At least he speaks the truth

Slanty

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

Trump says what everyone is thinking. Maybe not in the most political way or best worded. However he has a point.

China should pay for this but the only person who is willing accept this is him.

endacl

Trump talks bollocks. And then contradicts himself. Usually in the same speech. Often in the same breath.

Upforthematch

Just for the record he's not saying what I'm thinking!

LaFuton

im thinking about marzipan...
how it gave me everything
and took my life away...

Arghus

Trump talks crap.

Moghead

Does he still snort Adderall?

Junkyard Tom

Trump is going to have a the deaths of tens-of-thousands of Americans recorded on his watch and the moron won't be able to get debt restructuring on those lives.

jaxxx

Slanty wrote: »

Bit harsh.
He is the conversation that you and your mates have. The one that you bounce idea back and forth but it’s him who comes out and says it.

He talks a load of ****e but when he speaks you believe him. He doesn’t sugar coat it. What you see is what you get.

I don't know what sort of sh*t you're smoking, but could you get me some? I could do with a pick-me-up.

nthclare

Trump is an absolute genius he has people loving him and hating him.

Personally he doesn't trigger me in the slightest as he's done nothing personal to me, apart from trying to close the surfer's entrance in Doughmore, that's about it.

Anyone who gets triggered by Trump has some serious mental and cognitive impairment.

People call him name's etc and call themselves liberals and as for the social justice warriors and the perpetually offended well they're about as confused as 7 gold fish in a cold spin in a washing machine.

I think there was a bunch of SJW wiccans who tried to put a spell on him only for it to back fire for feck sake , anyone who's playing with magic and trying to get a positive effect from a negative action is trying to blow out a camping lantern with a mouth full of petrol.

Irish people getting offended by Trump, for the love of Macha and her horse's and crow's...

Urethral Buttercup

I have a thread I posted in Current Affairs by mistake and OP posted this in After Hours by mistake so maybe they could be switched?

Moghead

nthclare wrote: »

Trump is an absolute genius he has people loving him and hating him.

Personally he doesn't trigger me in the slightest as he's done nothing personal to me, apart from trying to close the surfer's entrance in Doughmore, that's about it.

Anyone who gets triggered by Trump has some serious mental and cognitive impairment.

People call him name's etc and call themselves liberals and as for the social justice warriors and the perpetually offended well they're about as confused as 7 gold fish in a cold spin in a washing machine.

I think there was a bunch of SJW wiccans who tried to put a spell on him only for it to back fire for feck sake , anyone who's playing with magic and trying to get a positive effect from a negative action is trying to blow out a camping lantern with a mouth full of petrol.

Irish people getting offended by Trump, for the love of Macha and her horse's and crow's...

Irish people who constantly defend him are an awful dose too.

nthclare

Moghead wrote: »

Irish people who constantly defend him are an awful dose too.

I know I do neither, I know all about his narcissism and gaslighting, walking contradictory lifestyle etc

But there's no point in getting offended for others or joining the trump witch burning sensationlism cult, or joining the doom Goblin Gretta's Cult, both two sides of the one coin in my book...

Slanty

Slanty wrote: »

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

He hasn't got the foggiest inclination "what it is". Only interested in the blame game. Everybody's fault but his.

Bigger problems to face in Ireland than paying heed to a gargantuan clown across the pond.

nthclare

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He hasn't got the foggiest inclination "what it is". Only interested in the blame game. Everybody's fault but his.

Bigger problems to face in Ireland than paying heed to a gargantuan clown across the pond.

Absolutely

He's not our responsibility only his own

auspicious

He says what he thinks his followers want to hear. Imo he thinks firstly about the economy as per his legacy only. It's a soap opera. We see more of the U.S. president on news feeds
than we do our own E.U leaders.

Tell me how

nthclare wrote: »

Trump is an absolute genius he has people loving him and hating him.

Personally he doesn't trigger me in the slightest as he's done nothing personal to me, apart from trying to close the surfer's entrance in Doughmore, that's about it.

Anyone who gets triggered by Trump has some serious mental and cognitive impairment.

People call him name's etc and call themselves liberals and as for the social justice warriors and the perpetually offended well they're about as confused as 7 gold fish in a cold spin in a washing machine.

