Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Danno

So this was an unvaccinated passenger coming into Belgium from Egypt.

Why are unvaccinated allowed fly into Europe - are we again seeing one set of rules for locals and another for the high flyers?

Wolf359f

There's the breakdown and it's the latest report, so no reporting lag as such. Just hate people quoting figures without the data behind it.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228350#Comment_118228350

Each EU country can decide to go that way or not, it's really nothing to do with the EU. It was something introduced to get a common standard/system in place to help with travel within the bloc

Atlantic Dawn

ET500 787 Dreamliner from Addis Ababa just landed in Dublin right now, incoming Omicron, government asleep on the wheel, thick as planks. No direct flights here from the countries banned but this would be the country you would fly in to from the banned countries to make it to Ireland #EconomyClosedByChristmas.

NSAman

If this stops me coming home for the first time in two years I am gonna cry!

keep the bloody South Africans out! Shoot on sight if need be (joking)

jaydoxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230759#Comment_118230759

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230627#Comment_118230627

Quite likely a negative PCR/antigen test was acceptable.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230615#Comment_118230615

We should do what we can no sense in importing more. Presumablu NI will do what they can too.

faceman

Dont forget sports fan, travel bans will only delay the spread of the new variant by 3-5 weeks. It is inevitably going to become the dominant strain but....

...the research on the new strain is going to take weeks. Prudence is necessary, but the media are turning in to a circus over the whole thing further straining the already over burdened mental health of the nation.

In all likelihood, the new strain will be more transmissible but less lethal than Delta. The same way Delta was less lethal than alpha and beta.

Great to see saabsaab is back with a horn for all this though, at least we have the OG crew to debate with! 😂

a_squirrelman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231040#Comment_118231040

No, you always sidestep this. The border is open with NI, where anyone from the UK can hop over and travel south. Stand by your stance of locking down entry points. You are always happy to blame the airports and ignore the border.

completedit

The thread title is like a real life message board Karen meme. I can see the OP behind the curtain vigorously twitching the curtains watching planes flying in overhead.

hynesie08

I'd love to know who's going to staff these facilities. Lot of the security staff went back to their real jobs when the world opened up, and it was thin pickings before then.

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231417#Comment_118231417

Lol 🤣 I've always been amused by the hysteria of this thread title, has to be the most OTT of all the very many Covid threads. And the fans of it don't disappoint in fueling it either. Been quiet here now for some time, but expect another big take off, pardon the pun 😁

Omicron has been confirmed as being in the UK and so am sure is in Ireland by now anyway

BruteStock

Lol@ thinking we need to be protected from Africa. Its they need to be protected from us

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230759#Comment_118230759

That's a fuel stop, no passengers get on or off. It's the same with all Ethopian flights that stopover here.

3d4life

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230759#Comment_118230759

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/irish-citizens-urged-to-leave-ethiopia-immediately-as-crisis-in-country-deepens-1.4737462

AD, get a grip

ProfessorPlum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230759#Comment_118230759

Very difficult to 'make it' to Ireland off this flight. As had been pointed out, it's a fuelling stop. It parks on a remote ramp, passengers don't leave the plane, it fuels up, and then goes on it's way. Don't panic!!

Likely that Omicron is here already anyway, because, you know, we're a connected economy, and we can't cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Still. Don't panic!!

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232603#Comment_118232603

I've seen Ethiopian Airlines flight crews at a Dublin Airport hotel (the trolly dollies were particularly attractive, but that's beside the point). I think Dublin is used as a crew switchover point no?

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232463#Comment_118232463

You may well be right but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to slow its progress here. As for the border, same argument we must do what we can do.

Hopefully Omicron turns out to be less lethal and vaccine evading than expected. It appears that it will spread easier.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232706#Comment_118232706

Well that’s where we disagree. I don’t believe we should

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232645#Comment_118232645

Correct. Safety regulations mandate crew hours and rest periods.

Are we vilifying people who travel Ethopian Airlines now? People need to calm the fook down. Initial reports from SA are saying that, as I speculated already, the new variant is only causing mild symptoms in vaccinated people.

(my last comment is not directed at Yurt!)

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232706#Comment_118232706

Let's see what the public health consultants say about travel restrictions over the new variant...

https://twitter.com/NICU_doc_salone/status/1464209351405563907?s=20

Oh

Danno

First case of Omicron variant thanks to travel from southern Africa. Why are passengers from outside the EU allowed in without testing pre-flight?

Is it really that much easier to impose restrictions on businesses and people living here than stopping this?

We're really a nation of bedwetters for allowing the authorities to oversee this incompetence.

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254240#Comment_118254240

What difference does it make if they are coming from outside the EU?

tobefrank321

I see the WHO are still peddling their garbage about opposing travel bans. They also opposed travel bans from Wuhan and China 2 years ago.

Of course you can't stop covid and new variants like Omicron spreading. It will spread eventually.

The purporse of travel bans is to give you time to prepare for it and delay it as long as possible until enough people are vaccinated, or you understand it better. And also to reduce the impact of a huge and sudden surge on your healthcare system.

Its almost like the WHO want Covid to spread quickly.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257405#Comment_118257405

If China got control of this at the beginning and didn't lie about human to human transmission, and closed airports. Would things ever have gotten so bad? Could they have just contained it to China?

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257673#Comment_118257673

Being a ruthless dictatorship, they are about the only country that can contain it. I had a look at worldometer last night. China's deaths per million, if you can believe the figures, are something like 208th in the world. Very ironic that they started this but came out one of the least worst from it. When they concentrated on it, they contained it fairly quickly. But that was after delaying and denying long enough for it to spread worldwide and lobbying WHO not to call for travel restrictions.

You're probably never going to totally irradicate something like covid. All you can do is slow it down and spread out the load on the health service while at the same time avoiding the need for strict lockdowns that are economically damaging.

Which is what this thread is about - controlling the arrival of covid from hotspots which eventually cause us to go into hard lockdowns.

I'm hopeful Omicron is milder than previous variants but its right to restrict travel from hotspots until we are certain.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257405#Comment_118257405

Some of the travel restrictions (even when falling short of bans) are a bit pointless. For example Ireland and Portugal both have similar and very high vaccination rates, and both have a few Omicron cases. Both have somewhat similar entry restrictions involving PCR and antigen tests. So Portugal wants to stop someone bringing Omicron in from Ireland and Ireland wants to stop someone bringing Omicron in from Portugal.

Then these dangerous individuals will probably stay in their own country and spread the disease internally. If they had travelled there would be little difference.

Its not the travelling which is the problem as much as what you do when you get to your destination. The urge to ban foreigners is primitive and solves nothing ultimately.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118258239#Comment_118258239

If they travel to another country then they spread it to another population entirely!