, BB/CC cream has little comparison to full coverage foundation in terms of essentially enhancing skin appearance.

Primers arent supposed to be comparable to foundation as thats not what theyre used for, they go under your foundation providing a base to keep you foundation on longer or to enhance the appearance of your skin.
Foundation and primer are two very different products that work best when used together.

BB/CC cream arent marketed as foundations let alone full coverage, dont know why youd expect the two to be comparable?

ILoveYourVibes

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

I did some looking about.

Primers seem to come in regular silicone format, then some with color corrector and something else, luminescent/gloss..... something something.

But they don't seem to be comparable to foundation in that there's no color matching, finish texture etc - not the same range to choose from.

Primarily just a silicone base so the foundation sits more smoothly on the skin.

.....

I gotta say, BB/CC cream has little comparison to full coverage foundation in terms of essentially enhancing skin appearance.

Primers don't have any color correcting ability.

I don't use them always ..but I would never use them with a cc/bb cream.

Primers are made to do two things ....make foundation last longer ...and protect your skin.

Foundation is not good for skin. CC/BB cream is better and more moisturizing.
But if you have oily skin you might not want to use them...and if you have oily skin you will need a primer ...as its the oils that break down the foundation over the day ...and you end up with it breaking up or fading ...primer helps with this ..it provides a barrier between the oils in your skin and the foundation ..without stripping your skin of oil.

Basically as Airyfairy has said ...Primers help the foundation ON longer. Your face MOVES ..and when your face moves ....the foundation is moved. When the oil in your skin is produces through the day ..it mixes with the foundation ..BREAKING it down...you end up with patches.

If you want your make up to last from morning to evening ..like you have a long day ...primer can help...and it can help protect your skin from the foundation.

A lot of women find wearing make up everyday ...its harsh on the skin. Its why people use CC creams etc ...as they are better for the skin but with less coverage.

If you find your foundation is breaking up all the time ...and patchy after only an hr of wearing it no matter what you wear ...there are two things you can do ..you can try a shine sheet to get the oil off and see if that helps ..or try a primer.

Basically is the oils from your own skin or a moisturizer that messes up and breaks down foundation ...the primer is just there to act as a barrier without stripping your skin. It actually doesn't nothing for your skin on its own ...its got no pigment.

Another important use for primer is this. One of the most common complaints about foundation ...is that it causes breakouts. Primer can help here too.

Since a cc /bb cream HAS MOISTURIZER IN IT ...its not going to go well with a primer ..which is designed to keep oils away from the foundation.

But just because this NEW product has come out laptop ..doesn't mean you need it ..or that it will work for you.

You have to be savvy. You have to MAKE everything work for you. Nothing rolls off the shelf perfectly...its application.

Simplicity and natural is best.

Do you really need a primer?

I mean if you keep finding your make up is coming off in clumps an hr after putting it on ..and its a good product ..yeah try a primer ..its your oils mixing in ..maybe..otherwise do you need it?

bb1234567

Hi OP,

I'm a guy who wears makeup too. Nobody has ever noticed that I have worn makeup before and even some close friends were surprised when I told them as they had never noticed. It will take a LOT of expirementation and a lot of money on different products until you find the ones for you. Took me about a year of trying products until I got into a routine I was comfortable with and thought overall flattered my looks while looking completely natural.

First step I'd advise is buying a hand held mirror, whenever your try a product go outside under an overcast sky to observe your work. Unfortunately you'll be pretty horrified the first few times by how different and likely much worse the application looked than when you were in your bedroom/bathroom etc.And your first few attepmpts at conealer/BB cream/foundation matching to your skin tone will look pretty gross.

Unfortunately for us as guys I really think that foundations/ BB creams all over tge face are a no go, anything that completely changes your skin tone is just impossible to pass as completely natural. So I don't use it. And anyway, usually those products actually just zap the life out of your face unless you use other products to reintroduce colour and dimension back into your face. I have pretty good skin naturally so personally I don't feel the need anyway.