I think there was a bunch of SJW wiccans who tried to put a spell on him only for it to back fire for feck sake , anyone who's playing with magic and trying to get a positive effect from a negative action is trying to blow out a camping lantern with a mouth full of petrol.

Irish people getting offended by Trump, for the love of Macha and her horse's and crow's...

At this point, anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Trump I believe is deliberately doing so for one of 3 reasons.
They are playing their own game.
They lack a sense of moral quality.
They lack the intelligence to understand what is going on.

He is every bit as bad as some suggested he would be before he became President.
He has demonstrably lied more than any US President in history.

kowloon

Slanty wrote: »

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

Trump says what everyone is thinking. Maybe not in the most political way or best worded. However he has a point.

China should pay for this but the only person who is willing accept this is him.

He has to have some sort of record for lying

Ultrflat

Slanty wrote: »

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

Trump says what everyone is thinking. Maybe not in the most political way or best worded. However he has a point.

China should pay for this but the only person who is willing accept this is him.

When society can move so fast from country to country as quickly this kinda incident was bound to happen.

auspicious

He seems as much influenced by trending news topics as we the masses are. If he has clever advisers behind he's not listening to them and instead displays incompetence. He's hired and fired so often and is so much an ego maniac he hasn't a clue how to manage a country.
He's turned into a yes man in regards to the polls.

Mad_maxx

If any other leader said this whole thing was the fault of China, there would be no quarrel

Wanderer78

Slanty wrote:

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

He's a fcuking idiot, as thick as ****

Pablo Escobar

Mad_maxx wrote: »

If any other leader said this whole thing was the fault of China, there would be no quarrel

Show me another leader who's tried to push the blame? This was coming for months and up until mid March he dismissed it. How is that China's fault? I know as a nation we don't like to give ourselves much credit, but compare the US to Ireland. By global standards we've done a really good job. They've been an unmitigated disaster with the UK not too far behind.

Popeleo

I try and not let him annoy me any more.

Like many countries, the American people voted in a populist idiot and are facing the consequences now when they need proper leadership.

Mad_maxx

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Show me another leader who's tried to push the blame? This was coming for months and up until mid March he dismissed it. How is that China's fault? I know as a nation we don't like to give ourselves much credit, but compare the US to Ireland. By global standards we've done a really good job. They've been an unmitigated disaster with the UK not too far behind.

China is to blame, trump merely points this fact out, other nations are perhaps fearful of stating this fact

Hannibal_Smith

Slanty wrote: »

We can all sit here and give out about him but at least he has the balls to come out and call it what it is.

Trump says what everyone is thinking. Maybe not in the most political way or best worded. However he has a point.

China should pay for this but the only person who is willing accept this is him.

He's US president. He's not talking to his buddies in the pub and he certainly shouldn't act like he is.

Pauliedragon

Mad_maxx wrote: »

China is to blame, trump merely points this fact out, other nations are perhaps fearful of stating this fact

The Aussies and the Brits are making noises too from politicians talking about suing China. Doubt it will happen though. As if China would pay up anyway if some court says they have to.

Huntergonzo

I know/care very little about Donald Trump, before he became president he was just a name to me.

But I have to admit, he is quite entertaining, and the way he annoyed (and continues to annoy) all the lefty 'progressives' over there who went out to celebrate Clinton's elections as president was hilarious.

But entertainment aside, nobody foreseen the worst global pandemic in a 100 years and Trump is not the type of person you want at the helm in a crisis.

But he was democractically elected (even though the electoral college system is rudiculous), it was their choice abd they're stuck with him now.

Wanderer78

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I know/care very little about Donald Trump, before he became president he was just a name to me.

But I have to admit, he is quite entertaining, and the way he annoyed (and continues to annoy) all the lefty 'progressives' over there who went out to celebrate Clinton's elections as president was hilarious.

But entertainment aside, nobody foreseen the worst global pandemic in a 100 years and Trump is not the type of person you want at the helm in a crisis.

But he was democractically elected (even though the electoral college system is rudiculous), it was their choice abd they're stuck with him now.

