What happens next if it WAS created in a lab in Wuhan?

paddythere

Ok so I posted this in the Coronavirus thread and it got taken down and was told it should be posted here for some reason. What happens if the pentagon discovers the virus was created in Wuhan. With thousands of Americans dying everyday would this mean immediate nuclear war and world war 3?

I'm not saying I believe that it was created in Wuhan or anything but I am worried that there is certainly a POSSIBILITY that it WAS, and if that is discovered we are probably looking at all out war. Basically, we think things are bad now but it could get a whole lot worse if was in fact created in a lab..Anybody else feeling similarly?

selassie

China is turned into a nuclear wasteland, the US economy booms after they take back their manufacturing and Trump is elected president for life.

is_that_so

The weight of evidence suggests not, according to the US military.

https://www.newsweek.com/military-general-says-intelligence-remains-inconclusive-about-whether-coronavirus-came-lab-1497889

paw patrol

I defo think it was from the lab in Wuhan.

The idea that it came from a middle age style market down the road from a lab that contains these type of virus's is fanciful.

I'm not saying it was released on purpose more likely by accident. But anybody who laughs at the lab theory is a moron.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218817/State-Department-warned-2018-Wuhan-lab-cause-new-SARS-like-pandemic.html

if the great and good don't like the mail - the same story run in other media.

paddythere

is_that_so wrote: »

The weight of evidence suggests not, according to the US military.

https://www.newsweek.com/military-general-says-intelligence-remains-inconclusive-about-whether-coronavirus-came-lab-1497889

I agree from what I know about viruses generally. But we also have to reckon with the fact that the US may want a war regardless and this could be the perfect opportunity to get away with it. Especially if their economy really crashes, are they really gonna let their empire and dominant position waste away without a fight? I find it very hard to believe that all these nuclear weapons get developed by countries but never get used. One day, possibility very soon, nuclear war WILL break out.

Cheerful Spring2

Two Chinese university experts conducted a comprehensive analysis, in Jan and they found no horseshoe Bats got sold at the Chinese Wuhan Wet market. They interviewed 54 people who worked there. They differed with the Chinese authority that the virus origin was the Wet Market and their report was taken down. They were speculating it was a actually a bio weapon.
It does make sense if you look at the evidence. Genome sequencing has shown Covid-19- has 80 per genetic similarity to SARs crono-viruses found in Horseshoe Bats. There’s a 20 per cent missing link. Some scientists who prefer to not go there with the bio weapon explantation think there another unidentified animal that had the ( Horseshot bat virus) then passed into a human in a wet Market. They still have not found that missing link genetic sequence.

paddythere

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Two Chinese university experts conducted a comprehensive analysis, in Jan and they found no horseshoe Bats got sold at the Chinese Wuhan Wet market. They interviewed 54 people who worked there. They differed with the Chinese authority that the virus origin was the Wet Market and their report was taken down. They were speculating it was a actually a bio weapon.
It does make sense if you look at the evidence. Genome sequencing has shown Covid-19- has 80 per genetic similarity to SARs crono-viruses found in Horseshoe Bats. There’s a 20 per cent missing link. Some scientists who prefer to not go there with the bio weapon explantation think there another unidentified animal that had the ( Horseshot bat virus) then passed into a human in a wet Market. They still have not found that missing link genetic sequence.

You might be right. Have you seen this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltSd90GE2FQ

the purple tin

selassie wrote: »

China is turned into a nuclear wasteland, the US economy booms after they take back their manufacturing and Trump is elected president for life.

That's assuming US want their manufacturing back. The chinese didn't pinch all those jobs from America, the western tycoons closed US plants down and relocated them abroad. Their profits have soared and they don't care that America slowly gets turned into a ghost town.
If China becomes unavailable they will relocate to somewhere else in SE Asia or maybe India. The last thing the multinationals want is for those jobs to come back home and cut their bottom line to ribbons.

Cheerful Spring2

paddythere wrote: »

You might be right. Have you seen this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltSd90GE2FQ

Scary stuff. Making a virus to target a specific race of people! Of course its subtitled so hard to tell if that's the correct translation to what he said?

Hamsterchops

Curious that all those who have recovered & survived Covid-19 in hospital were not in possession of their mobile phones when recovering on their sickbed.

So maybe 5G phones are to blame for Covid deaths after all :cool:

Nah, I'm not being serious :-)

carolmon

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

This article from 2015 discusses the risk of research into a bat/sars like virus... worth a read


"An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks."

