Headford Road currently blocked at Carrowbrowne due to a protest

Blondie919

Discodog wrote: »

In that case do it properly & put a Garda car across the entrance.

They’d have to park something heavier than a car across the entrance

flazio

Blondie919 wrote: »

They’d have to park something heavier than a car across the entrance

Time to get a Land Rover Tangi from our friends in the North?

Blondie919

flazio wrote: »

Time to get a Land Rover Tangi from our friends in the North?

Had to google a Tangi but yeah that would do the trick

flazio

Blondie919 wrote: »

Had to google a Tangi but yeah that would do the trick

For the others uninitiated, it's those armoured Land Rover Defenders that are synonymous with the RUC/PSNI.

saabsaab

flazio wrote: »

For the others uninitiated, it's those armoured Land Rover Defenders that are synonymous with the RUC/PSNI.

Drew might be able to get a few cheap through his old contacts.

at1withmyself

Discodog wrote: »

In that case do it properly & put a Garda car across the entrance.

Or just leave the 2 checkpoints which are doing the job. Honestly if they had a single car they'd have no hope and you'd probably be first on here stating it should be check points either end.

Discodog

at1withmyself wrote: »

Or just leave the 2 checkpoints which are doing the job. Honestly if they had a single car they'd have no hope and you'd probably be first on here stating it should be check points either end.

How are they doing the job ? Are they turning back people, arresting people ?

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

How are they doing the job ? Are they turning back people, arresting people ?

They arent doing it for fun so the fact they are continuing it and there are clowns out protesting means it must be successful.

If I were in charge I'd have the army out there immediately to remove (forcefully preferably) them idiots from the road and keep them in their site.

Discodog

Nylah CoolS Businessman wrote: »

They arent doing it for fun so the fact they are continuing it and there are clowns out protesting means it must be successful.

If I were in charge I'd have the army out there immediately to remove (forcefully preferably) them idiots from the road and keep them in their site.

The law allows them to pretty much do whatever is necessary. If it were successful they wouldn't of left the site to protest.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

The law allows them to pretty much do whatever is necessary. If it were successful they wouldn't of left the site to protest.

I'm honestly confused as to what point you are trying to make with your last half dozen posts

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm honestly confused as to what point you are trying to make with your last half dozen posts

Simple. If the rumours are true then why don't they implement the law & properly lock down the site ?

Laviski

they are allowed 5 km to exercise
but given circumstances, the locations chosen were the best to allow cars to safely turn around when asked.

thecretinhop

dark smoke billowing out of that area tonight as we speak

biko

Bunch of posts removed that are derogatory or plain racist.
Cards handed out.

ben.schlomo

thecretinhop wrote: »

dark smoke billowing out of that area tonight as we speak

No surprise and a regular enough occurance.

PCeeeee

flazio wrote: »

Lack of arrests is probably down to the fact that the Ambulance service is likely reluctant to press charges owing to the fact that if anyone on that camp rings 999 for an ambulance, they cannot refuse to respond and to make that process as smooth as possible, they need the travellers to trust them.

This is not America. The Ambulance Service does not decide who gets charged

Loozer

Ambulance doesn't have to go in without Garda backup

cfeeneyinterior

biko wrote: »

cfeeneyinterior posted a FB video above from Cllr. James Charity

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1566056280236652&id=154787634696864

Discodog

RTE.ie: Garda checkpoint demonstrators block Galway road.
https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0512/1137905-galway/

Meanwhile

Hi could you Advise all Drivers to proceed with caution by halting site Curraghline..
Kids on Road with Bikes and cycling out in front of cars

https://www.facebook.com/378605648878408/posts/3826459107426361/

sliabh 1956

Discodog wrote: »

I would have zero sympathy for that particular group but I think the Gardai got this very wrong. Whilst they stopped everyone, it was clear that the checkpoints were targeting one group. Anyone that had a checkpoint, each side of their home, practically 24/7 for days would feel singled out. A single undercover car could of done the job with minimal fuss.

Looks like the checkpoints are back this morning.

And would a single squad car be enough to stop them as they decide to go for a pleasure drive or to a funeral like they did in Cork during the week

MaxFlower

ben.schlomo wrote: »

No surprise and a regular enough occurance.

Probably burning the stuff they fly tip on their own doorstep.



Although someone told me the local authority did a major cleanup recently, just another cost the taxpayer is going to have to front up.

Bullocks

thecretinhop wrote: »

dark smoke billowing out of that area tonight as we speak

Burning the coating off electric cable will let put a lot of black smoke. If I was at it here the EPA wouldn't be long calling out

Fozzie Bear

Bullocks wrote: »

Burning the coating off electric cable will let put a lot of black smoke. If I was at it here the EPA wouldn't be long calling out

Ya this usually or else they are burning rubbish (not everything gets thrown over the wall). I live in the area and to be honest black smoke coming from the halting site is nothing new. Regular occurance. They used to go down the bog lanes around the area to burn the cables until the council erected gates. So they just do it in the fields beside the halting site now.


