When do Physios open back up

EltonJohn69

Does any body know when physios are back open ? Is there a date yet ? I assume it will be the final phase ?

Ceepo

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does any body know when physios are back open ? Is there a date yet ? I assume it will be the final phase ?

I know a few are opening from Monday 18th.

Alf Veedersane

Ceepo wrote: »

I know a few are opening from Monday 18th.

No justification for that.

Not saying they won't be opening but it's completely contrary to the guidance.

Edit: it shouldn't be any sooner than 20th July.

pconn062

I think it could be July 20th, as I believe it falls under the criteria for phase 4. But it's still slightly unclear. I am a physical therapist and I'm aiming for July 20th. Anyone opening next Monday is putting themselves and others at risk IMO and I say that as someone who has not earned a penny since the 12th of March.

Alun

Just got an email from my physio to say they're reopening on 18th May. Sounds a bit dodgy to me though.

Day Lewin

My local physio are doing mainly online consultations: but will see patients in-clinic for pain and emergency treatment.

Got up like a spaceman, with full clean-down between clients, and none let in until last gone out and the place sanitised, etc

I don't think they're actually seeing very many in person, but the service is available if genuinely needed.

Ceepo

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

No justification for that.

Not saying they won't be opening but it's completely contrary to the guidance.

It should be 10th of August.

2 chartered physios clinics ( with more than 1 physio employed) in 2 different towns near me posted a notification on FB yesterday evening.

Apparently they're following guidelines from the chartered physiotherapist association.

My understanding is that some medical service can resume from the 18th

Ceepo

Alun wrote: »

Just got an email from my physio to say they're reopening on 18th May. Sounds a bit dodgy to me though.

Why..?

Ceepo

pconn062 wrote: »

I think it could be July 20th, as I believe it falls under the criteria for phase 4. But it's still slightly unclear. I am a physical therapist and I'm aiming for July 20th. Anyone opening next Monday is putting themselves and others at risk IMO and I say that as someone who has not earned a penny since the 12th of March.

I had aligned with that. Until a dentist friend of mine point out that medical services could reopen on the 18th

Would you open if physiotherapist were opening.?

EltonJohn69

My body is broken might risk the 18th

Alf Veedersane

Ceepo wrote: »

2 chartered physios clinics ( with more than 1 physio employed) in 2 different towns near me posted a notification on FB yesterday evening.

Apparently they're following guidelines from the chartered physiotherapist association.

My understanding is that some medical service can resume from the 18th

Fair enough. Seeing another one. The roadmap document isn't clear on what services should/shouldn't open up in the area of health services so I suppose they can make a case for it.

echo beach

Ceepo wrote: »

I had aligned with that. Until a dentist friend of mine point out that medical services could reopen on the 18th

Medical, and dental, services never closed but most are only dealing with emergencies or urgent cases.

pconn062

Ceepo wrote: »

I had aligned with that. Until a dentist friend of mine point out that medical services could reopen on the 18th

Would you open if physiotherapist were opening.?

I don't honestly know what to do. A good chunk of my work is still based around touch therapy, and it what a lot of my clients seek out. A lot of the physios I know do much less of that and could maybe manage better. I don't like the thoughts of opening and wearing a gown, mask and gloves. But maybe this is the new norm we have to get used too?

Stark

I imagine it's the same category as hairdressers though I guess you could make the argument if someone is in severe pain, that it falls under medical need, similar to a dentist appointment?

I also know of a few who are currently operating on a below the radar basis with some of their regular clients.

Ceepo

pconn062 wrote: »

I don't honestly know what to do. A good chunk of my work is still based around touch therapy, and it what a lot of my clients seek out. A lot of the physios I know do much less of that and could maybe manage better. I don't like the thoughts of opening and wearing a gown, mask and gloves. But maybe this is the new norm we have to get used too?

Similar and I have been turning down clients for the past few weeks.
At some point we have to all get back to work. It may well be the new normal.

Ceepo

I had a quick browse on FB at a few physiotherapist clinic randomly around the country., and it would seem that there are quite a few clinics planning to open on the 18th.
I'm pretty sure that others will also open but may not have advertised that just yet.
I don't see just one clinic in a town opening. As sure as night follows day others will open too.
I don't see any real difference between physical therapist / nmt/ sports injury therapist as being any different that physiotherapist.
Some might be more "hands on" or offer 60 min sessions, they may have to look at this aspect of their practice.
But if any individual therapist feels they should stay closed that is their right.

EltonJohn69

I get a sports massage every 2 weeks... my back and kneck are falling apart without it ...: do you reckon sports massages will be too close contact to return ?

