Nasty Journalists.

Sam Quentin

The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

Rodney Bathgate

Not to mention the head of the private nursing homes association or whatever it is called doing her best to pass the buck.

Rodney Bathgate

Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.

Eggs For Dinner

Do you not think that people in power and positions of authority need to be questioned vigorously? Irish citizens have suffered badly in the past because people were afraid to challenge such things

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.

Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

No idea why you are quoting my post.

For the record:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sinn-fein-td-apologises-after-falsely-claiming-17-people-died-in-one-nursing-home-39149665.html

“Sinn Féin TD Dessie Ellis has been forced to apologise after incorrectly claiming 17 people died in one nursing home.”

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

A bit of context to this ‘claim’ (?) might help.

Fann Linn

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Didn’t some SF TD have to apologise for spreading “fake news” by massively exaggerating the death toll in one home.

Didn't Simon say there were 18 other Covid viruses with vaccines.

Rodney Bathgate

Fann Linn wrote: »

Didn't Simon say there were 18 other Covid viruses with vaccines.

Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

SEPT 23 1989

As bad as today's breed of journalists are they should be allowed ask questions

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

No idea why you are quoting my post.

For the record:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sinn-fein-td-apologises-after-falsely-claiming-17-people-died-in-one-nursing-home-39149665.html

“Sinn Féin TD Dessie Ellis has been forced to apologise after incorrectly claiming 17 people died in one nursing home.”

Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

AllForIt

Unfortunately the ****ty journalism that goes on in the UK is seeping over here. The last 4 days in the UK has been an all time low for their journalism with the exaggerations, lies and downright nastyness. Mind you, they've always been like that in my memory. They're one of the worse in the world for it, invented it even.

CollyFlower

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478?mode=amp

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp

Fann Linn

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Stick up a link there, would love to read that, thanks.

I have already posted a link to the apology from Dessie Ellis for disseminating fake news.

I'll stick one up later, just sipping a g&t here in the garden at the moment, but if ye cannot wait just google, 'Simon Harris 18...' and google predicts brings you to his other few viruses.

Wanderer2010

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

Two ways of looking at it.

1. The snowflake way, where you are offended and outraged at a highly paid and powerful elected person being held to account for the failures and the shortcomings of the crisis on his or her watch by a journalist just doing their job, and feeling an outpouring of sympathy for the poor person/manager/politician in question.

2. Feeling a sense of pride that there are still some journalists who have an actual pair of balls and will ask the hard questions that need to be asked- why wasn't more done to protect nursing homes, who is responsible for the many deaths in nursing homes etc and not to let some extremely well paid authority figure wiggle off the hook by reaming off a few statistics and a vague promise to "do better" in the future.

Personally im for number 2, especially when you have ministers who break the very rules they came up with whilst hundreds and thousands of people stuck faithfully to the rules, despite massive hardship and sacrifice.

Sadly this generation are so fragile, that when we see a politician being called to task, they immediately cry bullying and point the finger at the journalist, instead of squarely back at the person who needs to answer some very tough questions and not to just pass the buck like a coward.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

What exactly is your claim? Did it not come to fruition?

eldamo

debok wrote: »

Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

What about.....

Rodney Bathgate

Fann Linn wrote: »

I'll stick one up later, just sipping a g&t here in the garden at the moment, but if ye cannot wait just google, 'Simon Harris 18...' and google predicts brings you to his other few viruses.

Or I can wait for you to post a link to back it up. Cheers.

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

What exactly is your claim? Did it not come to fruition?

No

Fann Linn

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Or I can wait for you to post a link to back it up. Cheers.

Do you really need it spelt out to you? You bypassed two other links to ask me to post one?

GY_1980

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

We live in a free country. We need an antagonistic media to question those who hold power.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

Quoting you because the thread was about journalists tough questioning but you straightaway brought sinn Fein into it.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1124042/

I brought an SF TD into it (not SF as a whole as you incorrectly claim) as an example of a politician rightly being called to task by the media for spreading fake news.

Rodney Bathgate

Fann Linn wrote: »

Do you really need it spelt out to you? You bypassed two other links to ask me to post one?

Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.

The links are all above.

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I brought an SF TD into it (not SF as a whole as you incorrectly claim) as an example of a politician rightly being called to task by the media for spreading fake news.

