BMW 330e 2020

celtic_oz

what would the VRT and NOX on this be : https://www.cargiant.co.uk/car/bmw/330e/PF66HRD

thanks

crystalbrite

Just test drove a 2016 BMW 330e and 2018 Merc 350e this morning.

The BMW felt more fun to drive. More responsive. Interior is a bit outdated. Old style handbrake too. I would love the new 2020 version but I can't justify spending that much personally.

The Merc definitely has a more premium feel on the inside. The driving didn't really wow me as much. My view could be a bit tainted by the salesman too. He seemed to lose interested in me when I mentioned I was interested in a 2nd hand 2016 (They only had 2018+ in stock). He also only bought me around the estate rather than out onto open road so didn't get as good a drive of it compared to the BMW. Also he seemed a bit clueless on the actual car. I asked him several questions I knew the answer to and he either gave me the wrong answer or didn't know.

I started two weeks ago looking at Audi A4 TFSIs but I think I'm quickly jumping on this hybrid bandwagon. The electric suits my mon-fri driving perfectly too. Charger at work.
The VRT is a massive incentive too. ~€4000 VRT for A4 sline vs ~€700-900 VRT for the 330e or 350e. Big saving in money to be had.
Also these cars have a lot more power.
Just need to make a decision on the 330e vs 350e.
I think I'm currently leaning towards the 330e after today's test drive.

crystalbrite

celtic_oz wrote: »

what would the VRT and NOX on this be : https://www.cargiant.co.uk/car/bmw/330e/PF66HRD

thanks

VRT ~900e
Nox ~30e

Idbatterim

The BMW felt more fun to drive. More responsive. Interior is a bit outdated. Old style handbrake too. I would love the new 2020 version but I can't justify spending that much personally.

this is always the way though, the bm are a "better drive" many chose merc for the "more comfortable" drive...

Idbatterim

will it be possible in future to replace the battery in the 330e, 530e etc with a larger kw one?

BuzzFish

Hi folks, decided to sell my 330e as going to go full EV. Been an immense car to own. UK import with full BMW service.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330e-sport-f30-facelift-phev/24096732

KCross

Idbatterim wrote: »

will it be possible in future to replace the battery in the 330e, 530e etc with a larger kw one?

anythings possible but unlikely i'd say.

The Satanist

Any sign of the 330e Touring ever happening? Supposed to be coming in the summer.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

crystalbrite wrote: »

Is the car insurance just based on the 2L petrol engine or do they take into account the battery boosts the BHP up to 250?

My insurance went down 10% when moving from a 1.5 110bhp diesel to a 2.0 290bhp petrol car. Engine size and power isn't as relevent as you think.

Casati

crystalbrite wrote: »

Just test drove a 2016 BMW 330e and 2018 Merc 350e this morning.

The BMW felt more fun to drive. More responsive. Interior is a bit outdated. Old style handbrake too. I would love the new 2020 version but I can't justify spending that much personally.

The Merc definitely has a more premium feel on the inside. The driving didn't really wow me as much. My view could be a bit tainted by the salesman too. He seemed to lose interested in me when I mentioned I was interested in a 2nd hand 2016 (They only had 2018+ in stock). He also only bought me around the estate rather than out onto open road so didn't get as good a drive of it compared to the BMW. Also he seemed a bit clueless on the actual car. I asked him several questions I knew the answer to and he either gave me the wrong answer or didn't know.

I started two weeks ago looking at Audi A4 TFSIs but I think I'm quickly jumping on this hybrid bandwagon. The electric suits my mon-fri driving perfectly too. Charger at work.
The VRT is a massive incentive too. ~€4000 VRT for A4 sline vs ~€700-900 VRT for the 330e or 350e. Big saving in money to be had.
Also these cars have a lot more power.
Just need to make a decision on the 330e vs 350e.
I think I'm currently leaning towards the 330e after today's test drive.

