Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

Locker10a

I see Cityjet are to introduce the E190 into their fleet, could this potentially be for the resumption next year of the EI LCY service?

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

I see Cityjet are to introduce the E190 into their fleet, could this potentially be for the resumption next year of the EI LCY service?

I always thought the E190 would suit Aer Lingus (basing that opinion on the JetBlue 190/320 fleet model)
Is this introduction long planned? Seems an odd time to bring new equipment 8nto CityJet with so much uncertainty around its future.

Deatr

Tenger wrote: »

I always thought the E190 would suit Aer Lingus (basing that opinion on the JetBlue 190/320 fleet model)
Is this introduction long planned? Seems an odd time to bring new equipment 8nto CityJet with so much uncertainty around its future.

It’s probably the best time to try being new equipment in, demand across Europe still rises and there’s plenty of EMBs parked up so probably good lease rates etc. But who knows!

smurfjed

Do CITYJET have any pilots left?

Deatr

smurfjed wrote: »

Do CITYJET have any pilots left?

Majority are operating out of CPH for the SAS wet lease operation there are a handful in Dublin, mainly management.

California Dreamer

Why would they look to operate E190s if they have a fleet of CRJ's, qualified crews and engineers? That doesn't make a lick of sense!

goingnowhere

Stobart had a few E jets ?

California Dreamer

goingnowhere wrote: »

Stobart had a few E jets ?

Totally different airlines.

Jack1985

Don't see EI wanting to resume LCY in 21. Plenty of existing slots to LHR/LGW that need returning first.

Locker10a

California Dreamer wrote: »

Why would they look to operate E190s if they have a fleet of CRJ's, qualified crews and engineers? That doesn't make a lick of sense!

Sense or not it’s happening! For whom the aircraft will operate is anyone’s guess, I was thinking maybe EI as a direct replacement for the work the Rj was doing for them

California Dreamer

EIR deal out to tender. Behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-regional-contract-is-up-for-grabs-39571082.html

Avoation1091

Jack1985 wrote: »

Very fluid at the moment was hoped mid-Oct, but this might be pushed out another month now. Could be movement possible with EU system for travel and Canada but it has yet to be confirmed and is very much up in the air at the moment.



Nothing is expected to move in SNN until March at the earliest, staff have been told similar. They are yes back on the pay roll at reduced hours and will be incentivised to take special leave this Winter.



No SNN crew have operated rostered duties since early April. They will more than likely have to undergo additional training as their aircraft recency will be expiring very shortly.

SNN-LHR looks to be 6 weekly from 9 Nov. Presume these flights will be cancelled? If they do go ahead, Do you know if this is a W from DUB or ORK?

Jack1985

Avoation1091 wrote: »

SNN-LHR looks to be 6 weekly from 9 Nov. Presume these flights will be cancelled? If they do go ahead, Do you know if this is a W from DUB or ORK?

It looks like it will be W rostered according to the uploaded schedule. Internal new roster runs up to 08/11 however doesn't reflect SNN operation returning. ORK-LHR also goes double daily Mon Fri Sun with daily service other days and ORK-AMS is maintained at 4 weekly on Mon Thu Fri Sun this is reflected on the new roster.

I would caution strongly that everything changes now nearly daily, Toronto was expected to come back online on 12/10 but this has been delayed now even though they are very eager to restart the route.

Avoation1091

Jack1985 wrote: »

It looks like it will be W rostered according to the uploaded schedule. Internal new roster runs up to 08/11 however doesn't reflect SNN operation returning. ORK-LHR also goes double daily Mon Fri Sun with daily service other days and ORK-AMS is maintained at 4 weekly on Mon Thu Fri Sun this is reflected on the new roster.

I would caution strongly that everything changes now nearly daily, Toronto was expected to come back online on 12/10 but this has been delayed now even though they are very eager to restart the route.

Thanks for that. Nothing is certain these days until closer to the time. Hopefully YYZ can resume earlier than Dec.

Avoation1091

SNNUS wrote: »

LHR, BOS and JFK not showing in EI schedules from SNN at all now.

LHR looks to be from 9/11.
JFK/BOS/ACE all from around mid Dec.

All subject to change and most likely wont see JFK/BOS back until March

goingnowhere

They keep moving the dates out. I wouldn't read anything into it

March 2021 is probably if/when SNN restarts from business

That said the timetable is a fishing operation, if the bookings start coming in then there is a chance.

cson

SNN is doing nothing until the US-EU travel ban is lifted.