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahah
hahahahahaha

america, a democratic state!

hahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha

Huntergonzo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahah
hahahahahaha

america, a democratic state!

hahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha

Always good to start the weekend with a laugh eh :-)

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

China is to blame, trump merely points this fact out, other nations are perhaps fearful of stating this fact

God forbid that western countries take responsibility for their own failures. :rolleyes:

Trump represents the idiots who want to rant and demand things that are never going to be successful. Eventually... when everything goes pear shaped, they'll find someone else to blame.

The US has the largest intelligence services in the world (CIA/NSA/etc) and we're to accept that China managed to keep a virus of this type from them, considering the way Chinese people use social media? Meh.

Trump is a temper tantrum child... just like his supporters... and the people so quick to level blame are equally as bad.

Silentcorner

For a start there are a few things we should bear in mind....we Irish fawn all over Democratic Presidents in particular and their wives it has to be said....we turn up in the 100,000s to hear them tell us how great we are...so we are not exactly the most unbiased people....

The American Political system has been contaminated by corporate lobbyists over the last few decades...the Bush's and Clintons have been the most obvious beneficiaries of this huge industry...in 2016...it was looking like a Bush / Clinton battle again...you can understand why ordinary Americans turned to a political novice like Trump.

This obsession with him is some sight to behold, how the f##k anyone in Ireland thinks they are in a position to be navel gazing at thick yanks is a mystery to me....the man does not take a wage...we pay our President €250,000 a year to shake people's hand, and we pay his personal secretary whom is extremely close to a further €50,000 ..... we have just returned FF to power, arguably one of the most corrupted political parties in Europe over the last few decades it was them or SF the political wing of a terrorist organisation...we are riddled with dysfunction in health, education, infrastructure.....

There are a few things I have come to admire about him, he has incredible energy for a man his age, he has incredible disdain for the media industry, and he is right to...he also has some sense of humour....

He has had everything thrown at him, false rape accusations, impeachment, Russian collusion, fascism (this is the biggest joke of them all, Americans hate big government, they are the polar opposite of fascists)...racism, misogyny, homophobia....etc etc....

After that, I have no idea how competent or incompetent he is, I'd imagine he falls somewhere along the middle like the rest of the presidents....I'll leave that up to ordinary Americans to decide....

But to those people who believe that he has been a complete disaster for every month of his 3 and a half year presidency would want to take a serious look at themselves...you have been duped by a media industry that most people no longer are influenced by....

We don't like ordinary Americans or Brits for that matter it seems based on how they vote, because they don't do as they are told....we are incredible subservient to power....we can't understand people who aren't!!!

Agricola

Was gas when he came out with the idea of blaming the WHO. That's been his strategy all his life, he needs an enemy, someone else must be to blame for his own failures. He used this time and again in his "business" career and now he making use of it in politics.

I think it'll work too. In the past his performance on the pandemic would have sunk his re-election hopes, but now I can see him turning every little improvement in the situation at state level into a personal victory and by the end of the year he'll be living in that US army bomber jacket and pretending he's Eisenhower. There are enough mouth breathers in America to be suckered again.

Wanderer78

Agricola wrote: »

Was gas when he came out with the idea of blaming the WHO. That's been his strategy all his life, he needs an enemy, someone else must be to blame for his own failures. He used this time and again in his "business" career and now he making use of it in politics.

I think it'll work too. In the past his performance on the pandemic would have sunk his re-election hopes, but now I can see him turning every little improvement in the situation at state level into a personal victory and by the end of the year he'll be living in that US army bomber jacket and pretending he's Eisenhower. There are enough mouth breathers in America to be suckered again.

oh id say hes gonna be reelected alright, poor americans

mouldybiscuits

Silentcorner wrote: »

For a start there are a few things we should bear in mind....we Irish fawn all over Democratic Presidents in particular and their wives it has to be said....we turn up in the 100,000s to hear them tell us how great we are...so we are not exactly the most unbiased people....

The American Political system has been contaminated by corporate lobbyists over the last few decades...the Bush's and Clintons have been the most obvious beneficiaries of this huge industry...in 2016...it was looking like a Bush / Clinton battle again...you can understand why ordinary Americans turned to a political novice like Trump.