Sorry I was reading the "random things you would like to ban thread " and in that you said you'd ban sinn Fein. Then I read this thread and your only example of a politician be called up on bull**** was a sinn Fein TD. Surely Harris being called out on claiming there was 18 other viruses can also be used as an example.

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Can you not just post it instead of playing games? I have no idea which links or posts you mean. You made a claim, you back it up. FFS.

How can you claim not to see the links
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp

CrankyHaus

Media held off during the crisis period, so they have to make up for it now that we're going back to business as usual.

The media in general have a poor understanding of health issues and most of the health sector/professions have less developed PR than other interests that might be their adversaries in certain disputes. Doctors tend to have a quaint, or honourable depending on your point of view, idea that doing their job well is more important than spin.

As a result health issues are badly misrepresented within the Media. The cervical check scandal being a case in point. With the exception of Susan Mitchell at the Business Post it was wilfully misreported in a way that misled the vast majority of the public.

Amirani

debok wrote: »

Didnt Simon Harris say there be 15000 tests a day back in march. That's why they need to be questioned.

We've had 15000 capacity for a good while now.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

How can you claim not to see the links
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478%3fmode=amp

I asked the poster who made the claim to provide a link. I don’t understand what his / her problem is.

RobertKK

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

We had old people being sent from hospitals into nursing homes untested, and this contributed to the death toll.
But is your argument that politicians responsible for health policy should not be questioned?

buried

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The line of questioning towards experts, politicians etc in relation to nursing homes is very frustrating and annoying...what bloody answer are they trying to drag out of these guys,. World wide pandemic the likes that the majority of humans never experienced, it hit us like a wave with a ferocity that has shocked and scared the World.. vulnerable people were hit hardest,. Is it not obvious that unfortunately the elderly would suffer the most(so sad but fact). The same has happened in every country of the World with very very few exceptions.
Sorry but what answer are these journalists and some political representatives looking for. Is there a blame game going on,it seems so insensitive to me.

Dont worry bout it man, them politicians and experts are getting well paid enough not to worry too much about their senses anyways

EmmetSpiceland

High time this one was “wrapped up” and shipped over to the “Current Affairs” forum.

Real danger of “malingering” loonies infecting this place. We really don’t need these “types” negatively affecting the integrity of AH.

Would be great to have a “Move to CA” button, would really help in getting these threads shifted before the “rot” sets in.

Sam Quentin

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Do you not think that people in power and positions of authority need to be questioned vigorously? Irish citizens have suffered badly in the past because people were afraid to challenge such things

Ahhhh c'mon there's only so many times you can look for the answer you're 'hoping' to get.. the nasty nasty people are trying to get one of those poor recipients of their questioning to put Elderly and COVID-19 in the same sentence.... They think they can say what they want ask whatever comes into their 'journalistic' brains and somebody will eventually bite.... Fb generation shíte morphed into real life..

Sam Quentin

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

High time this one was “wrapped up” and shipped over to the “Current Affairs” forum.

Real danger of “malingering” loonies infecting this place. We really don’t need these “types” negatively affecting the integrity of AH.

Would be great to have a “Move to CA” button, would really help in getting these threads shifted before the “rot” sets in.

The reason I put this thread in ah is that us everyday folk can start acting like journalists and post whatever shíte we like.

Sam Quentin

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Two ways of looking at it.

1. The snowflake way, where you are offended and outraged at a highly paid and powerful elected person being held to account for the failures and the shortcomings of the crisis on his or her watch by a journalist just doing their job, and feeling an outpouring of sympathy for the poor person/manager/politician in question.

2. Feeling a sense of pride that there are still some journalists who have an actual pair of balls and will ask the hard questions that need to be asked- why wasn't more done to protect nursing homes, who is responsible for the many deaths in nursing homes etc and not to let some extremely well paid authority figure wiggle off the hook by reaming off a few statistics and a vague promise to "do better" in the future.

Personally im for number 2, especially when you have ministers who break the very rules they came up with whilst hundreds and thousands of people stuck faithfully to the rules, despite massive hardship and sacrifice.

Sadly this generation are so fragile, that when we see a politician being called to task, they immediately cry bullying and point the finger at the journalist, instead of squarely back at the person who needs to answer some very tough questions and not to just pass the buck like a coward.