The products I use are -

A green colour corrector- it's more of a moisturiser with a suble green tint, but it's very effective at reducing redness without making me look green. I'm really impressed by it tbh. If you have no redness I don't see a point to buying this. Other correctors such as salmon for purple underyees seem like a gimmick to me, unless your dark circles are absolutely woeful a normal concealer will be effective enough.

You seem to fixate on pimers a lot , they are not all that necessary really . IN fact sometimes they are really bad products and just cause foundations to sldie around the face. Though if you have large pores it can definitely help conceal them. Just on that note you'll find as you learn more you don't need every product or step or tecnique other people use, you don't have to use them just because most other people do. It's important to learn basic from the way they do it but your routine will be totally unique by the end and you may omit or include your own steps.

Anyway other things I use ;

Concealer- Youtubers seem to use extremely light colours which on you will look very unconvincing, go for one that completely matches your skin tone. It will look a lot better. But slightly lighter than your skin tone is definitely better than too dark in this part of the face. Maybelline fit me! does the job, huge range of tones, dirt cheap, good quality high coverage liquid concealer. Buy a good few (they're only 4-5 euro) in a range of tones you think look similar to your skin and try to find your perfect match.

I use the same one on any redness, blemishes,or spots.

Cream blush - blush can look extremely realistic and give a really beautiful glow to your face. It is by far my favourite makeup product because it is so effective while looking completely natural. Powder blush can look good too but may dry you out. Glossier do a lovely one called cloudpaint.

Bronzer- I brush some around the edges of my face. I use a golden/beige as I'm quite pale, just all over the forhead cheeks and under my jaw.It doesn't contour, just adds glow to my face. I also use a very light powder bronzer over the parts of my underte I used concealer on to make them look less pale and more healthy.

Contour will absolutely look completely fake on you I don't advise trying it, at least in a setting with daylight. Maybe if you're going clubbing idk never tried but might work out fine in that scenario.

I use some nyx born to glow drops to give some subtle highlight around the face, around the lips, tiny drop on the cheek, wherever you want skin to look luminous.

I fill in brows, any brown brow pencil will do. Again, many men do have thick brows, filling them in may be completely unnecessary for you. I trace my lashline too with a liquid eyeliner very carefully and lightly , it gives a really nice effect to the eyes. If you only go over the eyelid which your eyelashes directly sit on it looks completely natural .This tecnique will take a while to perfect.

I finish with a spray of setting spray to melt it all a bit and completely blur any unblended parts and make it more seamless and just to add moisture back to my face.

Again, whether you pick matte or dewy finish depends on your skin moisture levels, and your desired look, so nobody can really advise you on these things usually, it will just take trial and error. This goes for pretty much every product and routine step.

That's it mostly. Sorry it's so long but I know how confusing this is starting off as a guy and how little resources there are to help guys.I have still not gotten over the embarassment of going to a makeup aisle or asking a shop assistant for help with tones/products, so sadly I buy it all on amazon to save preserve my dignity. I'm sure the ladies in Inglot or wherever would be perfectly cool about it but I'm quite shy and just can't face it.

Basically I had to self learn which was really hard. To top it all off , our technique has to be really good. Otherwise people will notice, and there are lot lot of people who won't mind ripping the piss out of a guy that wears makeup. So, not only is it harder for guys to learn but they've a lot to lose if they do apply it badly.
If you'd like to dicuss a bit more you can PM me as it's something I'm interested in and I completely relate to your struggles.

Btw: ELF and NYX are great brands for you to start off with, fantastic products high end in quality but at supermarket/pharmacy consmetic prices. Then eventualy splash out on some products from high ends like Bobbi Brown or Glossier who do high quality products with emphasis on natural beauty.

