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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)
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Why, everytime there's a positive story trying to promote cycling infrastructure (which would open up cycling for everyone), the comments fill up with the same tiredold comments about breaking red lights, riding 5 abreast, lycra, tour-de-france wannabes, tights, helmet, hi-viz etc etc etc etc.
I think because people experience this a lot, it's irritating being stuck behind a cyclist(s) without anywhere safe to overtake.
If it only happened once or twice a month it wouldn't be an issue, no one would talk about it ever. But it happens motorists regularly, and then they get the rage, and hence they complain about it.
What's worse is 20 cars queued up trying to get past on a country road, they could be waiting 5/10 mins to get past.
The cyclist can't keep stopping every time a car comes up behind them, they'd never get where they want to go.
Cyclist break red lights often cause it's a pain in the hole to go from a stop to moving at optimal speed again.
If it's super safe to do so I've not issue with them doing it. If anything goes wrong, it's they that's going under the wheels. They are responsible for their own safety in such scenariosAnd lets not forget a healthy splodge of how "cyclists" need to start paying road tax before they get "given" anything.
I don't think they should pay tax, but rules of the road/licence wouldn't go a miss.
Also I think all bikes should have a VIN and visible registration plate.None of those things have anything to do with the topic of opening up cycling for everybody.
It's been proved in other countries that cycle infrastructure, done properly, benefits everybody, including drivers. However, there's a certain mindset here that prevents certain people from seeing that bigger picture.
Maybe...
Irish people have a very different mindset than our EU neighbors.
Case in question:
€2,500,00 spent on an off road cycle way between Baldoyle and Portmarnock, and there are still cyclists using the Road because There are to many people on the cycle lane and the lads that are out for 60k cycle complain that they're being held up... Ironic
I do absolutely think that there should be more cycle lanes such as the one between Baldoyle and Portmarnock and the one on the Coast road up to Fairview. There are a few little design mistakes on both cycle lanes but mostly it's grand.
However in such a circumstance, where cycle lane like this exists, the cyclist should be obligated to use it and stay off Road.
Will it ever happen though..... Eh No!
The Infra in our cities is in need to desperate upgrades having being neglected for years.
Electricity
Water
Roads
Comms
etc
It's all creaking....0 -
Beta Ray Bill wrote: »I think because people experience this a lot, it's irritating being stuck behind a cyclist(s) without anywhere safe to overtake.
If it only happened once or twice a month it wouldn't be an issue, no one would talk about it ever. But it happens motorists regularly, and then they get the rage, and hence they complain about it.
What's worse is 20 cars queued up trying to get past on a country road, they could be waiting 5/10 mins to get past.
The cyclist can't keep stopping every time a car comes up behind them, they'd never get where they want to go.
Cyclist break red lights often cause ......
but rules of the road/licence wouldn't go a miss.
Also I think all bikes should have a VIN and visible registration plate.
Maybe...
Irish people have a very different mindset than our EU neighbors.
Case in question:
€2,500,00 spent on an off road cycle way between Baldoyle and Portmarnock, and there are still cyclists using the Road because There are to many people on the cycle lane and the lads that are out for 60k cycle complain that they're being held up... Ironic
I do absolutely think that there should be more cycle lanes such as the one between Baldoyle and Portmarnock and the one on the Coast road up to Fairview. There are a few little design mistakes on both cycle lanes but mostly it's grand.
However in such a circumstance, where cycle lane like this exists, the cyclist should be obligated to use it and stay off Road.
Will it ever happen though..... Eh No!
The Infra in our cities is in need to desperate upgrades having being neglected for years.
Electricity
Water
Roads
Comms
etc
It's all creaking....
In you come barging with a huge brush hitting everywhere in hope you get some coverage.
Everything you said has been said, and easily discredited, repeatedly.0 -
Beta Ray Bill wrote: »Case in question:
€2,500,00 spent on an off road cycle way between Baldoyle and Portmarnock, and there are still cyclists using the Road because There are to many people on the cycle lane and the lads that are out for 60k cycle complain that they're being held up... Ironic
Billions spent on motorways across the state, and there are still motorists using the back roads because there are too many people on the motorway and the lads that are out for 60k drive complain that they're being held up... Ironic 0 -
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Billions spent on motorways across the state, and there are still motorists using the back roads because there are too many people on the motorway and the lads that are out for 60k drive complain that they're being held up... Ironic
I know at least one country with better cycling infrastructure where you would be fined for not using cycling lane where it is provided. Or for walking or cycling through the red light.