Jack1985

cson wrote: »

SNN is doing nothing until the US-EU travel ban is lifted.

Certainly, as I referred to previously, I concur. I don't see anything heading Westbound until Mar 21 at the earliest, it may even drag out longer than that.

There is demand for a limited LHR schedule, lots of pharma cargo and it's a sector booming. Increases from DUB-LHR and ORK-LHR seem to be going ahead both in the booking engine and on live crew rosters from early Nov.

Jack1985

Aer Lingus mainline schedule effective 2nd November; subject to continual change.

In brackets are previous services per week during the same period in Winter 2019 and routes suspended are those that also operated during that period. - Summer seasonal routes not listed for comparison purposes. All flights operated by A320 unless stated otherwise.

DUBLIN DUB

Amsterdam AMS - 8pw (26pw)
Berlin BER - 4pw (10pw)
Birmingham BHX - 7pw (22pw)
Boston BOS - 7pw (14pw|A21N operates)
Brussels BRU - 5pw (14pw)
Chicago ORD - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Dusseldorf DUS - 4pw (14pw)
Hamburg HAM - 3pw (4pw)
Lanzarote ACE - 1pw (7pw)
London LHR - 26pw (70pw|A21N and A333 operate in addition to A320)
Malaga AGP - 2pw (11pw)
Manchester MAN - 9pw (24pw)
Milan LIN - 4pw (7pw)
Munich MUC - 4pw (10pw)
New York JFK - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Paris CDG - 8pw (28pw)
Rome FCO - 4pw (9pw)

Services suspended to (brace yourselves): Barcelona BCN, Bilbao BIO, Bordeaux BOD, Budapest BUD, Faro FAO, Frankfurt FRA, Geneva GVA, Gran Canaria LPA, Hartford BDL, Lisbon LIS, London LGW, Los Angeles LAX, Lyon LYS, Madrid MAD, Miami MIA, Milan MXP, Newark EWR, Orlando MCO, Philadelphia PHL, Prague PRG, San Francisco SFO, Santiago de Compostela SCQ, Seattle SEA, Tenerife TFS, Toulouse TLS, Toronto YYZ*, Venice VCE, Verona VRN, Vienna VIE, Washington IAD and Zurich ZRH

*Resumption mooted however now stalled on EU-Canadian travel relationship post 12/10.

BELFAST CITY BHD

London LHR - 18pw (21pw)

CORK ORK

Amsterdam AMS - 4pw (12pw)
London LHR - 9pw (28pw)

Services suspended to: Gran Canaria LPA, Lanzarote ACE, Lisbon LIS, Malaga AGP, Munich MUC, Paris CDG and Tenerife TFS

SHANNON SNN

Services suspended to: Boston BOS, Lanzarote ACE, London LHR* and New York JFK

*Possible resumption effective 09/11 however not yet confirmed.

California Dreamer

California Dreamer wrote: »

EIR deal out to tender. Behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-regional-contract-is-up-for-grabs-39571082.html

Aer Lingus has sought tenders to operate its regional service after the
current contract expires at the end of 2022, the Irish Independent has
learned.

Dublin-based Stobart Air currently holds the contract to operate Aer
Lingus Regional services. The decision by IAG-owned Aer Lingus to put
the service out to tender is certain to put pressure on the UK's Stobart
Group, which is currently engaged in talks to sell Stobart Air.

It's understood that Aer Lingus started the tender process within the
past couple of weeks.

Stock market-listed Stobart Group said in April that it was continuing
"positive dialogue" with Aer Lingus to "conclude a long-term franchise
extension" which would ensure that its Stobart Air business was put on a
"sound financial footing".

However, the following week, the then IAG chief executive Willie Walsh
said that no extension had yet been granted by Aer Lingus to Stobart Air
for the service and that a number of other parties had approached Aer
Lingus with a view to operating it.

IAG also owns British Airways, Iberia, Vueling and Level.

Stobart Group declined to comment yesterday. Aer Lingus had not provided
any response to queries at the time of going to print.

Stobart Group, which also owns London Southend Airport, has previously
said that the routes Stobart Air operates would be attractive to other
airlines if its contract with Aer Lingus is not renewed.