Elle Leary, Wayne Goss and Lisa Eldridge are great youtuber makeup artists who post extremely detailed and well explained makeup routines using a huge variety of products of different price ranges, all of them also usually focus on natural looking makeup finishes, I learned a lot from them, L.Eldridge in particular.

Airyfairy12

bb1234567 wrote: »

A green colour corrector- it's more of a moisturiser with a suble green tint, but it's very effective at reducing redness without making me look green. I'm really impressed by it tbh. If you have no redness I don't see a point to buying this. Other correctors such as salmon for purple underyees seem like a gimmick to me, unless your dark circles are absolutely woeful a normal concealer will be effective enough.

Hi, just wondering what colour corrector do you use? ive been trying to find a decent green tint corrector for years, just cant find one that works without making my skin look grey/green.
Thanks.

bb1234567

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Hi, just wondering what colour corrector do you use? ive been trying to find a decent green tint corrector for years, just cant find one that works without making my skin look grey/green.
Thanks.

Hi hopefully this one will work for you then , it's called Barry M cosmetics Flawless primer. It's my favourite one I would say.

I too have found that issue with a lot of them causing an ashy grey appearance but havnt had that problem with this one . And I personally havn't experienced any noticeable greening of my skin but I havnt really has this issue in general as I think a little goes a long way , so I don't use all that much. The hue in this is quite a nice light shade of lime, which I think looks a bit better than others I've tried so far, and the texture sinks in like a moisturiser.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/reallyree.com/barry-m-flawless-primers-review-swatches/amp/
A lady has done a swatch of it in this blog post.

It's very cheap anyway !

Airyfairy12

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hi hopefully this one will work for you then , it's called Barry M cosmetics Flawless primer. It's my favourite one I would say.

I too have found that issue with a lot of them causing an ashy grey appearance but havnt had that problem with this one . And I personally havn't experienced any noticeable greening of my skin but I havnt really has this issue in general as I think a little goes a long way , so I don't use all that much. The hue in this is quite a nice light shade of lime, which I think looks a bit better than others I've tried so far, and the texture sinks in like a moisturiser.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/reallyree.com/barry-m-flawless-primers-review-swatches/amp/
A lady has done a swatch of it in this blog post.

It's very cheap anyway !

Never even thought of Barry M, thanks.

bo0li5eumx12kp

bb1234567 wrote: »

That's it mostly. Sorry it's so long but I know how confusing this is starting off as a guy and how little resources there are to help guys.I have still not gotten over the embarassment of going to a makeup aisle or asking a shop assistant for help with tones/products, so sadly I buy it all on amazon to save preserve my dignity. I'm sure the ladies in Inglot or wherever would be perfectly cool about it but I'm quite shy and just can't face it.

Basically I had to self learn which was really hard. To top it all off , our technique has to be really good. Otherwise people will notice, and there are lot lot of people who won't mind ripping the piss out of a guy that wears makeup. So, not only is it harder for guys to learn but they've a lot to lose if they do apply it badly.
If you'd like to dicuss a bit more you can PM me as it's something I'm interested in and I completely relate to your struggles.

Cheers man, great info.

You raise one point which definitely jumps out at me, which is,

"I have still not gotten over the embarassment of going to a makeup aisle or asking a shop assistant for help with tones/products"

This wasn't so much a difficult hurdle for myself, but it seemed a slightly difficult hurdle - believe it or no - to find a MUA that I could get a sound consultation with.

No judgement but, I went in a couple places and hand to God, the gal/woman behind the counter basically said, "we don't do that here, sorry", flustered and that I should show myself out.

I get the distinct feeling it's unusual for.... I don't know "men" in general, but frankly, someone such as myself, to go looking at makeup.

....

Anyways, after wandering about a department store make up section and some too'ing and fro'ing, I got this great consultation with a MUA that according to herself, does makeup for high def television and made the appearance look super natural.

It was a very reassuring experience at the start as, she used full coverage foundation all over and basically matched the shades etc so perfectly.
But the products were ridiculously expensive so I ended up just starting with some cheaper drug store products to get a feel for things.