A lot of people here compare the infrastructure to other countries, none compare law enforcement and laws in those countries with superior infrastructure. I saw someone stated a thread the other day if it's ok to cycle drunk. I didn't check the thread so I don't know what the answer was but it's bad enough they needed to ask.0 -
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DISCLAIMER: I'm a motorcyclist and I WFH so none of the above or below applies to me. Cyclists don't hold me up
And they can have the city centre if they want it, I've no need to go there ever again!Billions spent on motorways across the state, and there are still motorists using the back roads because there are too many people on the motorway and the lads that are out for 60k drive complain that they're being held up... Ironic
I think it's more they don't want to pay the toll more so than anything else.
I'll always use the motorway if I need to get somewhere fast.AndrewJRenko wrote: »Why specifically is it frustrating to be stuck behind a cyclist that you will almost certainly eventually get to overtake, but not frustrating to spend hours stuck in traffic jams, doing average speeds less than the average cyclist?
Have you worked out yet that the more people cycle, the less people that are in the line of cars in front of you?
That would involved the average motorist having to look at themselves in the mirror... and that's not going to happen.
I will say though that when I do use the car it's only to collect my kid as he lives 30k round trip away.
Apart from that my car sits in the driveway Monday to FridayAndrewJRenko wrote: »They already have Rules of the Road and VINs.
What value do you think that licence will have, in the context of the 2 or 3 people killed by motorists each week?
I don't know where you're getting the 2 or 3 a week being killed
I had google there and it says 83 cyclists were killed between 2010 and 2018 that works out at 0.2 a week.
In any case, even if they thought the use of a lifesaver, large amounts of cyclists do not do this. I notice because I'm on a motorcycle.AndrewJRenko wrote: »What value do you think that visible registration plates will have in the context of the 98% of drivers breaking urban speed limits, all with visible registration plates?
Theft, there's heaps of bikes nicked in Dublin every year.
Also, Regulation is a good thing.
I've a helmet cam and record everything, I report dopes driving cars like dopes all the time.0 -
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Correct. In 2018 Ireland suffered 149 road fatalities. That was among the lowest in the world by every relative measure. If you are in Ireland, you have an approximately 99.99625% of surviving us motorists every year.07Lapierre wrote: »Hes referring to the total number of road deaths per year, not just cyclists.
148 deaths in 2019.
https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Fatal%20Collision%20Stats/Provisional_Reviews_of_Fatal_Collisions/RRD_Res_20191231_RSAProvisionalReviewFatalities31December2019_03Jan2020.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
It's also near the lowest in Irish history, figures in the 100-200 range have not been seen since the 1940s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_traffic_accidents_deaths_in_Republic_of_Ireland_by_year
Irish drivers are not terrible. That's an indisputable fact. That doesn't stop sanctimonious two-wheeled hypocrites from hijacking every discussion with: bUt mOtOrIsTs aRe kIlLiNg eVeRyBoDy
Firstly, there have been at least half a dozen routine pedestrians in this thread who can attest to the fact that Irish cyclists DO cause problems. And yet this entire thread has been a circle jerk of Andy and his fellow two-wheeled hypocrites crapping all over motorists ...Thelonious Monk wrote: »After decades of commuting by bike and causing no problems whatsoever for anyone, I'm just sick to teeth of every discussion on cycling in all media becomes a tirade against people just trying to get around. It's ridiculous.
It really shouldn't be difficult to figure out why everyone hates you.
Well, you and your friends certainly are. Yet the data does not back it up.So you'd be in favour of increased regulation of motorists and motorcyclists to address the worrying death toll on the roads, presumably?
Mandatory tachographs for all, mandatory annual training, mandatory retesting every 3-5 years?
In the United States, where drivers are subject to a once-in-a-lifetime road test, they lose over 39,000 people every year. That's much worse by every relative measure than Ireland, but pales in comparison to medical error, which is the third leading cause of death in the US, despite the fact that it's a lot harder to become (and to maintain status as) a doctor than a driver.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_error
In spite of all that extra regulation and testing, 250,000 people die of medial error in the US, which puts that cause in the Top 3 of causes of death in the US.
All of this of course in addition to evidence of countries with much more stringent driver licensing laws like Canada also suffering more fatalities on their roads than Ireland.
So much for all that extra testing and regulation. :rolleyes:https://u24.gov.ua/
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