“Senior politician, household name” sexually assaults girl [** NO NAMES **]

coinop

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

jam_mac_jam

Proof of what? It's a tweet where she didn't name anyone not a court case.

Tommybojangles

In before someone tries to find a way to blame Leo

Rodney Bathgate

Misleading thread title, girl implies teenager or child. The tweet clearly says early 20’s.

Wibbs

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

I don't believe anyone without proof and a tweet doesn't cut it. That's why we invented laws and courts of law. Anything else is mob rule.

Still waters

I don't believe her and a don't not believe her

coinop

Tommybojangles wrote: »

In before someone tries to find a way to blame Leo

I have news for you about Leo...

Still waters

Did she do anything at the time to prevent him molesting others in the future

Timberrrrrrrr

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

If I set up a twitter account tomorrow and blamed you of the same behaviour how would you want people to react?

jam_mac_jam

I don't think these things should be handled via twitter. It reminds me of a witch hunt. However she didn't name him so that's fair enough. No proof required.

I don't automatically believe women, I don't automatically believe men. Depends on the situation. Which in this case we know nothing about.

ChikiChiki

She should go to the Guards and make a statement otherwise speaking out on twitter is a fruitless exercise.

It leaves a seed of doubt over some of the prominent high profile male TDs now which is quite unfair.

coinop

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If I set up a twitter account tomorrow and blamed you of the same behaviour how would you want people to react?

I would demand proof of such a despicable act. But you’d be a brave man to ask the accuser and her disciples for proof. MeToo movement is Iike a cult. You need to accept their word as gospel and that’s that.

Truthvader

FFS another feeble effort to get attention. Sounds like someone made a fairly primitive attempt at a "pass" about 40 years ago. Girl did the same thing to me around the same time. Still remember the thrill. Glad I dont have to negotiate all the metoowokeploiticalcorrectnees web of protocol gping now.

Blondini

That oul Mary Harney was a divil with a drink or two in him, so he was.

Odhinn

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

Nobody named, so no need for "proof" or indeed any discussion at all.

Timberrrrrrrr

coinop wrote: »

I would demand proof of such a despicable act. But you’d be a brave man to ask the accuser and her disciples for proof. MeToo movement is Iike a cult. You need to accept their word as gospel and that’s that.

Nah thats not how I do things, until the guards are involved or arrests are made then its just a made up story.

JPCN1

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

I guess they all believed Sil Fox's accuser too. Whoever she was.

coinop

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nah thats not how I do things, until the guards are involved or arrests are made then its just a made up story.

Tell the girl that and be prepared to get called every name under the sun. Possibly they will contact your employer in an attempt to get you fired, drag your name in the mud. The only acceptable response to the cult is “I believe you” complete with heart emoji.

JohnnyFlash

Trial by social media is a shocking thing to witness.

Dyr

If a crime is committed you report it to the Gardaí, not Twitter.

El_Duderino 09

Id need evidence. Same as anything else, a claim isn't enough to believe anything. It's not evidence, it a claim.

Does anyone believe a claim like that without evidence?

Bobblehats

Itty bitty twitty bird

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If I set up a twitter account tomorrow and blamed you of the same behaviour how would you want people to react?

I think the op is in agreement with you and not the people immediately shouting "guilty"

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't believe anyone without proof and a tweet doesn't cut it. That's why we invented laws and courts of law. Anything else is mob rule.

She hasn’t named anybody. “Household name” is a wide net.

Seems she’s just relating something that happened to her. I was sexually assaulted at 19. I’ve told a few people. I have no intention of ever taking legal action because it would be futile and, being honest, it didn’t really affect my life. But I’ve said it to a few people. Never named the guy. Just wanted to tell my story.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Id need evidence. Same as anything else, a claim isn't enough to believe anything. It's not evidence, it a claim.

Does anyone believe a claim like that without evidence?

Millions

El_Duderino 09

Bambi wrote: »

If a crime is committed you report it to the Gardaí, not Twitter.

Yeah but, she can "report" it anywhere she likes. She'd only report it to the Gardaí if she wants it investigated and if she wants to go down the legal route.

I can't see how there could be anything to investigate if there are no witnesses to an incident claimed to have happened years ago.

El_Duderino 09

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Millions

Well, I'm not amongst them.

KiKi III

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nah thats not how I do things, until the guards are involved or arrests are made then its just a made up story.

That’s so f**ked up.

If you said, until the guards are involved I would reserve my opinion, that would be fair.

Assuming anyone who hasn’t gone to the guards is a liar is horrendous.

tipptom

Its the other attention seekers jumping in as quick as they can that makes me laugh.
They have not a clue who this person is or what sort of a looper it could be but just have to jump on the bandwagon with #ibelieveyou.

Silentcorner

It's time to make a false accusation of rape/sexual assault a crime...

This will never end as long as twitter allows baseless claims on it's platform.

I've no doubt there are women out there who have been sexually assaulted, I've no doubt there are women out there capable of making it up.