4068ac1elhodqr

One problem with the OP's theory is that it somewhat lazily relies upon AvB (one state vs another state).
Like all good movies, the bad men are usually a small group of borderless international billionaire types that have their own global agenda.

Accidental release is also a possibility, at one stage that lab had 500 or so bats for testing.
There were reports of occasional bites, scracthes or fluid release onto the workers.
Also any negative testing bats could easily have been disposed of at a wet market, pocket change for the local binman/porter etc.

The racial, genetic (inc blood types) and age factoring, indeed range of symptoms from barely a sneeze (or no symptoms), upto 5 day blue face is strange.
Had dismissed the early reports of ethnics having a bad time, but the US had a few recent reports of their Afro-Americo community having it much worse.

paddythere

Maxton Gray Traitor wrote: »

One problem with the OP's theory is that it somewhat lazily relies upon AvB (one state vs another state).
Like all good movies, the bad men are usually a small group of borderless international billionaire types that have their own global agenda.

Accidental release is also a possibility, at one stage that lab had 500 or so bats for testing.
There were reports of occasional bites, scracthes or fluid release onto the workers.
Also any negative testing bats could easily have been disposed of at a wet market, pocket change for the local binman/porter etc.

The racial, genetic (inc blood types) and age factoring, indeed range of symptoms from barely a sneeze (or no symptoms), upto 5 day blue face is strange.
Had dismissed the early reports of ethnics having a bad time, but the US had a few recent reports of their Afro-Americo community having it much worse.

Do you remember when the US invaded Afghanistan because they apparently believed Bin Laden had attacked them?

Same applies here, if its some Chinese businessmen then its still gonna be war

Beechwoodspark

I just hope that is not confirmed. I fear there would either be all out war or else a virus targeted at Chinese ppl would be released in mysterious circumstances. No good outcomes from this if it is ever confirmed.

Cheerful Spring2

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I just hope that is not confirmed. I fear there would either be all out war or else a virus targeted at Chinese ppl would be released in mysterious circumstances. No good outcomes from this if it is ever confirmed.

While all the news is about the virus. All this happened in last 24 to 48 hours.

-Russia test fired an anti-satellite missile (yesterday)
-Russian jet buzzes U.S. spy plane in Mediterranean (today)
-Iranian gun boats harass U.S. warships in Persian Gulf (current situation right now) North Korea fires cruise missiles into sea
China may have conducted a nuclear test (news out today wall street journal)

slavetothegrind

China will play for taiwan. US have the least amount of assets active there ever right now.

Iamabeliever

paddythere wrote: »

Ok so I posted this in the Coronavirus thread and it got taken down and was told it should be posted here for some reason. What happens if the pentagon discovers the virus was created in Wuhan. With thousands of Americans dying everyday would this mean immediate nuclear war and world war 3?

I'm not saying I believe that it was created in Wuhan or anything but I am worried that there is certainly a POSSIBILITY that it WAS, and if that is discovered we are probably looking at all out war. Basically, we think things are bad now but it could get a whole lot worse if was in fact created in a lab..Anybody else feeling similarly?

Something tells me your not far off -
The general public don't and won't know the full truth in this one.

Podge201

Queue China with a vaccine now in a few months.

Cheerful Spring2

Russian pilot did a Maverick and inverted the aircraft he was flying

https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1250539271909519360

olestoepoke

paddythere wrote: »

You might be right. Have you seen this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltSd90GE2FQ

Why are the comments disabled on the video? Most probably horse manure. Those guys are probably really talking about a football match. I doubt he's ebven a professor. Anyone speak Chinese here?

paddythere

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Something tells me your not far off -
The general public don't and won't know the full truth in this one.

Exactly. We wont know until we wake up one morning (hopefully that is) and find that Atom bombs have been dropped. Trump is a sociopath and would not think twice about destroying every last inch of China if he thought this was a biological weapon. Lets just hope nothing ever comes to light about those Wuhan labs or we are all in big trouble

paddythere

olestoepoke wrote: »

Why are the comments disabled on the video? Most probably horse manure. Those guys are probably really talking about a football match. I doubt he's ebven a professor. Anyone speak Chinese here?

comments are not disabled on it, its just a recently uploaded clip of an old clip and has no comments..As for the translation, I have no reason to believe its not right, most of what he is saying has been said by others

the purple tin

paddythere wrote: »

