New Opel Mokka

This is an attactive looking car and none or you are talking about it.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/mokka-x/102968/new-2021-vauxhall-mokka-suv-arrives-radical-look

In my opinion it is the best Interior that Opel has ever done and I prefer the looks to the e2008.
I prefer the e208 to the Corsa and this to the e2008.
Maybe the Corsa might get the Visor grill soon to make it a little bit less unattractive.

650Ginge

Good looking car. Hope it looks as good in the flesh.

The problems Bjorn Nyland had with charging the e-208 did not fill me with confidence.

unkel

Looking good. A bit of welcome competition for that other small crossover, the Hyundai Kona, which is overpriced and underspecced.

Better Than Christ

I despise SUVs and crossovers in general (pointless things), but that has a very nice front end. Kind of retro, without trying too hard.

Creamy Goodness

that's one nice looking car, real pity about the badge though.


*edit* also dislike this new trend of spelling out the model name across the majority of the back end, it ain't a Porsche :pac:

Sabre Man

Finally an Opel to get exited about.

Better Than Christ

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

that's one nice looking car, real pity about the badge though.


*edit* also dislike this new trend of spelling out the model name across the majority of the back end, it ain't a Porsche :pac:

It's probably necessary because most new cars seem to have the same back end nowadays.

Hellrazer

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

that's one nice looking car, real pity about the badge though.

Sabre Man wrote: »

Finally an Opel to get exited about.

All depends on whether its using Peugeot running gear. Opels aren't as reliable as they once were and honestly Im terrified as a service manager of them going electric since they cant even get the electrics in their ICE right-imagine the whole car having Opel electrics.
Worked for Fiat for 10 years and honestly Fiats gave less problems.

slave1

I like the way the instrument cluster curves towards the driver

No bad looking except the horrible plastic all over it, reminds me of the Kona and Ioniq.

la ultima guagua

Hellrazer wrote: »

All depends on whether its using Peugeot running gear. Opels aren't as reliable as they once were and honestly Im terrified as a service manager of them going electric since they cant even get the electrics in their ICE right-imagine the whole car having Opel electrics.
Worked for Fiat for 10 years and honestly Fiats gave less problems.

Zafira proves your point.

( was the Carrrickmines fire another zaffy ? )

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1274451699927863297/photo/1

Gael23

650Ginge wrote: »

Good looking car. Hope it looks as good in the flesh.

The problems Bjorn Nyland had with charging the e-208 did not fill me with confidence.

What happened?

colm_mcm

la ultima guagua wrote: »

Zafira proves your point.

( was the Carrrickmines fire another zaffy ? )

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1274451699927863297/photo/1

No.

ofcork

Spelling out the name on the back is to do with the chinese market i believe,skoda and ford doing it.

colm_mcm

This is Autoexpress, which probably means it’s a rendering they took from a forum.

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

This is Autoexpress, which probably means it’s a rendering they took from a forum.

No, they were probably even lazier than that and took it from the media section of the official websites.
https://www.opel.ie/
It is a real car and looks like that.

colm_mcm

Deleted User wrote: »

No, they were probably even lazier than that and took it from the media section of the official websites.
https://www.opel.ie/
It is a real car and looks like that.

Maybe they Vauxhallized it for their uk readers, but the Autoexpress pic doesn’t look as real as the one on the Opel site.

Squeaksoutloud

Anyone think the dashboard remind you of an old Ascona or Record dash!

coolbeans

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is an attactive looking car and none or you are talking about it.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/mokka-x/102968/new-2021-vauxhall-mokka-suv-arrives-radical-look

In my opinion it is the best Interior that Opel has ever done and I prefer the looks to the e2008.
I prefer the e208 to the Corsa and this to the e2008.
Maybe the Corsa might get the Visor grill soon to make it a little bit less unattractive.

Looks great, shame about that rotten Vauxhall badge. Nobody gives a toss about Vauxhall, they should just kill it off.

colm_mcm

The uk do, and a lot still think of it as a British badge, they still sell respectable numbers as a result. Changing it to a ‘German’ badge wouldn’t do it any favours.

RobAMerc

I have never liked Opel really, or any GM badge as they have generally always been style over substance and rarely as good as their ford counterparts - However, I really hope the new owners can do something to resolver this. I would hate to see them go the same way as many other European brand names

coolbeans

colm_mcm wrote: »

The uk do, and a lot still think of it as a British badge, they still sell respectable numbers as a result. Changing it to a ‘German’ badge wouldn’t do it any favours.

As a brand its got no cachet whatsoever, none. Nobody aspires to own a Vauxhall. They do however aspire to practically all the other German brands so a change to Opel may just surprise you.

colm_mcm

coolbeans wrote: »

As a brand its got no cachet whatsoever, none. Nobody aspires to own a Vauxhall. They do however aspire to practically all the other German brands so a change to Opel may just surprise you.