This obsession with him is some sight to behold, how the f##k anyone in Ireland thinks they are in a position to be navel gazing at thick yanks is a mystery to me....the man does not take a wage...we pay our President €250,000 a year to shake people's hand, and we pay his personal secretary whom is extremely close to a further €50,000 ..... we have just returned FF to power, arguably one of the most corrupted political parties in Europe over the last few decades it was them or SF the political wing of a terrorist organisation...we are riddled with dysfunction in health, education, infrastructure.....

There are a few things I have come to admire about him, he has incredible energy for a man his age, he has incredible disdain for the media industry, and he is right to...he also has some sense of humour....

He has had everything thrown at him, false rape accusations, impeachment, Russian collusion, fascism (this is the biggest joke of them all, Americans hate big government, they are the polar opposite of fascists)...racism, misogyny, homophobia....etc etc....

After that, I have no idea how competent or incompetent he is, I'd imagine he falls somewhere along the middle like the rest of the presidents....I'll leave that up to ordinary Americans to decide....

But to those people who believe that he has been a complete disaster for every month of his 3 and a half year presidency would want to take a serious look at themselves...you have been duped by a media industry that most people no longer are influenced by....

We don't like ordinary Americans or Brits for that matter it seems based on how they vote, because they don't do as they are told....we are incredible subservient to power....we can't understand people who aren't!!!

The thing about US politics is it doesn't even matter who is president, they all do the exact same things (economic sanctions on their economic rivals, oil wars in Middle East etc). There is such strong propaganda in American media (and Western media in general) that the public are never apalled at the actions of their government. Trump becoming president was perfect for the establishment. It has taken all of the attention away from the US governments actions which haven't changed one bit and instead has focused it on Trump's personality (racist, stupid, misogynistic, big ego etc). Irish people compare him to Obama and think 'oh he's a bad president he's not as intelligent or charismatic as Obama he must be bad' while literally nothing is different. American politics is run by corporations and mega billionaires. The president is just a figurehead that the public falsely think they can vote in and out to change things.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

At this point, anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Trump I believe is deliberately doing so for one of 3 reasons.
They are playing their own game.
They lack a sense of moral quality.
They lack the intelligence to understand what is going on.

He is every bit as bad as some suggested he would be before he became President.
He has demonstrably lied more than any US President in history.

Their is a 3rd option that noone.cares hugely

His actions,(same as most of internet outrage culture),deosnt affect me either way in my daily life


He is a pure clown like,id be mortified if he was irish....but most of world has long suspected your average american is a terrible person,he likely represents large amounts of em well

Silentcorner

Agricola wrote: »

Was gas when he came out with the idea of blaming the WHO. That's been his strategy all his life, he needs an enemy, someone else must be to blame for his own failures. He used this time and again in his "business" career and now he making use of it in politics.

I think it'll work too. In the past his performance on the pandemic would have sunk his re-election hopes, but now I can see him turning every little improvement in the situation at state level into a personal victory and by the end of the year he'll be living in that US army bomber jacket and pretending he's Eisenhower. There are enough mouth breathers in America to be suckered again.

We are in the middle of a global pandemic....we are all locked into our houses and for the last month...we can't afford the cost of this we need to borrow more money that has to be paid back in the future....we have devastated our economies...future generations have already been saddled with enough debt that bureaucrats have shoved our way in the past....

The WHO exists to prevent this from happening....it's leaders enjoy lifestyles billionaires can only afford....

What do we Irish do...we send more of that borrowed money we can't afford to the organisation whose job it was to prevent all this....

Harry Palmr

His core audience isn't educated to a sufficient level to realise that their dear leader might not be telling the truth all the time - or most of it in fact. You've got a population in the heartlands who have long since given up on engaging in an active inquisitive life and and now happy to be led by the nose as it's easier that way. These people are poor underachievers who have been told for generations they are of little worth other than consumers of cheap stuff. Donald Trump spoke to them in language they understood, which is why the man's own syntax is so child like at this point - go back 30 years and listen to him spout off - it's still mainly rubbish but it's coherent nonsense, he had a vocabulary back then.