We've already seen one Senior Minister accused publically of a sexual crime (Pat Carey)...how many more be subjected to the same.

We have just seen Syl Fox being forced to get a court to throw out a blatant false accusation against him.

KiKi III

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

She hasn’t named anybody. “Household name” is a wide net.

Seems she’s just relating something that happened to her. I was sexually assaulted at 19. I’ve told a few people. I have no intention of ever taking legal action because it would be futile and, being honest, it didn’t really affect my life. But I’ve said it to a few people. Never named the guy. Just wanted to tell my story.

Same. I see absolutely no point in reporting the times I’ve been assaulted to the Gardaí. That does not mean they didn’t happen.

And I’m grateful that the few friends and boyfriends I’ve told have believed me, because why would I make it up?

mr_fegelien

Not to go off topic but does anyone know why you seldom hear of women as the perpetrators "MeToo" movement. I remember Asia Argento but that's it, seems way way more common to have men assaulting women than the other way around.

Is it cultural or biological?

coinop

KiKi III wrote: »

And I’m grateful that the few friends and boyfriends I’ve told have believed me, because why would I make it up?

I’m in no way claiming you made up your assaults but I think it’s quite obvious why some women would do so: they want attention. Social media has a strange hold on people, particularly young women. A recent study stated Irish women are the most depressed in Europe. They feel worthless without the constant stream of internet likes and validation pouring in.

KiKi III

What if there is no proof?

Hypothetical: Let’s say I was raped a year ago and only able to come forward now due to the trauma.

There is no physical evidence now. No proof, as such.

But in this hypothetical scenario the rape absolutely definitely happened. You want proof but there isn’t any. It’s my word against his.

Should I be allowed to speak out? Name my rapist to the Gardaí? To my own friends?

Or do I have to put up and shut up forever because I didn’t have the strength to report there and then?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KiKi III wrote: »

Same. I see absolutely no point in reporting the times I’ve been assaulted to the Gardaí. That does not mean they didn’t happen.

And I’m grateful that the few friends and boyfriends I’ve told have believed me, because why would I make it up?

Well, exactly. Relating events like that are at best really embarrassing and at worst traumatic. Not exactly something you’d say for the craic. The first person I told was my husband, 16 years after the event took place. Like I said, I really was okay after the assault because it was non-violent (but still unambiguously sexual assault. Fingers were inserted) but it just kinda came up one night. Sometimes there will be a catalyst to relating an event in your life and that can be many years later.

KiKi III

coinop wrote: »

I’m in no way claiming you made up your assaults but I think it’s quite obvious why some women would do so: they want attention. Social media has a strange hold on people, particularly young women. A recent study stated Irish women are the most depressed in Europe. They feel worthless without the constant stream of internet likes and validation pouring in.

If she was attention seeking she’d make up a better story than an unnamed politician ran his hand up my leg years ago.

You seem to think very little of young women based on the post above.

tipptom

KiKi III wrote: »

Same. I see absolutely no point in reporting the times I’ve been assaulted to the Gardaí. That does not mean they didn’t happen.

And I’m grateful that the few friends and boyfriends I’ve told have believed me, because why would I make it up?

There could be any amount of reasons why people make up accusations like this.

Could be attention seeking,could be the first subtle hint at the politician that if money isnt handed over there will be more revealing publicity,could be blackmail for access to power or favours,could be just for followers.

KiKi III

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, exactly. Relating events like that are at best really embarrassing and at worst traumatic. Not exactly something you’d say for the craic. The first person I told was my husband, 16 years after the event took place. Like I said, I really was okay after the assault because it was non-violent (but still unambiguously sexual assault. Fingers were inserted) but it just kinda came up one night. Sometimes there will be a catalyst to relating an event in your life and that can be many years later.

I was assaulted a number of times by different men between the ages of 13 and 22.

I’m 32 now and pushed it all down and forgot about it for years. But the last few years have really brought it all back. Between the Belfast rape trial and the Repeal campaign people were talking about rape non-stop for six months in 2018. Reading some of the online commentary really brought it back up.

The Brett Kavanaugh confirmation showed me that even though I remember the assaults vividly, the fact that I can’t remember what the weather was like that day or exactly how many drinks I had at a party half a lifetime ago meant I would be ripped apart.

As #SpeakingOut started trending again over the weekend and I read other women’s stories I started feeling really depressed again, I called the DRCC even though it felt a little dramatic to do that 10 years later and I’m going to go there for some counselling.

My inclination is to believe women, because I know the stats for false rape allegations are incredibly low (look up the studies done by the FBI and LAPD) and because they tally with my own life experiences.

oyvey

KiKi III wrote: »

What if there is no proof?

Hypothetical: Let’s say I was raped a year ago and only able to come forward now due to the trauma.

There is no physical evidence now. No proof, as such.

But in this hypothetical scenario the rape absolutely definitely happened. You want proof but there isn’t any. It’s my word against his.

Should I be allowed to speak out? Name my rapist to the Gardaí? To my own friends?

Or do I have to put up and shut up forever because I didn’t have the strength to report there and then?