I’d go with the Merc - if you put it into Sport mode it’s a lovely drive but the cabin and general styling is much more modern. You also have the option of estate with the Merc is the small saloon boot size is a concern

crystalbrite

Casati wrote: »

I’d go with the Merc - if you put it into Sport mode it’s a lovely drive but the cabin and general styling is much more modern. You also have the option of estate with the Merc is the small saloon boot size is a concern

Ya I'm still humming and hawing. I feel like I might be getting more with the Merc (higher spec car, better finish, looks more expensive) but the BMW really grabbed me with the driving experience. I was excited driving it.

With the Merc 350e I can go base spec too and you're already getting a nice car. The BMW 330e I'd need to spec up to luxury or M-sport.

I think I'll need another test drive of the two cars.

King_Joffery

I'm in the market for a car upgrade! Seriously considering a 330e such a beautiful car. My only concern would be the battery replacement cost if all went wrong.Would any body have a figure for a 2016 m sport with 60k miles on the clock? Are the cars out long enough to get a true understanding of the battery performance? How is the health check preformed by the main dealer for battery capacity can this be done by the owner? ASAIK on the leaf you could use and app connected to the OBD which would give you an indication of each battery cell if the battery was reaching the 70% capacity limit?

whippet

BMW offer a 6year 100,000km warranty on the battery - they will replace if it goes below 70%.

With regards to insurance .. the quote I've gotten on the 330e MSport Plus is about 10% cheaper than I paid on the 150PS 2L Kodiaq TDI last year (two drivers in their 40s with no penalty points / claims, secured driveway)

crystalbrite

whippet wrote: »

BMW offer a 6year 100,000km warranty on the battery - they will replace if it goes below 70%.

With regards to insurance .. the quote I've gotten on the 330e MSport Plus is about 10% cheaper than I paid on the 150PS 2L Kodiaq TDI last year (two drivers in their 40s with no penalty points / claims, secured driveway)

Can you check yourself if the battery is below 70% or do you need some special equipment?

Would an RAC check catch this or are they not up to date on the testing of electrics?

galaxy12

Would a warranty for a 2016 330e bought in UK be valid here assuming a low mileage of 40k miles currently ?

TomOnBoard

galaxy12 wrote: »

Would a warranty for a 2016 330e bought in UK be valid here assuming a low mileage of 40k miles currently ?

Look at the Ts &Cs attached to the warranty.

Unless provided directly by BMW, many of these so- called "warranties" are really only limited cost-refunding insurance policies that have many exclusions and get-out clauses, particularly where the subject vehicle incurs a charge against the 'warranty' in another country.

I've been burnt on one of these in the past...:eek::eek::eek:

un5byh7sqpd2x0

galaxy12 wrote: »

Would a warranty for a 2016 330e bought in UK be valid here assuming a low mileage of 40k miles currently ?

If it’s a BMW AUC warranty, then yes as it’s a BMW Europe warranty

galaxy12

Have been looking for a 2017 330e and it seems there isn't one yet there yet around 20 k .The prices up north seem to be quite similar to those here .
I see some used 330e's advertised here with "prices quotes inclusive of any applicable VRT". I presume these are UK cars which would have been cheaper and stocked . Would a cartell check then pick up history of these cars ?

crystalbrite

I'm looking at 2016s 330e in the UK. I'm seeing
~£13k for basic spec
15.5k-16k for decent spec
17k-17.5k for very nice spec

galaxy12

crystalbrite wrote: »

I'm looking at 2016s 330e in the UK. I'm seeing
~£13k for basic spec
15.5k-16k for decent spec
17k-17.5k for very nice spec

Great ! Could you share the website please .
I checked usedcarsni.com

Heres Johnny

crystalbrite wrote: »

I'm looking at 2016s 330e in the UK. I'm seeing
~£13k for basic spec
15.5k-16k for decent spec
17k-17.5k for very nice spec

Unfortunately STG is a bit stronger than it was but a 17k car should still come under 20k euro. And they're still dropping remember, more and more 17s 18s and even 19s will be coming on market forcing downward pressure on price of 16s

BuzzFish

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Unfortunately STG is a bit stronger than it was but a 17k car should still come under 20k euro. And they're still dropping remember, more and more 17s 18s and even 19s will be coming on market forcing downward pressure on price of 16s

I've my 2016 up for 19k on done deal. Want to get rid as need to change. Open to sensible offer. Link below. Full BMW service history and has had full service €700 in past 6 months.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330e-sport-f30-facelift-phev/24096732

crystalbrite

BuzzFish wrote: »

I've my 2016 up for 19k on done deal. Want to get rid as need to change. Open to sensible offer. Link below. Full BMW service history and has had full service €700 in past 6 months.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330e-sport-f30-facelift-phev/24096732

Nice paint and alloys but I'm looking for leather seats and maybe some other extras like pro nav.