The Irish Independent revealed earlier this month that Stobart Group has
entered talks with aircraft lessor Falko, which owns Dublin-based
CityJet, to acquire Stobart Air. The value of such a deal will be
dependent on Stobart Air securing a contract for the Aer Lingus Regional
service beyond 2022.

"We can confirm that we are in early-stage discussions with a number of
parties including Falko Regional Aircraft regarding the potential sale
of Stobart Group's stake in Stobart Air and Propius," said Stobart Group
at the time.

Propius is an aircraft leasing vehicle.


"There can be no certainty that any transaction will be forthcoming or
whether acceptable terms will be agreed," Stobart Group added.

Stobart Group has significant financial liabilities connected to Stobart
Air and Propius.

In an internal Stobart Air memo earlier this year, its managing director
Andy Jolly said that Stobart Group had only prevented the Dublin-based
airline from falling into receivership in order to prevent the group
collapsing.

Stobart Group's chief executive Warwick Brady and its chief financial
officer will make a presentation to existing and potential investors on
Friday.

They're likely to face tough questions from shareholders who stumped up
£100m (€110m) for the group via an equity placing at 40p per share in
June. Stobart's shares were trading at just under 20p yesterday, giving
the group a market capitalisation of £123m.

Stobart Air has a fleet of 15 turboprop aircraft. Before the pandemic it
operated about two dozen routes from airports including Dublin and Cork.
Many of those services are not currently operational. However, the
airline recently launched six routes from Belfast City Airport to
destinations including Manchester, Edinburgh and Birmingham.

alentejo

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus mainline schedule effective 2nd November; subject to continual change.

In brackets are previous services per week during the same period in Winter 2019 and routes suspended are those that also operated during that period. - Summer seasonal routes not listed for comparison purposes. All flights operated by A320 unless stated otherwise.

DUBLIN DUB

Amsterdam AMS - 8pw (26pw)
Berlin BER - 4pw (10pw)
Birmingham BHX - 7pw (22pw)
Boston BOS - 7pw (14pw|A21N operates)
Brussels BRU - 5pw (14pw)
Chicago ORD - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Dusseldorf DUS - 4pw (14pw)
Hamburg HAM - 3pw (4pw)
Lanzarote ACE - 1pw (7pw)
London LHR - 26pw (70pw|A21N and A333 operate in addition to A320)
Malaga AGP - 2pw (11pw)
Manchester MAN - 9pw (24pw)
Milan LIN - 4pw (7pw)
Munich MUC - 4pw (10pw)
New York JFK - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Paris CDG - 8pw (28pw)
Rome FCO - 4pw (9pw)

Services suspended to (brace yourselves): Barcelona BCN, Bilbao BIO, Bordeaux BOD, Budapest BUD, Faro FAO, Frankfurt FRA, Geneva GVA, Gran Canaria LPA, Hartford BDL, Lisbon LIS, London LGW, Los Angeles LAX, Lyon LYS, Madrid MAD, Miami MIA, Milan MXP, Newark EWR, Orlando MCO, Philadelphia PHL, Prague PRG, San Francisco SFO, Santiago de Compostela SCQ, Seattle SEA, Tenerife TFS, Toulouse TLS, Toronto YYZ*, Venice VCE, Verona VRN, Vienna VIE, Washington IAD and Zurich ZRH

*Resumption mooted however now stalled on EU-Canadian travel relationship post 12/10.

BELFAST CITY BHD

London LHR - 18pw (21pw)

CORK ORK

Amsterdam AMS - 4pw (12pw)
London LHR - 9pw (28pw)

Services suspended to: Gran Canaria LPA, Lanzarote ACE, Lisbon LIS, Malaga AGP, Munich MUC, Paris CDG and Tenerife TFS

SHANNON SNN

Services suspended to: Boston BOS, Lanzarote ACE, London LHR* and New York JFK

*Possible resumption effective 09/11 however not yet confirmed.

Its like an Aer Lingus timetable from the early 70's!

OU812

Friend of mine was able to book flights SFO - DUB for Xmas (22nd Dec - 3 Jan) in July.

Now that the schedule has been released & SFO isn't on it, is it likely to be added at a later date as there'd be demand for the flights - He said the flight was quite full when selecting his seats.

NH2013

OU812 wrote: »

Friend of mine was able to book flights SFO - DUB for Xmas (22nd Dec - 3 Jan) in July.