Again - kind of weird initially in the drug store but, gal eventually seemed to get a sense that I was genuine and we tried a bunch of shades and found one which seems to match fairly okay.


The improvement in appearance with makeup is so dramatic, in addition to learning that plenty of dudes use/wear it that, I'm prepared to invest the time to become proficient at its discreet application.

If it's okay just fire ahead with perspectives here on the open forum as perhaps there's a MUA or two that peruses this sub and can lend some insights on the tribulations of dudes buying makeup, :cool:

Airyfairy12

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Cheers man, great info.

You raise one point which definitely jumps out at me, which is,

"I have still not gotten over the embarassment of going to a makeup aisle or asking a shop assistant for help with tones/products"

This wasn't so much a difficult hurdle for myself, but it seemed a slightly difficult hurdle - believe it or no - to find a MUA that I could get a sound consultation with.

No judgement but, I went in a couple places and hand to God, the gal/woman behind the counter basically said, "we don't do that here, sorry", flustered and that I should show myself out.

I get the distinct feeling it's unusual for.... I don't know "men" in general, but frankly, someone such as myself, to go looking at makeup.

....

Anyways, after wandering about a department store make up section and some too'ing and fro'ing, I got this great consultation with a MUA that according to herself, does makeup for high def television and made the appearance look super natural.

It was a very reassuring experience at the start as, she used full coverage foundation all over and basically matched the shades etc so perfectly.
But the products were ridiculously expensive so I ended up just starting with some cheaper drug store products to get a feel for things.

Again - kind of weird initially in the drug store but, gal eventually seemed to get a sense that I was genuine and we tried a bunch of shades and found one which seems to match fairly okay.


The improvement in appearance with makeup is so dramatic, in addition to learning that plenty of dudes use/wear it that, I'm prepared to invest the time to become proficient at its discreet application.

If it's okay just fire ahead with perspectives here on the open forum as perhaps there's a MUA or two that peruses this sub and can lend some insights on the tribulations of dudes buying makeup, :cool:

Even as a woman I avoid MUA consultations, I was offered to have my makeup done for free in Brown Thomas and even turned that down. Each to their own but im not personally into the full face of full coverage makeup, the makeup trend currently is instagram/drag queen makeup which in involves 20 makeup application steps, for a natural look they switch out the bright colours for neutral ones and use Brown Eyeliner instead of black but it's clearly no were near natural looking.
Theyre trained to do makeup this way, I did a beautician/ makeup training course years ago with a very notable course provider, the more makeup we could fit onto the face, the more impressed the trainers were. I love a natural look too.
Someone mentioned earlier to watch Lisa Eldridge youtube videos, id second that as she has some really good natural looks.

ILoveYourVibes

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Even as a woman I avoid MUA consultations, I was offered to have my makeup done for free in Brown Thomas and even turned that down. Each to their own but im not personally into the full face of full coverage makeup, the makeup trend currently is instagram/drag queen makeup which in involves 20 makeup application steps, for a natural look they switch out the bright colours for neutral ones and use Brown Eyeliner instead of black but it's clearly no were near natural looking.
Theyre trained to do makeup this way, I did a beautician/ makeup training course years ago with a very notable course provider, the more makeup we could fit onto the face, the more impressed the trainers were. I love a natural look too.
Someone mentioned earlier to watch Lisa Eldridge youtube videos, id second that as she has some really good natural looks.

The girls at laura mercier in BT are really nice ...and do very natural work!

Airyfairy12

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The girls at laura mercier in BT are really nice ...and do very natural work!