Someone else asked if the Gardai are turning back cars at the check points on the Headford Road and I can assure you they most certainly are! I've witnessed it myself

Discodog

If you allow any group of people to ignore the law for generations you can hardly complain if they carry on doing everything as before. Yet again the law are pussy footing around the situation & as usual, the public are being inconvenienced.

If the site needs locking down then it should be done properly & if that needs the Rangers with full Hasmet suits then so be it. If the law stood up to this lawbreaking we wouldn't have these constant problems.

flazio

As much as I hate the dominant bullies in the travelling community I would never condone the armed forces of this country pointing their weapons towards any unarmed citizens of this nation regardless of class, religion or so called "culture".

no.8

The untrustables...yet again

Discodog

flazio wrote: »

As much as I hate the dominant bullies in the travelling community I would never condone the armed forces of this country pointing their weapons towards any unarmed citizens of this nation regardless of class, religion or so called "culture".

Even if they were "armed" with a virus that they had no concern about spreading? How would you persuade these people to abide with the law or do you think they should be exempt?

flazio

As I have not done any study in the field of behavior psychology I am not qualified to answer that question.

flazio

flazio wrote: »

As much as I hate the dominant bullies in the travelling community I would never condone the armed forces of this country pointing their weapons towards any unarmed citizens of this nation regardless of class, religion or so called "culture".

I'd condone it and a lot more too.

youngrun

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/enacted/en/print.html

Hard to believe some of the comments on here in light of the prevailing legislation

PCeeeee

youngrun wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/enacted/en/print.html

Hard to believe some of the comments on here in light of the prevailing legislation

No one here is upset at these people because they are travellers. Being a traveller is fine.

People here are upset at the actions of this group of people. It's legal to be upset, discuss & criticise the actions of people.

Discodog

PCeeeee wrote: »

No one here is upset at these people because they are travellers. Being a traveller is fine.

People here are upset at the actions of this group of people. It's legal to be upset, discuss & criticise the actions of people.

Unfortunately it's fear of being accused of discrimination that means the Gardai have to stop every car.

It will be interesting to see how long the present Garda operation lasts.

biko

Report posts you take offence with, and clearly add your reasoning.
Mods don't read everything.

jammiedodgers

Why don't you post links to the numerous laws travellers break?

inisboffin

PCeeeee wrote: »

No one here is upset at these people because they are travellers. Being a traveller is fine.

People here are upset at the actions of this group of people. It's legal to be upset, discuss & criticise the actions of people.

SOME people, maybe MOST people on here, but there's a scary amount of 'those people' posts lumping all travellers together or insinuating that some form of discrimination or violence is the solution. Many posts have been removed in threads like this but they need to be reported.

Agreed to call out any group, but if that's not reflected in the specificity it becomes something even uglier.

Discodog

inisboffin wrote: »

SOME people, maybe MOST people on here, but there's a scary amount of 'those people' posts lumping all travellers together or insinuating that some form of discrimination or violence is the solution. Many posts have been removed in threads like this but they need to be reported.

Agreed to call out any group, but if that's not reflected in the specificity it becomes something even uglier.

Unfortunately if people are continually allowed to break the law it will create discrimination.

inisboffin

Discodog wrote: »

Unfortunately if people are continually allowed to break the law it will create discrimination.

I was addressing the point lumping an entire group of people together for the actions of some. But the point speaks for itself.

I agree with you though if you have bad experiences a few times this may happen, but it is no reason EVER to call for violence or worse (as has happened) against anyone.

ChewyLouie

Discodog

inisboffin wrote: »

I was addressing the point lumping an entire group of people together for the actions of some. But the point speaks for itself.

I agree with you though if you have bad experiences a few times this may happen, but it is no reason EVER to call for violence or worse (as has happened) against anyone.

But it's not a few times. Bad experiences have been happening here for decades.

PCeeeee

inisboffin wrote: »

I was addressing the point lumping an entire group of people together for the actions of some. But the point speaks for itself.

I agree with you though if you have bad experiences a few times this may happen, but it is no reason EVER to call for violence or worse (as has happened) against anyone.

Then report the posts calling for violence (or worse?). Report ones you feel racist. And leave off with vague warnings to the rest of us.

Let me say I believe that if an ambulance is stopped going about it's business, and the individuals stopping it do not respond to verbal requests to desist then the state should immediately use violence, up to and including the army if necessary to disperse these individuals, whoever they might be.

inisboffin

PCeeeee wrote: »

Then report the posts calling for violence (or worse?). Report ones you feel racist. And leave off with vague warnings to the rest of us.