Now that the schedule has been released & SFO isn't on it, is it likely to be added at a later date as there'd be demand for the flights - He said the flight was quite full when selecting his seats.

I'd imagine a 2 week block of flights will probably be put on certain routes over the Christmas period to cater for those travelling home.

Inquitus

OU812 wrote: »

Friend of mine was able to book flights SFO - DUB for Xmas (22nd Dec - 3 Jan) in July.

Now that the schedule has been released & SFO isn't on it, is it likely to be added at a later date as there'd be demand for the flights - He said the flight was quite full when selecting his seats.

Just to note we are still banned from travelling to the US if we don't have US Citizenship or a green card, as I understand it. There are a few very limited exceptions.

https://ie.usembassy.gov/us-travel-restrictions/

goingnowhere

One small bit of good news is global postal services are starting to resume. IE-US is resuming.

So possibly a few more pallets in the hold.

NH2013

goingnowhere wrote: »

One small bit of good news is global postal services are starting to resume. IE-US is resuming.

So possibly a few more pallets in the hold.

Had air-post services between the continents stopped? How long were parcels and letters taking to be delivered without airmail across the ocean?

donkey balls

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus mainline schedule effective 2nd November; subject to continual change.

In brackets are previous services per week during the same period in Winter 2019 and routes suspended are those that also operated during that period. - Summer seasonal routes not listed for comparison purposes. All flights operated by A320 unless stated otherwise.

DUBLIN DUB

Amsterdam AMS - 8pw (26pw)
Berlin BER - 4pw (10pw)
Birmingham BHX - 7pw (22pw)
Boston BOS - 7pw (14pw|A21N operates)
Brussels BRU - 5pw (14pw)
Chicago ORD - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Dusseldorf DUS - 4pw (14pw)
Hamburg HAM - 3pw (4pw)
Lanzarote ACE - 1pw (7pw)
London LHR - 26pw (70pw|A21N and A333 operate in addition to A320)
Malaga AGP - 2pw (11pw)
Manchester MAN - 9pw (24pw)
Milan LIN - 4pw (7pw)
Munich MUC - 4pw (10pw)
New York JFK - 7pw (14pw|A333 operates)
Paris CDG - 8pw (28pw)
Rome FCO - 4pw (9pw)

Services suspended to (brace yourselves): Barcelona BCN, Bilbao BIO, Bordeaux BOD, Budapest BUD, Faro FAO, Frankfurt FRA, Geneva GVA, Gran Canaria LPA, Hartford BDL, Lisbon LIS, London LGW, Los Angeles LAX, Lyon LYS, Madrid MAD, Miami MIA, Milan MXP, Newark EWR, Orlando MCO, Philadelphia PHL, Prague PRG, San Francisco SFO, Santiago de Compostela SCQ, Seattle SEA, Tenerife TFS, Toulouse TLS, Toronto YYZ*, Venice VCE, Verona VRN, Vienna VIE, Washington IAD and Zurich ZRH

*Resumption mooted however now stalled on EU-Canadian travel relationship post 12/10.

BELFAST CITY BHD

London LHR - 18pw (21pw)

CORK ORK

Amsterdam AMS - 4pw (12pw)
London LHR - 9pw (28pw)

Services suspended to: Gran Canaria LPA, Lanzarote ACE, Lisbon LIS, Malaga AGP, Munich MUC, Paris CDG and Tenerife TFS

SHANNON SNN

Services suspended to: Boston BOS, Lanzarote ACE, London LHR* and New York JFK

*Possible resumption effective 09/11 however not yet confirmed.

Jaysus that's some cuts in flights especially to the Canary Islands from all three airports, Quick question if they are only going operate 1 pw to ACE ex DUBwhat day would it be ?

Lustrum

NH2013 wrote: »

Had air-post services between the continents stopped? How long were parcels and letters taking to be delivered without airmail across the ocean?

I got something sent from Toronto to Dublin, took 96 days over the summer!

3d4life

alentejo wrote: »

Its like an Aer Lingus timetable from the early 70's!

That might not be such a bad idea...

Major European route was Dublin - Paris - Zurich - Rome ( overnight ) then retrace

Think it was twice a week. Looked after traffic to the Vatican ( maybe not so important these days )

Pity they wouldnt do something like DUB - ACE - TFS - DUB

theguzman

Could Aer Lingus get fifth freedoms on say DUB-JFK-LAX or SFO?