The National Party

Shoog · 18-08-2023 8:19am

A pattern of burning out proposed direct provision centres means it guaranteed to be right wing scumbags. If you think your been clever suggesting otherwise - your not.

nullzero · 18-08-2023 8:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993747#Comment_120993747

We have a teeny tiny miniscule far right presence in this country.

We also have a massive problem with anti social behaviour, huge numbers of violent offenders walking the streets of our country unimpeded doing whatever they want to whoever they feel like.

And we're supposed to just take your word for it that the far right ar doing everything some people feel like arbitrarily assigning to them?

We have no evidence either way as you alluded to but realistically you can't have a tiny far right and at the same time hold them responsible for anything you feel might be a result of their opinions.

Shoog · 18-08-2023 8:46am

The far right in Ireland are highly motivated and quite well organized through private forums. It's the same small band of individuals moving around the country, infiltrating local groups and staging flash protests to stir division. The morph from one front group to another - but always the same faces.

It doesn't take many to create quite a stir, but fortunately they are gaining very little traction across the population despite their heroic efforts.

They are pathetic but that doesn't make them any less dangerous to the people and property they target.

18-08-2023 8:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993851#Comment_120993851

Just to clarify, do you have an estimate of how many people in Ireland are fascist / far-right / Nazi?

A rough estimation will suffice.

Shoog · 18-08-2023 8:55am

My estimation would be somewhat less than a thousand activists.

18-08-2023 9:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993888#Comment_120993888

I would guess the number is even fewer than that.

Compare that to the sheer volume of thugs and scumbags causing destruction daily throughout people's lives, not only on the streets of Dublin, but throughout the country.

In other words, whilst the scumbags discussed on this thread are just that, they are a tiny slice of the much bigger scumbag pie that exists in this country.

I wouldn't inflate their significance in the overall scheme of things.

Shoog · 18-08-2023 9:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993907#Comment_120993907

I think they are highly insignificant. Still with stunts like the recent attacks on cork libraries they are a real threat to the people they target.

pixelburp · 18-08-2023 9:07am

Whether or not a grouping is "significant" in its numbers, domestic terrorism and racist violence should not be tolerated and stamped out with prejudice. Trying to obfuscate about whether given scumbags are acting approved National Party actions, is kinda beyond the point here. These are individuals and parties who circle each other and find kinship; the authorities should respond with the same severity either way.

Hangdogroad · 18-08-2023 9:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120938845#Comment_120938845

Saying Justin Barrett holds conservative views is an understatement akin to saying Ted Bundy was a sexist.

Esho · 18-08-2023 9:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993787#Comment_120993787

The problem arises when the tiny right wing minority show the antisocial elements that there is more money to be made from politics than crime.

nullzero · 18-08-2023 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993932#Comment_120993932

The problem is that the way violence is rationalised in this country currently is that if the victim of a crime is not Irish the motivation must be rooted in the perpetrators being associated somehow with the far right.

Why that is a problem should be self evident; a lack of observable evidence to support that idea.

On this thread the lack of any real support for what is the nations de facto largest far right organisation and their own inability to even get their own house in order undermines the notion that the are capable of organising the type of campaign of highly structured and coordinated attacks across the length and breadth of the entire country that have been attributed to them.

We can't have it both ways, the far right in Ireland can't at once be an incompetent rabble of infighting buffoons and at the same time a highly effective guerilla force wreaking havoc on the entire country.

I find it troubling that people who I otherwise find to be insightful and intelligent employing this type of dissonant logic seemingly to simply satisfy their own larger world view.

Annasopra · 18-08-2023 1:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994820#Comment_120994820

So it's all just terribly coincidental that there have been fires in Ballybrack, Sandwith Street, Sherrard Street, Moville, Kill, Rooskey, Buncrana , Ballinamore and Fire threats in Wicklow and Athy and calls for people to be burned out in Finglas. 😅

nullzero · 18-08-2023 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995165#Comment_120995165

It's interesting that you see fit to attach a laughing emoji to a post about serious crimes.

Hotblack Desiato · 18-08-2023 1:46pm

What's laughable are the pathetic attempts on this thread to excuse and normalise what the NP are doing.

pixelburp · 18-08-2023 2:14pm

"I like to do my own research"

Annasopra · 18-08-2023 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995264#Comment_120995264

I'm laughing at you and your attempts to minimise and obfuscate and pretend there is no threats from far right in this country.

nullzero · 18-08-2023 4:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120996542#Comment_120996542

By asking for evidence?

Why have you got such an aversion to factual evidence?

I don't doubt that far right idiots have committed some crimes, but to attribute such an amount of crimes to such a small poorly organised group just seems bizarre.

Shoog · 18-08-2023 6:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120996600#Comment_120996600

It is you who keep claiming they are poorly organised, I harbour no such illusions. They are highly organised.

I don't even think they are stupid.

nullzero · 18-08-2023 6:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120997190#Comment_120997190

All the evidence anyone observing them (and that's a lot of people) can see would contradict your opinion.

Can you provide any evidence that the far right are highly organised in this country?

nullzero · 18-08-2023 6:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995409#Comment_120995409

Attempt, singular.

One person has taken that position.

Like so much to do with the subject of the National Party, facts are jettisoned in favour of sensationalism at a whim.

Shoog · 18-08-2023 6:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120997214#Comment_120997214

They operate coordinated campaigns some in the open and some in secret. They actively infiltrate citizens groups to turn them into radicals.

Your feigned ignorance of this is sweet.

Annasopra · 18-08-2023 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120996600#Comment_120996600

That's just your constant shtick on this site; deflect, deny, downplay, nothing to see here, no far right worth talking about, not organised. And that's laughable as all of the incidences I mentioned above plus many others cannot be simply dismissed as coincidence with no evidence.