Alf Veedersane

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I get a sports massage every 2 weeks... my back and kneck are falling apart without it ...: do you reckon sports massages will be too close contact to return ?

Are you getting exercises to do to try and address the root cause of the back and neck issues?

EltonJohn69

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Are you getting exercises to do to try and address the root cause of the back and neck issues?

One physio gave me exercises that didn’t help.. maybe made it worse.....recently I discovered that i think I have a problem with the SCM muscle which stretches don’t work on, need a professional to work on it

Alf Veedersane

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

One physio gave me exercises that didn’t help.. maybe made it worse.....recently I discovered that i think I have a problem with the SCM muscle which stretches don’t work on, need a professional to work on it

It just read as that it is just continuous soft tissue work just to help and if that's the case, unless nothing can be done to address the root cause and the treatment is just palliative, then so be it.

Is there nothing they can do to address the root cause because - and I'm no expert but - I don't think continuous soft tissue work would change something that is probably more fundamental.


I'm only asking because I've been to a couple of good physios in my time who have said that while the soft tissue work can help in the short term, the actual problem needs to be addressed and that is usually through some movements to address the issue. Fully appreciate they were different but just to explain why I asked, that's all.

Ceepo

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

One physio gave me exercises that didn’t help.. maybe made it worse.....recently I discovered that i think I have a problem with the SCM muscle which stretches don’t work on, need a professional to work on it

What's your posture like?

EltonJohn69

Ceepo wrote: »

What's your posture like?

Terrible !!! If I stare at anything that not directly in front of me I get a headache... years of bad posture and staring at a laptop from a bad angle... and lifting weights/pushups wrong... and a bit of repetitive strain as well
Going to buy a posture corrector

Ceepo

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Terrible !!! If I stare at anything that not directly in front of me I get a headache... years of bad posture and staring at a laptop from a bad angle... and lifting weights/pushups wrong... and a bit of repetitive strain as well
Going to buy a posture corrector

Posture corrector are a complete waste of money imo.
If you want you can pm me on a few pictures of your stand of posture front back and side)
I'd be more that willing to have a look at them and give you some corrective work to help you. Free of charge of course.

Day Lewin

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Terrible !!! If I stare at anything that not directly in front of me I get a headache... years of bad posture and staring at a laptop from a bad angle... and lifting weights/pushups wrong... and a bit of repetitive strain as well
Going to buy a posture corrector

Or do some Surya Namaskar every morning.

Do posture exercises instead
Hard work and sore but great

Marcus-Aurelius

Some physiotherapy clinics did not close during lockdown.
Patients in need with acute pain, have been treated throughout the duration of lockdown.
GP's are still referring to those in need. Nil guidance from ISCP to close private practice.

I am back working 2 weeks and actively seeing patients, with PPE and other strict measures in place.
Patients seeking treatment and grateful of treatment plans for improvement.

ThebitterLemon

Ceepo wrote: »

Posture corrector are a complete waste of money imo.
If you want you can pm me on a few pictures of your stand of posture front back and side)
I'd be more that willing to have a look at them and give you some corrective work to help you. Free of charge of course.

That’s decent of you in fairness

TbL

Wanderer19

I would have thought sports massage, in distance terms, would be along the lines of tattooists, which aren't due to open until August, if everything goes to plan.

EltonJohn69

Wanderer19 wrote: »

I would have thought sports massage, in distance terms, would be along the lines of tattooists, which aren't due to open until August, if everything goes to plan.

A sports massage can drastically improve someone’s quality of life, just like the dentist or other medical treatments... I don’t think tattoos have the same impact

Wanderer19

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

A sports massage can drastically improve someone’s quality of life, just like the dentist or other medical treatments... I don’t think tattoos have the same impact

It's not about the work, it's about the close proximity. Hence, I mentioned the distance.

As a sports therapist myself I'm hesitant to start back until it's deemed safe, but I'm losing money by not taking bookings and still paying rent on my therapy room.

EltonJohn69

Was to talking to my sports massage place, they hope to open “very soon” they have been in negotiations with the government.

Ceepo

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Was to talking to my sports massage place, they hope to open “very soon” they have been in negotiations with the government.

That's good to hear. While I can't talk for that particular practice, I do know that there are a number of practice open since May 18th...
With restrictions around booking etc

Wanderer19

I've had 2 people contact me in the last 3 days looking for a relaxing massage, but then they 'found' someone who is open - clearly some dont mind putting others at risk.

I don't know about other therapists, but I'm finding it hard to get clear guidance as to when we can open, and I wouldn't be keen on using gloves to provide a massage.

Stark

My physio is seeing people in person but only for "acute" cases. Got a couple of in-person appointments as I was having neck/shoulder issues that were preventing me from sleeping properly but other than that it's still video call for most appointments.