Let me say I believe that if an ambulance is stopped going about it's business, and the individuals stopping it do not respond to verbal requests to desist then the state should immediately use violence, up to and including the army if necessary to disperse these individuals, whoever they might be.

I DID report them as did plenty of others. There were no vague warnings, simply stating that there was some amount of hateful sh*te posted in many of these threads, and it is completely inaccurate to say nobody generalised.

Wow. So your next step up from a verbal request is violence. You do know that enforcement doesn't go from 0-60 right? I was referring to violence by individuals, which is also against the law I believe.

Look, if people are stopping an ambulance whoever they are, they need to be moved. If people are robbing they need to be accountable, it doesn't matter who they are. Some people used this thread to go off on travellers in general, not speak about the individuals who were committing any crimes.

PCeeeee

inisboffin wrote: »

I DID report them as did plenty of others. There were no vague warnings, simply stating that there was some amount of hateful sh*te posted in many of these threads, and it is completely inaccurate to say nobody generalised.

Wow. So your next step up from a verbal request is violence. You do know that enforcement doesn't go from 0-60 right? I was referring to violence by individuals, which is also against the law I believe.

Look, if people are stopping an ambulance whoever they are, they need to be moved. If people are robbing they need to be accountable, it doesn't matter who they are. Some people used this thread to go off on travellers in general, not speak about the individuals who were committing any crimes.

Yes violence. Violence, or at least the threat of violence is how police forces work.

Requested to move. Then moved physically. That's enforcement. I have bo ideas what point you are making with your 0-60 analogy.

To return to the topic I do not see any reason why people blocking the road. Blocking healthcare workers. Blocking ambulances. Blocking us all trying to get home or to work or on a by definition on an essential journey should be entertained or tolerated. Move them immediately.

inisboffin

PCeeeee wrote: »

Yes violence. Violence, or at least the threat of violence is how police forces work.

Requested to move. Then moved physically. That's enforcement. I have bo ideas what point you are making with your 0-60 analogy.

To return to the topic I do not see any reason why people blocking the road. Blocking healthcare workers. Blocking ambulances. Blocking us all trying to get home or to work or on a by definition on an essential journey should be entertained or tolerated. Move them immediately.

violence
/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

That's not what you are saying.

Discodog

Are the checkpoints still there ? No sign last night or this morning on Google.

PCeeeee

inisboffin wrote: »

violence
/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

That's not what you are saying.

It is exactly what I'm saying.

PCeeeee

inisboffin wrote: »

violence
/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

That's not what you are saying.

Would you mind a question inisboffin, do you feel that a hypothetical group of protesters blocking an ambulance on a public road should be moved physically if they fail to comply with a request to move?

flazio

PCeeeee wrote: »

Would you mind a question inisboffin, do you feel that a hypothetical group of protesters blocking an ambulance on a public road should be moved physically if they fail to comply with a request to move?

I'd treat it like any other sort of road blockage, such as a lorry shed it's load or a bridge collapse and depending on the status of the patient I'd seek an alternative route, reroute to another hospital or keep the patient stable until I can get aeromedical support from either the defence forces helicopter 112 or the coastguard.

fergiesfolly

flazio wrote: »

I'd treat it like any other sort of road blockage, such as a lorry shed it's load or a bridge collapse and depending on the status of the patient I'd seek an alternative route, reroute to another hospital or keep the patient stable until I can get aeromedical support from either the defence forces helicopter 112 or the coastguard.

Jesus H Christ.

If people, any people, whether protesting or otherwise, haven't the decency or humanity to move aside for an emergency vehicle, then I would not hesitate in allowing the Gardai to use whatever force necessary to move said people.

inisboffin

PCeeeee wrote: »

Would you mind a question inisboffin, do you feel that a hypothetical group of protesters blocking an ambulance on a public road should be moved physically if they fail to comply with a request to move?

Already answered. You seem to have a very different idea of enforcement to me. And again this has all moved away from the calls for individual violence or targeting a large group of people. It isn't day or night and of course you can see I agree with part of your point but not the rest.

PCeeeee

inisboffin wrote: »

Already answered. You seem to have a very different idea of enforcement to me. And again this has all moved away from the calls for individual violence or targeting a large group of people. It isn't day or night and of course you can see I agree with part of your point but not the rest.

My idea of enforcement is where we compel people to obey the law. In the absence of compliance we 'hurt' them by depriving them of their liberty or their cash.

If they resist physically then then they are restrained. In the course of this it may be necessary to physically hurt them to sucessfully restrain or protect a Guard or member of the public. Hurt in this case means violence up to and including death.

It may be different to your idea of enforcement but it how enforcement works. Otherwise it's not enforcement, it's requesting. Wow, indeed.