Who are the heroes and villains of this, so far, in your opinion?

ShineOn7

The heroes. Very easy and obvious ones here

• HSE workers, especially those working Covid wards (you could have offered me 5 grand a week to do their job in the last two months and I'd have said no)
• Retail staff
• Bus drivers (29 have died from it in London)

The villains

• Ivan "Lift the bloody restrictions!" Yates. Whatever happened to unbiased journalism for matters like this?
• The knuckle draggers queuing an hour for a McDonalds this week. Not exactly an essential journey
• People who generally haven't bothered to educate themselves with even the basics of this, like the R0 number and it's importance. These are the most dangerous of kind of people during this. The ignorant ones

Who are the heroes and villains of this, so far, in your opinion?

Jim Bob Scratcher

Villian = Tony, the bastard shouldn't be even in a job with his track record.

Fann Linn

FG/Dept of Health and HSE for their handling of nursing homes/ testing/ equipment and childcare for affected workers deserve the naughty step.

ShineOn7

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Villian = Tony, the bastard shouldn't be even in a job with his track record.

Give us a hero too. Can't have the thread all negative ;-)

mickdw

Villains - ordinary people who believe they dont have it and wont make a difference and go about mixing with extended family daily.

road_high

Villains for me are moralising pain in the arse types “lives are more important than the economy” etc. I’m sure I don’t have to spell it out any further

noodler

I think we need to wait til the end is in sight and all factors can be considered before a real evaluation is made

ShineOn7

noodler wrote: »

I think we need to wait til the end is in sight and all factors can be considered before a real evaluation is made

You'd make a great politician

TheBeach

Heroes :the civil servants for getting the covid payments sorted promptly. It didn't happen by magic.

Ardillaun

When it comes to decisions made, there'll be a lot more than fifty shades of grey to consider rather than the black and white of pure villainy or heroism. We're all in the dark at the moment and I'm sure most people are trying to do their best in difficult circumstances.

ThewhiteJesus

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The heroes. Very easy and obvious ones here

• HSE workers, especially those working Covid wards (you could have offered me 5 grand a week to do their job in the last two months and I'd have said no)
• Retail staff
• Bus drivers (29 have died from it in London)

The villains

• Ivan "Lift the bloody restrictions!" Yates. Whatever happened to unbiased journalism for matters like this?
• The knuckle draggers queuing an hour for a McDonalds this week. Not exactly an essential journey
• People who generally haven't bothered to educate themselves with even the basics of this, like the R0 number and it's importance. These are the most dangerous of kind of people during this. The ignorant ones

Who are the heroes and villains of this, so far, in your opinion?

You say hse staff, I’m one but people are already calling for us to have a wage cut, even though most of us are under the average wage, thanks for nothing, I haven’t missed a single day and have had to isolate from all my family.

LuasSimon

Villians - The usual suspects refusing to behave like the rest of the population

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/543877/mass-gathering-at-burial-an-insult-to-the-rest-of-us-td.html

LessOutragePlz

The only villain for me is China.

The hero's are all around us some more obvious than others.

moonlighting_1

C**ts who went to cheltenham

noodler

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

You say hse staff, I’m one but people are already calling for us to have a wage cut, even though most of us are under the average wage, thanks for nothing, I haven’t missed a single day and have had to isolate from all my family.

There are 112k people in the HSE at end 2019 so if be wary of lumping everyone in with ICU nurses who have had the hardest time a month ago.

Wage cuts would be a caused by the fiscal situation rather than your immaculate work attendance in fairness.

mean gene

Villains - China government

Heroes - whistle blowers china

Mike3287

Villains - Travellers

Heroes - Everyone else

ThewhiteJesus

noodler wrote: »

There are 112k people in the HSE at end 2019 so if be wary of lumping everyone in with ICU nurses who have had the hardest time a month ago.

Wage cuts would be a caused by the fiscal situation rather than your immaculate work attendance in fairness.

Very small minded view, to get a nurse recruited to the hse, and then paid takes so much administration it’s not funny, then all the items required for them to save lives.
But hey I’m sure you’ve had a great time at home on your soapbox

Beechwoodspark

The main Villian is the CCP

So many heroes

The doctors and nurses and everyone in the Irish health services are the main ones

ShineOn7

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The only villain for me is China.

I forgot to mention in my OP the biggest villain of them all

So many fcuking lies

SEPT 23 1989

Heroes carers on 12 Euro an hour

Villains the mass murderers who unleashed this

Kermit.de.frog

Villians - CPC, Trump

Heroes - Kermit



You all know it's true :pac:

Beasty honorable mention

ThewhiteJesus

Local everyday people buying food for elderly neighbours is such a nice thing to do

mean gene

Pre covid lingering trade war China and US then this, appears from China you'd wonder

ShineOn7

mean gene wrote: »

Pre covid lingering trade war China and US then this, appears from China you'd wonder

I was thinking that at the start of this myself. But the most my conspiratorial mind will allow is "Maybe it accidentally escaped from a lab. Maybe"

noodler

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Very small minded view, to get a nurse recruited to the hse, and then paid takes so much administration it’s not funny, then all the items required for them to save lives.
But hey I’m sure you’ve had a great time at home on your soapbox

Could you maybe post that agin in different words?