Wailin

BuzzFish wrote: »

I've my 2016 up for 19k on done deal. Want to get rid as need to change. Open to sensible offer. Link below. Full BMW service history and has had full service €700 in past 6 months.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330e-sport-f30-facelift-phev/24096732

You could do well with taking better photos to be honest.

GustavoFring

BuzzFish wrote: »

I've my 2016 up for 19k on done deal. Want to get rid as need to change. Open to sensible offer. Link below. Full BMW service history and has had full service €700 in past 6 months.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330e-sport-f30-facelift-phev/24096732

If you still have the original wheels I'd put them back on. Those reps really take from the car. A lot of people would dismiss it as a result.

q85dw7osi4lebg

crystalbrite wrote: »

Nice paint and alloys but I'm looking for leather seats and maybe some other extras like pro nav.

Don't knock the cloth sports seats until you've tried them.

I've leather buckets in one car and I prefer the cloth in the daily F30.

crystalbrite

GustavoFring wrote: »

If you still have the original wheels I'd put them back on. Those reps really take from the car. A lot of people would dismiss it as a result.

Yes I actually agree. While they can look nice I'm always wary when I see non-standard wheels on a car. It makes me wonder what other DIY modifications the person has made to the car.

BuzzFish

Good feedback, thanks.

I'll take better pics later. Don't have original wheels (should have kept them!) But looking in adverts they can be had for €200-300 if the aftermarkets are really a big deal. Only other mod was the black grill, which seems very common in other f30s.

Appreciate the feedback though. Good look with finding your next car.

q85dw7osi4lebg

I like the wheels, but some tyre polish would go a long way in some new photos I reckon.

Ludikrus

Can anyone tell me how much it will cost (roughly) to charge the 330e battery from 0% (or 5%) to 100% on a home EV charger? Obviously it depends on electricity tariffs. I don't have a night saver meter or anything, just a standard rate in or around 18 cents per unit kWh.

Thanks

Batfink69

Ludikrus wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how much it will cost (roughly) to charge the 330e battery from 0% (or 5%) to 100% on a home EV charger? Obviously it depends on electricity tariffs. I don't have a night saver meter or anything, just a standard rate in or around 18 cents per unit kWh.

Thanks

I always work from needing 7kwhr, so 7 *0.18 = €1.26

Night rate is half that.

KCross

Ludikrus wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how much it will cost (roughly) to charge the 330e battery from 0% (or 5%) to 100% on a home EV charger?

What year is the car?... the battery capacity has changed since it was first released.... are you buying a new one?

I think around 2018/2019 the battery capacity increased from 7.6kWh(6kWh usable) to about 12kWh(~10.5kWh usable)
So, allowing for charging losses they would cost €1.19 and €2.08 respectively for a full charge at 18c day rate. Half that for night rate.

Ludikrus

Thanks for the replies. I bought a 171 330e M-Sport so it's the older battery. I've just had a Zappi home charger installed and I had intended getting a night meter put in for the cheaper night tariffs but the electrician doing the install for me put me off it. He just said be careful with it because you have to be very diligent with your day time usage to see the savings with a night meter. I have two very young kids so washing machine, dryer, etc, are going all day long! He didn't think the benefits of charging my car at night (with a night meter) would outweigh the higher day time tariffs.

KCross

Ludikrus wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I bought a 171 330e M-Sport so it's the older battery. I've just had a Zappi home charger installed and I had intended getting a night meter put in for the cheaper night tariffs but the electrician doing the install for me put me off it. He just said be careful with it because you have to be very diligent with your day time usage to see the savings with a night meter. I have two very young kids so washing machine, dryer, etc, are going all day long! He didn't think the benefits of charging my car at night (with a night meter) would outweigh the higher day time tariffs.