Opel as a brand is as desirable as dog****.
The ‘It’s a German’ shtick is pathetic. They started building cars in the late 1800s, and by the end of the 1920s they were a part of GM.

smellyoldboot

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is an attactive looking car and none or you are talking about it.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/mokka-x/102968/new-2021-vauxhall-mokka-suv-arrives-radical-look

In my opinion it is the best Interior that Opel has ever done and I prefer the looks to the e2008.
I prefer the e208 to the Corsa and this to the e2008.
Maybe the Corsa might get the Visor grill soon to make it a little bit less unattractive.

Wow that's a serious upgrade. The current models are as ugly as it gets. That's a big turnaround.

coolbeans

colm_mcm wrote: »

Opel as a brand is as desirable as dog****.
The ‘It’s a German’ shtick is pathetic. They started building cars in the late 1800s, and by the end of the 1920s they were a part of GM.

Still prefer to drive an Opel then a Vauxhall. Even the badge looks better.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Opel as a brand is as desirable as dog****.
The ‘It’s a German’ shtick is pathetic. They started building cars in the late 1800s, and by the end of the 1920s they were a part of GM.

Id nearly suggested that in the UK Opel is posh. It used be used on high end Poxhauls.

Mind you, Poxhaul and Opel are now both dirt brands. PSA seem to have improved quality but the image is poor.

Hurrache

coolbeans wrote: »

Still prefer to drive an Opel then a Vauxhall. Even the badge looks better.

Makes no sense whatsoever when they're the same car, or even when the Vauxhall comes better spec'd.

Mad_maxx

RobAMerc wrote: »

I have never liked Opel really, or any GM badge as they have generally always been style over substance and rarely as good as their ford counterparts - However, I really hope the new owners can do something to resolver this. I would hate to see them go the same way as many other European brand names

When did Opel ever have anything approaching style?

Mad_maxx

colm_mcm wrote: »

Opel as a brand is as desirable as dog****.
The ‘It’s a German’ shtick is pathetic. They started building cars in the late 1800s, and by the end of the 1920s they were a part of GM.

I never thought of them as German

colm_mcm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I never thought of them as German

Their marketing team have been pushing the German thing for a good few years.

Technically of course it is/was a German company.

Mad_maxx

colm_mcm wrote: »

Their marketing team have been pushing the German thing for a good few years.

Technically of course it is/was a German company.

I'd have thought it was American?

Built in Germany and in the case of vauxhall, the UK

peasant

Mad_maxx wrote: »

When did Opel ever have anything approaching style?

It's a long time ago, but in the 50's and 60's Opel was quite an aspirational brand...like Audi is today. Not quite a Mercedes, but definitely not bread & butter either.

As for style ...

Hellrazer

coolbeans wrote: »

Still prefer to drive an Opel then a Vauxhall. Even the badge looks better.

They're still **** heaps. Badge has no bearing on it!!!

road_high

I think the Insignia is made in Germany. Everything else in Poland, England, or Spain mainly.

Strumms

Ok it was back in 1992 but I remember the Corsa my Dad had and it was enough to put me off Opel for life. The most uncomfortable motor vehicle I’ve had the misfortune to sit into... dreadful car.

This car, nice aesthetically from the outside, I really like the curved / angled dash with the nice touchscreen/display/satnav.. but even in the press/sales photos there is a look of plasticy cheapness regarding the overall inside trim and rest of dash...hmmm.

road_high

That model Corsa dated from 1982 so was very dated by then and about to be replaced.

ShadowHearth

I will decide on my opinion about looks when I see the actual car on Donedeal.

I though new octavia looked really good until I sow actual Octavias in Irish dealerships. It does not look that nice in real life lightning.

road_high

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I will decide on my opinion about looks when I see the actual car on Donedeal.

I though new octavia looked really good until I sow actual Octavias in Irish dealerships. It does not look that nice in real life lightning.

The ones you see in the promo stuff are always top spec, metallic paint jobs.
Look very different on arrival in boggo Irish spec

extra-ordinary_

coolbeans wrote: »

As a brand its got no cachet whatsoever, none. Nobody aspires to own a Vauxhall. They do however aspire to practically all the other German brands so a change to Opel may just surprise you.

I think the sentiment to buy British in this instance is the exact same sentiment to not buy foreign, and especially German! :pac:

I can see PSA pushing the brand up market now that it isn't under the neglectful eye of GM.

AMKC

Opel have one of the best looking most modern looking cars in the C segment you know the one with the Focus , Golf, etc. The Astra makes even the latest Golf look ancient.
I have always thought the Mokka was a good looking classy car and even the quality of the materials used in the dash is like something from a car 3 classes higher. The new looks great too both inside and out. I hope it is a big success for them.

road_high

I had a couple of Insignias. Both SRIs, the latest for 6 months last year as a temp car. Really liked both, extremely impressed with the new model Insignia. Would definitely be on my shortlist if I was buying a mainstream upper size car.
If I’m honest the infotainment system is better than the new model 3 Series I have

colm_mcm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can see PSA pushing the brand up market now that it isn't under the neglectful eye of GM.

Very hard to do that when so many of their sales are made through fleet and rental.