The WHO have no real answers in relation to COVID-19.. so what answers do you expect from political reps, nursing home managers/owners, HSE etc etc.
And as for UK and this MP even if he did make a mistake an error of judgement, Why should he resign!? Him resigning won't make COVID-19 miraculously vanish..
That is the end goal RIGHT?

Rodney Bathgate

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

High time this one was “wrapped up” and shipped over to the “Current Affairs” forum.

Real danger of “malingering” loonies infecting this place. We really don’t need these “types” negatively affecting the integrity of AH.

Would be great to have a “Move to CA” button, would really help in getting these threads shifted before the “rot” sets in.

Good points well made, E.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

Surely Harris being called out on claiming there was 18 other viruses can also be used as an example.

Of course it can, as long as the person provides a link for those of us who never heard about it.

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Of course it can, as long as the person provides a link for those of us who never heard about it.

You were provided with a link

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

You were provided with a link

Not by the poster.

debok

Amirani wrote: »

We've had 15000 capacity for a good while now.

I was pointing out he said in march 15000 in a few days. That would be 105000 a week. It's end of may now and we have 325000 test done. So I doubt we've met the 15000 a day too often. I actually think we've handled well but reporters need to ask tough questions.

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

I was pointing out he said in march 15000 in a few days. That would be 105000 a week. It's end of may now and we have 325000 test done. So I doubt we've met the 15000 a day too often. I actually think we've handled well but reporters need to ask tough questions.

Test capacity is not the same thing as the demand for tests / number of tests completed. 325k test completed is meaningless when discussing test capacity.

As of mid May:

“There is capacity there to carry out up to 13,000 tests a day but the Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory say there is only around a quarter of that demand at present.”

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-covid-19-testing-system-among-best-in-europe--hse-998808.html

debok

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Test capacity is not the same thing as the demand for tests / number of tests completed. 325k test completed is meaningless when discussing test capacity.

As of mid May:

“There is capacity there to carry out up to 13,000 tests a day but the Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory say there is only around a quarter of that demand at present.”

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-covid-19-testing-system-among-best-in-europe--hse-998808.html

So capacity is upto 13000 a day not 15000. Thanks for that.

Sam Quentin

RobertKK wrote: »

We had old people being sent from hospitals into nursing homes untested, and this contributed to the death toll.
But is your argument that politicians responsible for health policy should not be questioned?

No no no.
The answers are being given,.the journalists are not accepting them and are pushing and pushing for no other reason than to force one of the 'questionees' to make a mistake/say something incriminating and work with that.... forcing fake news stories.
A blind man(no disrespect) could see that.

freshpopcorn

It's something I've noticed recently actually some people don't want Dr Tony to be asked any difficult question. (I've no idea why)

Rodney Bathgate

debok wrote: »

So capacity is upto 13000 a day not 15000. Thanks for that.

Yeah, happy to disprove your claim that it was far lower.

Of course capacity of 13,000 in mid May doesn’t mean capacity in early April wasn’t 15,000.

Rubberchikken

We need journalists that are unafraid to question. That won't accept every glib answer given to them by any authority.
This country is small and there's always a chance that it gets to cosy in the govt, gardai, public service and the media.
Those that are willing to stick their neck out need to be applauded not shut down

Sam Quentin

Rubberchikken wrote: »

We need journalists that are unafraid to question. That won't accept every glib answer given to them by any authority.
This country is small and there's always a chance that it gets to cosy in the govt, gardai, public service and the media.
Those that are willing to stick their neck out need to be applauded not shut down

This thread is about COVID-19..
F ALL PEOPLE HAVE F ALL ANSWERS ABOUT THIS EVILNESS THAT ENVELOPED THE WORLD.

Necro

Mod Note:

Thread moved to Coronavirus Forum. Reminder to read the charter here before posting.

Mad_maxx

amusing thread

the media have been overwhelmingly timid towards the government and NPHET since march , far too tepid and accepting

Mad_maxx

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It's something I've noticed recently actually some people don't want Dr Tony to be asked any difficult question. (I've no idea why)

guy has been elevated to a pedestal of near infalibility , history wont be kind to him with regard the nursing home screw up alone