The Bobby Brown counter seems to be good too although ive not tried there myself.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Even as a woman I avoid MUA consultations, I was offered to have my makeup done for free in Brown Thomas and even turned that down. Each to their own but im not personally into the full face of full coverage makeup, the makeup trend currently is instagram/drag queen makeup which in involves 20 makeup application steps, for a natural look they switch out the bright colours for neutral ones and use Brown Eyeliner instead of black but it's clearly no were near natural looking.
Theyre trained to do makeup this way, I did a beautician/ makeup training course years ago with a very notable course provider, the more makeup we could fit onto the face, the more impressed the trainers were. I love a natural look too.
Someone mentioned earlier to watch Lisa Eldridge youtube videos, id second that as she has some really good natural looks.

Sure, and I'd imagine that's coming from someone who has experience in the area.

Getting started out I was hoping for someone basically to show me a foundation from a concealer, I didn't know what beauty blender was etc.
Blank slate.
I think I just needed that outlay from someone who does it for a living, right from the start to show me where I should begin.

Where I'm at now is - I seem to have gotten an understanding of the basics;
- pore reducing primer
- correct shade/finish/coverage foundation
- under eye concealer and
- translucent setting powder.

In my case all applied minimally for discretion, but improvement is dramatic.

Also tried of course as per title, BB/CC creams but, full coverage foundation yields much better result.


Then small additions like,
- eyebrow gel
- lanolips for moisturized lips
- And trying to move on to discreet contouring/bronzing/highlighting (especially to reintroduce that "3D" appearance after the coverage of a foundation, as the dude above mentioned).
- Correctly shaded lip liner (maybe).

And that should be all the bases covered.


As you mention, there does seem to be this idea of "drag queen" etc however,

This dude has on makeup here,



Here he doesn't,



Difference is dramatic, though in picture A, I don't think anyone would call that "Drag".

i.e. focus is on appearance enhancement, more so than some kind of social trend.
Though naturally the latter has always had strong influence on choice for many I'd imagine.

Airyfairy12

Gregory Juicy Aardvark wrote: »

Sure, and I'd imagine that's coming from someone who has experience in the area.

Getting started out I was hoping for someone basically to show me a foundation from a concealer, I didn't know what beauty blender was etc.
Blank slate.
I think I just needed that outlay from someone who does it for a living, right from the start to show me where I should begin.

Where I'm at now is - I seem to have gotten an understanding of the basics;
- pore reducing primer
- correct shade/finish/coverage foundation
- under eye concealer and
- translucent setting powder.

In my case all applied minimally for discretion, but improvement is dramatic.

Also tried of course as per title, BB/CC creams but, full coverage foundation yields much better result.


Then small additions like,
- eyebrow gel
- lanolips for moisturized lips
- And trying to move on to discreet contouring/bronzing/highlighting (especially to reintroduce that "3D" appearance after the coverage of a foundation, as the dude above mentioned).
- Correctly shaded lip liner (maybe).

And that should be all the bases covered.


As you mention, there does seem to be this idea of "drag queen" etc however,

This dude has on makeup here,



Here he doesn't,



Difference is dramatic, though in picture A, I don't think anyone would call that "Drag".

i.e. focus is on appearance enhancement, more so than some kind of social trend.
Though naturally the latter has always had strong influence on choice for many I'd imagine.

You miss understood me entirely. I didnt mention drag queen makeup in the context of men, reread my post I said the current makeup trend among women is instagram/drag queen, it is literally inspired by drag queen makeup with heavy contour, heavy eye makeup and lips etc, this is how MUA's are taught to apply makeup on both men and women, which is fine but that style of makeup isnt for everyone which is also fine.

The images you showed are nothing like that, not sure how youre drawing the comparison?

As mentioned in earlier posts, if youre looking a natural look a full coverage foundation wont provide that finish no matter how lightly you apply it.
Also mentioned, you dont need a primer, its personal preference.

bb1234567

Just to add to that I personally don't think that makeup look on Elon musk is flattering at all.
He looks washed out, pallid and grey exactly like how full coverage foundation looks on any white person without bronzer or blush being used to bring back life and colour.

Targeted use of a concealer willl give a much more natural effect imo.