Not 'put up and shut'. You'd be entitled to wait as long as you'd want/need to, but surely you can understand that the longer you wait the harder it gets to prove these things.

KiKi III

tipptom wrote: »

There could be any amount of reasons why people make up accusations like this.

Could be attention seeking,could be the first subtle hint at the politician that if money isnt handed over there will be more revealing publicity,could be blackmail for access to power or favours,could be just for followers.

I urge you to read the SAVI report before you make any further comment on this stuff.

Silentcorner

KiKi III wrote: »

If she was attention seeking she’d make up a better story than an unnamed politician ran his hand up my leg years ago.

You seem to think very little of young women based on the post above.

Well funny you should mention that...it is exactly what Sil Fox, an 87 year old man was recently accused of, the DPP sent the case to court despite the existence of CCTV footage exonerating him, subjecting the elderly man to an horrific ordeal, his name was all over the media her's wasn't.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sil-fox-sexual-assault-cleared-courts-5109092-May2020/

Headbangers be headbangers!!! And they are everywhere.

KiKi III

oyvey wrote: »

Not 'put up and shut'. You'd be entitled to wait as long as you'd want/need to, but surely you can understand that the longer you wait the harder it gets to prove these things.

I do understand that. But even for women who come forward immediately, justice is rarely served.

mikemac2

My drink was spiked = I drugged myself with excessive amounts of alcohol

The HSE website states

Some small case studies have suggested that, of all the people who report to accident and emergency (A&E) departments with claims that their drink has been spiked, very few test positive for an unknown substance.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/d/date-rape-drugs/incidence-of-drink-spiking.html

You made a bad decision, hey take a cop out and say your drink was spiked. Lads who do something stupid like maybe vandalise cars or set off fire extinguishers in hotels do the drink spiking excuse also

jrosen

Accusations played out on social media I take with a pinch of salt.

Generally though I tend not to believe anything without proof.

KiKi III

jrosen wrote: »

Accusations played out on social media I take with a pinch of salt.

Generally though I tend not to believe anything without proof.

How do you prove it though?

If one party says it was consensual and the other says it wasn’t. Even when there’s evidence of violence the guy says “yeah, we had rough sex, she wanted it.”

Short of CCTV, what evidence would satisfy you beyond a reasonable doubt?

whisky_galore

Mr Sheen and Mr Muscle must be quaking in their boots now.

Go to the guards and gtfo Twitter, if this is even real.

Timberrrrrrrr

coinop wrote: »

Tell the girl that and be prepared to get called every name under the sun. Possibly they will contact your employer in an attempt to get you fired, drag your name in the mud. The only acceptable response to the cult is “I believe you” complete with heart emoji.

Meh

Timberrrrrrrr

KiKi III wrote: »

That’s so f**ked up.

If you said, until the guards are involved I would reserve my opinion, that would be fair.

Assuming anyone who hasn’t gone to the guards is a liar is horrendous.

I'm not calling her a liar, I'm just not jumping on the old accusations = guilty bandwagon

jimwallace197

KiKi III wrote: »

What if there is no proof?

Hypothetical: Let’s say I was raped a year ago and only able to come forward now due to the trauma.

There is no physical evidence now. No proof, as such.

But in this hypothetical scenario the rape absolutely definitely happened. You want proof but there isn’t any. It’s my word against his.

Should I be allowed to speak out? Name my rapist to the Gardaí? To my own friends?

Or do I have to put up and shut up forever because I didn’t have the strength to report there and then?

Get up the yard with your nonsense, so traumatized that you couldn't report it for a year. And you are an adult female in these metoo times.

The problem with that way of thinking is that it opens up the floodgates for any scorned ex girlfriend/lover of a male to come forward and attempt to destroy a mans life if she is bitter about him moving on, happy with someone else. And yes, this does happen.

Far too common nowadays. Giving any sex the freedom to make allegations against the other without proper proof and proper procedure whilst destroying the other persons life is a dangerous precedent to set.

KiKi III

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Get up the yard with your nonsense, so traumatized that you couldn't report it for a year. And you are an adult female in these metoo times.

The problem with that way of thinking is that it opens up the floodgates for any scorned ex girlfriend/lover of a male to come forward and attempt to destroy a mans life if she is bitter about him moving on, happy with someone else. And yes, this does happen.

Far too common nowadays. Giving any sex the freedom to make allegations against the other without proper proof and proper procedure whilst destroying the other persons life is a dangerous precedent to set.

Please, please go and read the FBI and LAPD studies on false rape allegations which show it is extremely rare. Your opinion on this is not based on fact.

Please also read the SAVI Report.

And as I mentioned on the last page, the first time I was assaulted I was 13 and MeToo had not happened.

jrosen

KiKi III wrote: »

How do you prove it though?

If one party says it was consensual and the other says it wasn’t. Even when there’s evidence of violence the guy says “yeah, we had rough sex, she wanted it.”

Short of CCTV, what evidence would satisfy you beyond a reasonable doubt?

Not really a question that can be answered hypothetically