That said Renault achieved the same with Nissan by being ahead of the crossover trend with the Qashqai. Opel are late to that party but maybe they can hit the EV market or something.

road_high

colm_mcm wrote: »

Very hard to do that when so many of their sales are made through fleet and rental.
.

Peugeot says they wanted to move Opel away from cheap fleet sales- still basically any 2020 Insignia I see has a Leaseplan sticker on the window and number plate!
Nothing wrong with them (a very competent car) but private buyers wouldn’t spend their own cash on one to any great extent due to the massive depreciation

DaveyDave

AMKC wrote: »

Opel have one of the best looking most modern looking cars in the C segment you know the one with the Focus , Golf, etc. The Astra makes even the latest Golf look ancient.
I have always thought the Mokka was a good looking classy car and even the quality of the materials used in the dash is like something from a car 3 classes higher. The new looks great too both inside and out. I hope it is a big success for them.

If you think the Mokka is a classy car with quality materials above its segment then you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

Have you actually driven one? The build quality and finish on them is awful and they aren't priced like Hyundai/Kia so there's no excuses. Everything is implemented poorly. What's the point of having an 8" screen like a Golf if there's no anti glare coating on it and it's tilted upwards so you can't see it in the sun? The seats are cheap cloth and are very hard. Don't get me started on the literal arm rest on the side of driver seat that can't be adjusted. A manual handbrake in the era of electronic ones? Come on.

The door panels move out when the windows go down, the ride quality is extremely harsh despite big tyres and raised suspension and the steering wheel moves if you hit a bad pothole.

It's also very impractical. No headroom or legroom whatsoever in the back for anyone over 5ft, a tiny boot and atrocious visibility in the rear.

The only good thing about the Mokka is now PSA are looking after it there's a chance it will be a half decent car like a Peugeot and General Motors can stop trying to polish a turd.

Hellrazer

road_high wrote: »

Peugeot says they wanted to move Opel away from cheap fleet sales- still basically any 2020 Insignia I see has a Leaseplan sticker on the window and number plate!

True- I cant remember the last Insignia that was sold privately. Lease companies get huge discounts on them.

Nothing wrong with them (a very competent car) but private buyers wouldn’t spend their own cash on one to any great extent due to the massive depreciation

I would definitely not use the word competent. The Insignia (like most of the Opel range) are falling apart.
For example - insignia - clutch and hydraulic problems.Silly electrical issues that Fiats had years ago. Fuel pipe inspections. Accelerator pedals failing on them while people are driving.

The only Opel that's worth buying from a purely reliability point is the Astra 1.6 diesel.
Fairly bulletproof.

The 1.4 petrol astras engines are falling out of them. Vivaros use more oil than diesel.
The list goes on and on and on.

road_high

Aware of the issues with insignias but i had two (one for nearly 4 years and no issues) and they were excellent- I can only give my own experiences.
Genuinely impressed with the latest Insignia, it is a good car and stands comparison with anything else out there for the money. I’ve had Mazda 6, Passats, Volvos and a 3 Series
Would have one any day over a Kia or Hyundai or the Suv crossover things they’re all buying.

AMKC

DaveyDave wrote: »

If you think the Mokka is a classy car with quality materials above its segment then you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

Have you actually driven one? The build quality and finish on them is awful and they aren't priced like Hyundai/Kia so there's no excuses. Everything is implemented poorly. What's the point of having an 8" screen like a Golf if there's no anti glare coating on it and it's tilted upwards so you can't see it in the sun? The seats are cheap cloth and are very hard. Don't get me started on the literal arm rest on the side of driver seat that can't be adjusted. A manual handbrake in the era of electronic ones? Come on.

The door panels move out when the windows go down, the ride quality is extremely harsh despite big tyres and raised suspension and the steering wheel moves if you hit a bad pothole.

It's also very impractical. No headroom or legroom whatsoever in the back for anyone over 5ft, a tiny boot and atrocious visibility in the rear.

The only good thing about the Mokka is now PSA are looking after it there's a chance it will be a half decent car like a Peugeot and General Motors can stop trying to polish a turd.

No I have not driven one but I have been in one yes. My brother in law has one. It's the first model and seems happy with it. I thought the dash very classy for its sector. Lots of real chrome in ot unlike the fake chrome you see in some cars (Kia I am looking at you) which is horrible.

road_high

AMKC wrote: »

No I have not driven one but I have been in one yes. My brother in law has one. It's the first model and seems happy with it. I thought the dash very classy for its sector. Lots of real chrome in ot unlike the fake chrome you see in some cars (Kia I am looking at you) which is horrible.

Spec makes a huge difference to an Opel. The S and SC models are generally miserably trimmed but the SRI and Elite are pretty nice places to be

RobAMerc

Mad_maxx wrote: »

When did Opel ever have anything approaching style?

Ah, some of the Astras and Insignias weren't bad looking cars, or the Adam looks good for what it is - but I was mostly talking about US brands - Pontiac, Chevrolet etc. Always low tech stuff with a smart look

AMKC

Mad_maxx wrote: »

When did Opel ever have anything approaching style?

When did VW ever have anything spoeouching style?

Opel have had the Insignia and Astra,s.