The truth he speaks is of someone who neither knows or cares about anything beyond the speed limit signs on the edge of town.

Silentcorner

Harry Palmr wrote: »

His core audience isn't educated to a sufficient level to realise that their dear leader might not be telling the truth all the time - or most of it in fact. You've got a population in the heartlands who have long since given up on engaging in an active inquisitive life and and now happy to be led by the nose as it's easier that way. These people are poor underachievers who have been told for generations they are of little worth other than consumers of cheap stuff. Donald Trump spoke to them in language they understood, which is why the man's own syntax is so child like at this point - go back 30 years and listen to him spout off - it's still mainly rubbish but it's coherent nonsense, he had a vocabulary back then.

The truth he speaks is of someone who neither knows or cares about anything beyond the speed limit signs on the edge of town.

You see...I'd agree with that....if you also included Obama/Clinton and Bush supporters also....just because people have a degree doesn't make them smart...in fact, people who live closer to the poverty line are often smarter because they have to be...the don't have the safety nets others enjoy.

What has become very obvious to me over the last few years, is the complete snobbery middle class people are riddled with...the complete disdain they have for people from poorer area's has been an eye opener.

ToxicPaddy

Silentcorner wrote: »

The WHO exists to prevent this from happening....it's leaders enjoy lifestyles billionaires can only afford....

Dunno where you got that idea, the top job there earns about $250k a year. I'm sure they get expenses, travel etc but hardly the billionaire lifestyle.

As for Trump, he's a politician, he makes false promises, he lies about many things, he deflects blames when things go wrong and he tries to take credit for everything like any other politican. He's just not as good at it as others.

When you're a wealthy individual who was regularly involved in dubious business practices, surrounded yourself with yes men who never questioned you and is used to getting your own way in business, but is now being suddenly questioned about every decision, having people telling you no and under intense scrutiny for everything you say and do, the true character comes out. His just happens to do this and displays it for the whole world to see and record.

Whether we like it or not, his actions will impact pretty much everyone as the US has a huge influence globally and unfortunately we have to hear about it everyday.

Trump is like Brexit at this stage, people are so fed up with hearing about them both, I just tend to ignore 95% of articles about either now which is difficult as I'm an avid reader of news and publications that report on global issues and whatever is being discussed in the current news cycle :rolleyes:.

Huntergonzo

Harry Palmr wrote: »

His core audience isn't educated to a sufficient level to realise that their dear leader might not be telling the truth all the time - or most of it in fact. You've got a population in the heartlands who have long since given up on engaging in an active inquisitive life and and now happy to be led by the nose as it's easier that way. These people are poor underachievers who have been told for generations they are of little worth other than consumers of cheap stuff. Donald Trump spoke to them in language they understood, which is why the man's own syntax is so child like at this point - go back 30 years and listen to him spout off - it's still mainly rubbish but it's coherent nonsense, he had a vocabulary back then.

The truth he speaks is of someone who neither knows or cares about anything beyond the speed limit signs on the edge of town.

I think it's unfair to label his core supporters as poor underachievers, I'd imagine a lot of wealthy, successful people also voted for Trump.

Now there's many factors at play here but one of the primary factors was party politics, states by and large voted along party lines with Trump winning many of the swing states that were up for grabs.

Anyway no country is above party politics, don't forget that we shamefully elected Bob the Builder Ahern as Taoiseach a staggering 3 times in a row!

nthclare

Silentcorner wrote: »

You see...I'd agree with that....if you also included Obama/Clinton and Bush supporters also....just because people have a degree doesn't make them smart...in fact, people who live closer to the poverty line are often smarter because they have to be...the don't have the safety nets others enjoy.

What has become very obvious to me over the last few years, is the complete snobbery middle class people are riddled with...the complete disdain they have for people from poorer area's has been an eye opener.

Billy Connolly does a great sketch about the middle classes and how they're full of ****, I know a few and they're full of **** all validating each other.

The Volvo crowd he calls them.

He hit the nail on the head when he said the working classes such as guys doing ordinary jobs like farm labourers and factory workers and the super toffs like the tally ho ole chap s all get along with each other.
The old money type's treat their workers with the up most respect, and they're like part of the family, especially workers in country estates.