Am I reading you right that you want to be held in the same regard as an ICU nurse because you are involved in HSE admin?

All I said was I would hold ICU nurses in particular regard. Plenty of admin workers have kept working through this, and fair play to them of course, but you shouldn't take it as a slight if people differentiate HSE admin from HSE ICU Nurses.

All that fandango

Villain - Ronald McDonald

whisky_galore

road_high wrote: »

Villains for me are moralising pain in the arse types “lives are more important than the economy” etc. I’m sure I don’t have to spell it out any further

Is the economy more important than yours?

You would be ok taking one for the team them.

RandomViewer

road_high wrote: »

Villains for me are moralising pain in the arse types “lives are more important than the economy” etc. I’m sure I don’t have to spell it out any further

Jesus, your are one sad bastxxd ,

Tin Foil Hat

History will not remember kindly those in power who sat on their hands and watched, in slow motion, as this virus travel around the world on airplanes.
The biggest vilians in the coronavirus story are those people who had the power to close down airports, but didn't.

RandomViewer

Villains world: China, Trump and co,
Villains Ireland, Michael Martin and Coveney, one using crisis to get himself in the top job, the other sneaking in the shadows instigating for big business.

Heroes : all those every where who did their best

road_high

RandomViewer wrote: »

Jesus, your are one sad bastxxd ,

Oh no I wont sleep at night with you thinking that of me oh no. Must have touched a nerve with another “don’t kill granny” type

whisky_galore

Villians. Chinese Communist Party, using their strong trading position as a stick to beat any country who may attach blame to them.

I wouldn't call Ivan Yates a villian, just a sh1t stirring two bit hack who can sit back and find fault and snigger at his former colleagues, not that I'm a great fan of govt but it's easy to be the smarmy hurler on the ditch.

RandomViewer

road_high wrote: »

Oh no I wont sleep at night with you thinking that of me oh no. Must have touched a nerve with another “don’t kill granny” type

You're a joke wee man, bit like that right wing wanxxx with the plastic hair used to be on with Brendan O Connor, Fxxk , maybe you are him, shrivelled little hate monger with only his debit card for company

weldoninhio

Heroes - Doctors and Nurses And HCAs in Covid wards around the world.

Villains - Failed Journalism student Harris. Photo shoot Varadkar. Tony “don’t shut the care homes” Holohan.

lawrencesummers

Maybe hero’s and villains is the wrong thread title for this but

I’m fairly sure that there is a solid trend developing with regard the response of countries which has been poorest being led by males - Brazil, US, UK

And the countries that have had the best response has had a female leader in charge, Taiwan, Germany, New Zealand.

Lots of other countries in the middle i guess.

Now it’s early to say this with any huge degree of statistics because it is early, and maybe someday someone will give a breakdown of the gender ratios in each countries response teams and that could throw up interesting stats.

I’m not advocating having female leadership just for the sake of it, and it appears that Ireland isn’t blessed with many suitable female leader either. The only Female current member of the gov that springs to mind is Catherine Zappone, and she has justified her renouncement by the electorate during this crisis.

I can only think of one female that has the ability to be Taoiseach and very few that would make good ministers but that’s as much down to not having the opportunity to shine as anything else.

YFlyer

Richard Branson.

faceman

This kind of thread is exactly everything wrong with society, particularly in time of a crisis. Pigeon holing people as 'good' or 'bad' without context. OK lets play the game.

Do I think all health workers are heroes? Not all of them, in fact a smaller percentage than we probably realise. 120,000 people work for the HSE. Do you honestly believe a switch has been flicked that has made one of our more costly services, with some of the worst healthcare inefficiencies outside of the third world is now a streamlined slick source of premium care? There is definitely a percentage of workers who have gone well above and beyond what is required of them and they're the heroes. This is what they are trained to do, and they are doing a good job.

Do I think Holohan is a hero? No. Firstly, cervival smear scandal, lest we forget. He has made some great, hard decisions in his role. But that's his job. To put medical welfare first, not economic, political or anything else first. However he is still making decisions that go beyond his remit. And is allowed to do so. But I can't the cervical smear scandal out of my head. If that's all true, what else is true?

Do I think some lad who goes off to meet his bird in her house in a villain? No. We don't know the circumstances. And in reality with a current infection rate of 0.0004% in Ireland, the risk of transmission/infection is miniscule.

I could go on but Ill just sound like a crazy person. lol

ShineOn7

faceman wrote: »

And in reality with a current infection rate of 0.0004% in Ireland, the risk of transmission/infection is miniscule.

Er. How did you work that out?

Feel free to add your source to the Maths Of it All thread too

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Er. How did you work that out?

Feel free to add your source to the Maths Of it All thread too

Take the active number of current confirmed cases And divide by population

storker

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The heroes. Very easy and obvious ones here

• Ivan "Lift the bloody restrictions!" Yates. Whatever happened to unbiased journalism for matters like this?