Assuming you are charging that car to full everyday, he is wrong.

The day rate will go up by 1c/kWh. The night rate goes down by about 8c/kWh. The standing charge goes up by about €45/yr.

A good yardstick is that if you use 3kWh or more by night it will pay for itself.... your car is going to be using more than twice that on its own so it will pay you to move to night rate and you can also shift some appliances to run at 11pm to give further savings plus the house will be consuming some electricity at night also.

Switch to night rate, dont mind the electrician!

User1998

See the thing with PHEV’s is that sometimes you can’t really afford to wait until the middle of the night until you charge because of the tiny range.

A lot of the time I’l come home from work with a good bit of range left, charge the car back to full, go out later in the evening and then come home and charge it to full again. Almost none of my charging happens during night rate hours. If I didn’t charge it after work and scheduled it to only charge at night I’d end up running out of battery on my second run in the evening and would have to use the petrol engine.

In my particular car and charger I can’t schedule the charging to happen at night if I also want to charge it during the day so night rate doesn’t really work for me. Maybe if I switched to night rate and changed a few habits with the dish washer etc I may break even?

KCross

User1998 wrote: »

See the thing with PHEV’s is that sometimes you can’t really afford to wait until the middle of the night until you charge because of the tiny range.

A lot of the time I’l come home from work with a good bit of range left, charge the car back to full, go out later in the evening and then come home and charge it to full again.

Nothing wrong with charging it up on day rate if you know you need the car again later that day but surely once you come home for the last time you would just plug it in and let it charge overnight for the following morning and avail of the half price electricity for that next charge session?

I'm not really understanding why you cant ever charge it at night?

User1998 wrote: »

In my particular car and charger I can’t schedule the charging to happen at night...

What have you got again. Is it the Golf GTE?
Are you sure it doesnt have any timers? I'd be very surprised if it didnt. Every EV i've heard of has timer capability and the Golf EV does so I'm amazed if the GTE doesnt?

User1998 wrote: »

Maybe if I switched to night rate and changed a few habits with the dish washer etc I may break even?

Break even is roughly 3 units used during the night rate hours. Monitor your night time usage as is and that will tell you if it is worth it or not.

User1998

Yeah, it does have timers. But lets say I come home at 2pm and need to charge immediately because I know I’l need the car later in the day, if I have a timer set for say 10pm, the car won’t charge when I plug it in at 2pm, it will wait until 10pm, which means I will run out of battery when I use the car for the second time during the day because it didn’t charge. If that makes sense?

When I plug it in for the second time it won’t necessarily be at like 8/9 pm, it might still be during day rate hours like 7pm or so, and it would probably be charged within the hour or so because the battery won’t be empty.

If the second time I plug in was always during night rate hours it would make sense to switch, it would also make sense if the cars range was enough that I didn’t have to charge during the day.

KCross

User1998 wrote: »

Yeah, it does have timers. But lets say I come home at 2pm and need to charge immediately because I know I’l need the car later in the day, if I have a timer set for say 10pm, the car won’t charge when I plug it in at 2pm, it will wait until 10pm, which means I will run out of battery when I use the car for the second time during the day because it didn’t charge. If that makes sense?

When I plug it in for the second time it won’t necessarily be at like 8/9 pm, it might still be during day rate hours like 7pm or so, and it would probably be charged within the hour or so because the battery won’t be empty.

If the second time I plug in was always during night rate hours it would make sense to switch, it would also make sense if the cars range was enough that I didn’t have to charge during the day.

Again, every EV I've seen has a timer override button.
You set the timer for night rate hours. You get home but know you want to charge immediately to go out again that day so you press the override button and it starts charging immediately. When you get home for the last time of the day you just plug it in and press nothing... it will sit patiently and start the charge as per the set timers.

Have you checked if the GTE has a timer override button? I think it might be inside the charge port of the GTE?

User1998

KCross wrote: »

Have you checked if the GTE has a timer override button?