Exactly. We wont know until we wake up one morning (hopefully that is) and find that Atom bombs have been dropped. Trump is a sociopath and would not think twice about destroying every last inch of China if he thought this was a biological weapon. Lets just hope nothing ever comes to light about those Wuhan labs or we are all in big trouble

And the US wouldn't just stop with China, thay have nukes aimed at Russia, Iran, North Korea etc, if they are going to nuke one target they will have to do them all.
When Russia for instance gets the early warning that the US has just launched a load of ICBMs, they aren't going to just sit on their hands and wait to see where they are heading, they will fire off hundreds of their own missiles at America while they have the small window of opportunity to do it.
Hopefully it will never come to that.

sabat

paddythere wrote: »

Exactly. We wont know until we wake up one morning (hopefully that is) and find that Atom bombs have been dropped. Trump is a sociopath and would not think twice about destroying every last inch of China if he thought this was a biological weapon. Lets just hope nothing ever comes to light about those Wuhan labs or we are all in big trouble

There's zero chance of that order being followed-Trump is only nominally in charge of the military, and besides China has more than enough nukes to obliterate the US in retaliation. One of his Secret Service guys probably has instructions to take him out if he ever went that nuts.

olestoepoke

paddythere wrote: »

comments are not disabled on it, its just a recently uploaded clip of an old clip and has no comments..As for the translation, I have no reason to believe its not right, most of what he is saying has been said by others

Ok so it was on the internet in a foreign language so it must be true. Have you seen the clips from the Hitler movie where they put subtitles making fun of certain topics? It's really funny because they are speaking German and none of speak German but when you read the subtitles it's like they are actually saying what the subtitles say. Until I see that video translated by a credible source not some guy on the internet I'm calling bullsh*te on it, sorry.

paddythere

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ok so it was on the internet in a foreign language so it must be true. Have you seen the clips from the Hitler movie where they put subtitles making fun of certain topics? It's really funny because they are speaking German and none of speak German but when you read the subtitles it's like they are actually saying what the subtitles say. Until I see that video translated by a credible source not some guy on the internet I'm calling bullsh*te on it, sorry.

Why? You do know a lot of countries have biological weapons programs? Why would somebody stating the obvious about them have to be false?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I don’t believe it was man made BUT if it was created in a lab would that also mean they have a vaccine? Would they create a virus with no cure/vaccine knowing it will also effect their own country/people?

Cheerful Spring2

Fox News insisted last night their sources had picked up and heard a person working at the Wuhan facility got infected and then passed the pathogen into someone else. You can’t be believe them either though

Daily Mail got documents that implies there is a real link between the Wuhan 4 facility and Fort Detrick. 

The Daily Mail reported that it has uncovered documents showing that Anthony Fauci’s NIAID gave $3.7 million to scientists at the Wuhan Lab at the center of coronavirus leak scrutiny.
According to the British paper, “the federal grant funded experiments on bats from the caves where the virus is believed to have originated.”
Background: following the 2002-2003 SARS coronavirus outbreak, NIH funded a collaboration by Chinese scientists, US military virologists from the bioweapons lab at Fort Detrick & NIH scientists from NIAID to prevent future coronavirus outbreaks by studying the evolution of virulent strains from bats in human tissues.

12trackmind

paddythere wrote: »

But we also have to reckon with the fact that the US may want a war regardless and this could be the perfect opportunity to get away with it.

Agreed. Nothing more dangerous than an empire in decline.

LillySV

So more of the usual Americans and trump are bad guys ****e... as listed earlier , it’s Russia and a number of other countries that have been showing hostility to the US, not the other way around. They haven’t just shown hostility to the US, they have been buzzing our coastline and the Uk a lot recently ..... if they ever decided to take it further it will be the uk and the Us that will be most likely to save us! As regards Germany and the eu... they showed their true cloth recently when trying to decide on aid packages for the eu.... they couldn’t give a fuk about other European countries and have no intention of sharing any financial burden caused by the pandemic

Ps I don’t think that even if it was found that it leaked out of wuhan, it would lead to war... it would lead to a war of words and possible sanctions though .

I do also think that the west’s overall reliance on all manufacturing taking place in China might change after this

rtron

The Americans would need to create a virus that only targets Chinese people so that this does not happen again. If they made a virus that targets everyone like the Wuhan virus, they would end up targeting their own people.

paddythere

rtron wrote: »

The Americans would need to create a virus that only targets Chinese people so that this does not happen again. If they made a virus that targets everyone like the Wuhan virus, they would end up targeting their own people.