Yeats is more troll than villain, he'll say whatever he needs to get people worked up, goad his interviewee and keep peole listening and the texts coming in @ 30c per message. It's just verbal clickbait.

BrianD3

faceman wrote: »

Do I think all health workers are heroes? Not all of them, in fact a smaller percentage than we probably realise. 120,000 people work for the HSE. Do you honestly believe a switch has been flicked that has made one of our more costly services, with some of the worst healthcare inefficiencies outside of the third world is now a streamlined slick source of premium care? There is definitely a percentage of workers who have gone well above and beyond what is required of them and they're the heroes. This is what they are trained to do, and they are doing a good job.

Do I think Holohan is a hero? No. Firstly, cervival smear scandal, lest we forget. He has made some great, hard decisions in his role. But that's his job. To put medical welfare first, not economic, political or anything else first. However he is still making decisions that go beyond his remit. And is allowed to do so. But I can't the cervical smear scandal out of my head. If that's all true, what else is true?
l

I'll be generous to Holohan and Co. and say they have done fairly well given the difficult circumstances. However, as you imply, a bigger picture and prior issues in our health service need to be considered here. Did decades of mismanagement, poor decisions, incompetence and pandering to vested interests make things worse when this pandemic hit. I believe they absolutely did.

For instance:
-Why are we so reliant on for profit, private nursing homes, why were there known issues with infection control procedures in nursing homes, did HIQA fail in its remit.
-How many people died in nursing homes who could have been at home and avoided infection but weren't at home because of the fiasco that is provision of homecare packages.

And leaving aside Covid-19, how many people have had poor outcomes (i.e. died) over the years due to hospital overcrowding (possibly related to nursing homes failing to control flu and winter vomiting bug infections?) lack of ICU beds and so on. I believe that this number probably dwarfs the number of those who have died with Covid-19. Covid-19 hit us and suddenly there is a mad scramble to make changes when previously changes "weren't possible" or "there's no money". Absolutely shameful in my view.

Successive governments and ministers for health, HSE senior management and the Dept of Health are responsible for this. Ministers and HSE senior people come and go but who has been a constant in this system for longer than most? Holohan has - appointed Deputy CMO in 2001 and CMO in 2008.

And to add to that I don't believe that consultants, nurses, unions, GPs are blameless either.

As for those who should be commended - I would say that those working in shops and food supply chains (including meat processing facilities which we know have been hotspots for Covid-19) who through their poorly paid work kept shelves stocked with food and may have prevented mass panic.

faceman

storker wrote: »

Yeats is more troll than villain, he'll say whatever he needs to get people worked up, goad his interviewee and keep peole listening and the texts coming in @ 30c per message. It's just verbal clickbait.

Love him or hate him, he is asking the right questions at the moment.

Del Griffith

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The villains

• Ivan "Lift the bloody restrictions!" Yates. Whatever happened to unbiased journalism for matters like this?
  

How can you put Ivan Yates n the villains column for asking the hard questions?

The mans reporting is generally unbiased but he's also allowed have a personal opinion, he's hardly a villain for daring to slightly veer from the states official narrative?

MD1990

I hate McDonalds.
But I see no issue with people queuing to get some food from the takeaway.
No risk of spreading the virus.

Dakota Dan

TheBeach wrote: »

Heroes :the civil servants for getting the covid payments sorted promptly. It didn't happen by magic.

It was almost as if it were planned in advance.

Dakota Dan

moonlighting_1 wrote: »

C**ts who went to cheltenham

Give it a rest will you, in 20 years time You’ll still be moaning about them.

jetsonx

Villain: Tesco

While all of their competitors are thanking or acknowledging their staff, Tesco launched a new TV ad this week without even a mention of them.

So, while their staff are putting their lives on the line everyday, Tesco management didn't even think they're worth a mention.

Not nice Tesco. As a consumer, I'd rather give my business to a company that do seem to care about their employees.

weldoninhio

jetsonx wrote: »

Villain: Tesco

While all of their competitors are thanking or acknowledging their staff, Tesco launched a new TV ad this week without even a mention of them.

So, while their staff are putting their lives on the line everyday, Tesco management didn't even think they're worth a mention.

Not nice Tesco. As a consumer, I'd rather give my business to a company that do seem to care about their employees.

They’re giving staff a 20% bonus. If I was a worker I’d prefer cash than a tv ad.

faceman

jetsonx wrote: »

Villain: Tesco

While all of their competitors are thanking or acknowledging their staff, Tesco launched a new TV ad this week without even a mention of them.

So, while their staff are putting their lives on the line everyday, Tesco management didn't even think they're worth a mention.

Not nice Tesco. As a consumer, I'd rather give my business to a company that do seem to care about their employees.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they’re putting their lives on the line considering what we know about the virus now

jetsonx

faceman wrote: »

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they’re putting their lives on the line considering what we know about the virus now

Consumers are being told to get in and get out ASAP.

They have to stay there for 6 or 8 hours.

I do feel sorry for them.

BTW, what's changed about the virus, it still a contagious fecker...