... Maybe I need to do more research, I shall check

KCross

User1998 wrote: »

... Maybe I need to do more research, I shall check

Check for a button inside the charge port flap.... i think thats where it is in the Golf GTE

MaceFace

Honestly, with a small battery like in the 330e, it just isn't worth the hassle to worry about charging during the day or at night.

Like has been said, you come home and 5 thinking you are in for the night but then change your mind and you have no battery.
Just plug it in and don't worry about needing to over ride or forgetting to change it.

KCross

MaceFace wrote: »

Honestly, with a small battery like in the 330e, it just isn't worth the hassle to worry about charging during the day or at night.

Its worth about €350 a year if you are charging it everyday. Its not big money but I'd rather it be in my pocket than ESB's.

Setting up the timers are a one time thing so not a hassle. If you do forget once in a while to charge it and have to run it on petrol its not that big a deal, thats the whole point/beauty of a PHEV! Each to their own.

MaceFace

KCross wrote: »

Its worth about €350 a year if you are charging it everyday. Its not big money but I'd rather it be in my pocket than ESB's.

Setting up the timers are a one time thing so not a hassle. If you do forget once in a while to charge it and have to run it on petrol its not that big a deal, thats the whole point/beauty of a PHEV! Each to their own.

I can’t see those savings.

Save 7c per kWh so on a 7kw battery that a 50c a day saving or €180 per year but then you need to pay an addition €48 on your standing charge and an extra 1.5c per KWh on your daytime use.

Am I missing something?

maddness

BuzzFish wrote: »

Good feedback, thanks.

I'll take better pics later. Don't have original wheels (should have kept them!) But looking in adverts they can be had for €200-300 if the aftermarkets are really a big deal. Only other mod was the black grill, which seems very common in other f30s.

Appreciate the feedback though. Good look with finding your next car.

Give it a wash before you take pictures too, dirty car says all the wrong things when your trying to sell it.

Ludikrus

Has anyone else ever seen this error? Now and again my charging is failing for some reason. Everything is fine when I connect to my EV charger and the charging starts. When I get the error I disconnect it, then plug it in again and it charges up fine. But I've come out a couple of mornings now to a failed charged.

Batfink69

Sorry, not had that one. Only time mine failed was when it couldn't measure the voltage and had to go back to BMW for a new card.

flanzer

Sorry not had that one either

KCross

Ludikrus wrote: »

Has anyone else ever seen this error? Now and again my charging is failing for some reason. Everything is fine when I connect to my EV charger and the charging starts. When I get the error I disconnect it, then plug it in again and it charges up fine. But I've come out a couple of mornings now to a failed charged.

Since others havent seen it I'd try to rule out your cable first. Could be a bad connection or frayed cable.

Is it a tethered or untethered charge point? If its untethered could you try another cable on it?

You could also plug it in, start a charge session and then just wriggle each part of the connector and cable itself to see if it drops the charge session.

Its worth trying those simple things first before you head to a dealer.

Ludikrus

KCross wrote: »

Since others havent seen it I'd try to rule out your cable first. Could be a bad connection or frayed cable.

Is it a tethered or untethered charge point? If its untethered could you try another cable on it?

You could also plug it in, start a charge session and then just wriggle each part of the connector and cable itself to see if it drops the charge session.

Its worth trying those simple things first before you head to a dealer.

Thanks. The cable is new (tethered) Zappi so no issues with it. Just to try something tonight I changed the charging rate in the car to the middle setting (‘reduced’ I think). Sure enough fully charged no problems! Didn’t seem to take any longer than the high setting either.

I’m on the west coast and the last two nights when the problems occurred have been absolutely filthy out with high winds. Maybe something got dislodged. Unlikely but not beyond the bounds of possibility.

vintagevrs

Lots of disruption to the ESB network over the last few days. Maybe the car did that when it detected issues with the supply? Our lights were flickering a lot with lightening nearby on Monday night.

MF290

Looking at the autotrader.co.uk a 2018 older style 330e can be got for 20k whereas the cheapest 2019 new style is 36k. Fair price difference. Is the older style good value or are there reliability issues?