As for the middle classes they're always trying to be like the old money type's, and look down on the farm laborer and factory workers...
It's ironic really...

Because the upper classes laugh at the middle classes thinking they're a shower of knobs, working like animals and never quite making it,forever in debt, addiction problems and a high rate of divorce.

I actually love the upper classes and working class working people, they're more grounded and great fun to be around.

Middle classes are as boring as fck

Signore Fancy Pants

Slanty wrote: »

Bit harsh.
He is the conversation that you and your mates have. The one that you bounce idea back and forth but it’s him who comes out and says it.

He talks a load of ****e but when he speaks you believe him. He doesn’t sugar coat it. What you see is what you get.

LOL.

Wouldnt like to be living in your world. Using Trump as a barometer of truth.

Not all Trump voters are racist bigots, but all racist bigots are Trump voters imo.

The man lies, he lies about everything, his ego is so fragile that he can't be challenged without just shouting 'Fake'. He is using the scattergun approach to dissipate the blame that so roundly belongs on his own shoulders, and wanted emergency checks delayed so he can have his signature printed on them. Not just his name, his signature. He's a malignant narcissist who will put profit before human life every time because he doesn't identify with the people who vote for him, he uses them. He has nothing but contempt for them. If he ever thinks about them at all, it's as a means to an end and fodder for his ego.

biko

There's nothing like a good old Trump bashing at the weekend to get the blood flowing.

Kylta

It really doesn't matter what anybody thinks about Trump ( I like Orange man ). Everybody is wrong and his right, forget all the contradictions and the bolloxology, because he just contradict his contradictions. Unfortunately for the world. I blame the moronic american citizens who voted him in. Lest no forget people this fu©ker is also sitting on a nuclear arsenal. He is that spoilt little brat. Gimme what I want or I'll press some buttons

Huntergonzo

Candie wrote: »

Not all Trump voters are racist bigots, but all racist bigots are Trump voters imo.

The man lies, he lies about everything, his ego is so fragile that he can't be challenged without just shouting 'Fake'. He is using the scattergun approach to dissipate the blame that so roundly belongs on his own shoulders, and wanted emergency checks delayed so he can have his signature printed on them. Not just his name, his signature. He's a malignant narcissist who will put profit before human life every time because he doesn't identify with the people who vote for him, he uses them. He has nothing but contempt for them. If he ever thinks about them at all, it's as a means to an end and fodder for his ego.

Haha in fairness that 'quote' of Trump is absolute bóllóx.

Now Trump probably does think that way (I suspect many politicians think do), but it's a good example of fake news.

nthclare

biko wrote: »

There's nothing like a good old Trump bashing at the weekend to get the blood flowing.

I think it's hilarious people getting all wound up by Trump, they're actually part of the cogs that empower him.

The best way to power a narcissistic person is to show them your distain and in the narcissistic personality they'll think the people who hate them are knobs anyhow, so the narcissist just looks at the hater's as fillers in society...

So the hater's are really shooting themselves in the foot.

Kylta

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Haha in fairness that 'quote' of Trump is absolute bóllóx.

Now Trump probably does think that way (I suspect many politicians think do), but it's a good example of fake news.

Is fake news to a particular person, news that a particular does not want to believe in. Basically like living in denial or this sh¡t ain't happening if I don't hear it or don't believe in it.

Huntergonzo

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Haha in fairness that 'quote' of Trump is absolute bóllóx.

Now Trump probably does think that way (I suspect many politicians think do), but it's a good example of fake news.

I know it's fake, it's quoted because it's an accurate reflection of how he sees his voters. He has pulled off an amazing feat, he's convinced some of the poorest and least educated people in the US that he, a billionaire, is all about their interests. And they believe him, the billionaire.

Huntergonzo

Kylta wrote: »

Is fake news to a particular person, news that a particular does not want to believe in. Basically like living in denial or this sh¡t ain't happening if I don't hear it or don't believe in it.

Well ye it's obviously fake news because he didn't say those words to people magazine and they didn't print that story.

Candie

Candie wrote: »

I know it's fake, it's quoted because it's an accurate reflection of how he sees his voters.

And you wonder why people vote for Trump in droves...