Ceepo

Wanderer19 wrote: »

I've had 2 people contact me in the last 3 days looking for a relaxing massage, but then they 'found' someone who is open - clearly some dont mind putting others at risk.

I don't know about other therapists, but I'm finding it hard to get clear guidance as to when we can open, and I wouldn't be keen on using gloves to provide a massage.

Why do you think they "clearly don't mind putting others at risk"
Why would you need to use gloves.

Surly if you carry out a risk consultation, use protective mask, wash hands and use sanatiser, then you don't need gloves nor are
You are going to place anyone at risk.

Of course this will depend on the area that you're living in and what the infection rate is down to in that area.
As an example in the county I live in we had 1 case in the passed 10 days. This not to take away from the seriousness of covid but just to give it perspective.

Wanderer19

Ceepo wrote: »

Why do you think they "clearly don't mind putting others at risk"
Why would you need to use gloves.

Surly if you carry out a risk consultation, use protective mask, wash hands and use sanatiser, then you don't need gloves nor are
You are going to place anyone at risk.

Of course this will depend on the area that you're living in and what the infection rate is down to in that area.
As an example in the county I live in we had 1 case in the passed 10 days. This not to take away from the seriousness of covid but just to give it perspective.

Anyone can lie on a risk consultation - or not know that they're actually carrying the virus, or not care.

I'll use a face shield, and the client would be using a mask, no issues with that. Wash hands, sanitiser etc, all no problem.

However, if the virus wasn't contagious then no one would have had to stop trading.

The room is small, with no ventilation, and if I physically have my hands on someone for 60 minutes then it would be fair to say I'm in close physical contact.

My clients come from other counties, including Dublin, so the infection area is multiple.

My perspective is that if it's not required for medical reasons then it's not needed - and that's how they're putting others at risk.

Unless of course a relaxing massage has been put on the list of essential services? And is a requirement for people to travel outside the 2/5k zone?

EltonJohn69

Definitely an essential service

Wanderer19

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Definitely an essential service

Physiotherapy - definitely

Sports massage for elite athletes, or for injury/rehab purposes - Also a yes.

A massage because someone has time off and fancies a pamper? absolutely not an essential service IMHO

Ceepo

Wanderer19 wrote: »

Anyone can lie on a risk consultation - or not know that they're actually carrying the virus, or not care.

I'll use a face shield, and the client would be using a mask, no issues with that. Wash hands, sanitiser etc, all no problem.

However, if the virus wasn't contagious then no one would have had to stop trading.

The room is small, with no ventilation, and if I physically have my hands on someone for 60 minutes then it would be fair to say I'm in close physical contact.

My clients come from other counties, including Dublin, so the infection area is multiple.

My perspective is that if it's not required for medical reasons then it's not needed - and that's how they're putting others at risk.

Unless of course a relaxing massage has been put on the list of essential services? And is a requirement for people to travel outside the 2/5k zone?

"Anyone can lie on a risk consultation - or not know that they're actually carrying the virus, or not care."
Yes of course they " Could" lie or might not know they're carrying the covid virus, or any amount of other contagion. And as with all thing there's a risk. Basically all you or anyone can do is minimise the risk as much as possible.

"However, if the virus wasn't contagious then no one would have had to stop trading"
Yes this is true and at the time that businesses were asked to close the virus was a lot more prevalent. However that risk is greatly reduce now. Hence why the country is starting to open up to a greater degree.

"The room is small, with no ventilation, and if I physically have my hands on someone for 60 minutes then it would be fair to say I'm in close physical contact."

As a massage therapist it would of course mean you would have physical contact. Be that for what ever your treatment times are.

I'm not sure where you are based, but travel restrictions still apply all be it less restricted. From tomorrow Monday its with your county or 20k if close to another Co border.


"Unless of course a relaxing massage has been put on the list of essential services? And is a requirement for people to travel outside the 2/5k zone?"

I think that you know that a "relaxing massage" wouldn't come under essentials service or a reason to go outside the 5k travel limit.

If you ONLY do relaxing massage then I would say you should stay close, if however you also treat injuries then I would se that as essential.

To the best of my knowledge massage therapy wasn't mentioned in any reopening phase. So if you are part of a massage society etc, then they might have guidelines. As physiotherapist have reopen (with restrictions) I know many physical therapy, NMT and Sport Injury Clinics have also reopened (also with restrictions)

If you're not and are self employed then you have to make up your own mind as to which category that best suits you to align with.

You are of course under no obligation to open now or indeed ever if you feel it is unsafe or you feel that you are putting people at risk.