Yea so wouldnt it be easier to just use their nuclear weapons?

pjproby

AIDs was also alleged to have been started in a laboratory in the US. Never proven of course but never let that spoil a good conspiracy theory.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discredited_HIV/AIDS_origins_theories

rtron

paddythere wrote: »

Yea so wouldnt it be easier to just use their nuclear weapons?

Nuclear weapons aren't as socialably acceptable as virus bio weapons these days. I'd say it would be handier to create a virus after the US finish their investigations and learn how to do it from their reports.

olestoepoke

paddythere wrote: »

Why? You do know a lot of countries have biological weapons programs? Why would somebody stating the obvious about them have to be false?

I'm not doubting that anyone has biological weapons. I'm calling that video nonsense. Do you speak Chinese? Have you a Chinese friend that has translated it for you? But because there are English subtitles you believe what they are saying? I am an evidence type of person and that just nonsense sorry.

McGiver

The virus is not synthetic. Covid-19 mechanism is rather novel and no person could have created it - no one could make this up. Synthetic virus would almost definitely be an analogue of other viruses. This virus is brilliant in design and novelty. This is a strong evidence of natural design, by natural selection and evolution. This is the verdict of the expert virologists.

It's a total nonsense to claim it was manufactured.

<<snip>>

Cheerful Spring2

McGiver wrote: »

The virus is not synthetic. Covid-19 mechanism is rather novel and no person could have created it - no one could make this up. Synthetic virus would almost definitely be an analogue of other viruses. This virus is brilliant in design and novelty. This is a strong evidence of natural design, by natural selection and evolution. This is the verdict of the expert virologists.

It's a total nonsense to claim it was manufactured.

Take a look at what you said there.
You don’t dismiss the virus came from a lab, but there can’t be anyway a known Bat pathogen was tinkered with?

Ipso

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Take a look at what you said there.
You don’t dismiss the virus came from a lab, but there can’t be anyway a known Bat pathogen was tinkered with?

You're asking him to disprove speculative fiction.

JJayoo

The Bio weapon theory is beyond stupid, how exactly would crippling the economies of the west aid china? China rely on the west buying its products and it's economy has been thriving why in god's name would you shoot yourself in the foot.

Also there would be no way to protect your allies, Russia, or your own country.


The virus being coming from animals that were tested on is more plausible. They would have a lot of animals used in experiments that would be destined for destruction and prehaps an employee decided he could instead take some and sell them at the wet market to make some extra cash.

But wet markets are incredibly dangerous and have been identified for decades as potential sources of viruses.

Cheerful Spring2

JJayoo wrote: »

The Bio weapon theory is beyond stupid, how exactly would crippling the economies of the west aid china? China rely on the west buying its products and it's economy has been thriving why in god's name would you shoot yourself in the foot.

Also there would be no way to protect your allies, Russia, or your own country.


The virus being coming from animals that were tested on is more plausible. They would have a lot of animals used in experiments that would be destined for destruction and prehaps an employee decided he could instead take some and sell them at the wet market to make some extra cash.

But wet markets are incredibly dangerous and have been identified for decades as potential sources of viruses.

NIH funded a collaboration by Chinese scientists, US military virologists from the bioweapons lab at Fort Detrick & NIH scientists from NIAID to prevent future coronavirus outbreaks by studying the evolution of virulent strains from bats in human tissues.


Potential there for covert espionage. I not fully convinced yet the outbreak began in Wuhan. There lot of problems with the timeline and reported mystery flu like illness in America late summer months.

Cheerful Spring2

Alleged America only knew in Feb 2020, bull****.

There some new narratives now coming out about when the Western intelligence services first noticed the spread.

"US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.
Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

When did it all start then, timing strange? This wuhan outbreak supposedly began in Nov but was just one case?

JJayoo

From the same link...tho apparently The Daily Taliban reports that it was caused by Bill Gates wiping from back to front.

"Colonel Shane Day, the NCMI director, denied last week that any such report existed. “As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters,” he said. “However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.”

BarryD2

Dunno about nuclear war but high probability of a Cold War, an economic war with China. Big rethink. Going to be consequences one way or another.

Alternative is some new world order that openly co-operates and how likely is that?

Still waters

We're through the looking glass here people

FVP3

LillySV wrote: »

So more of the usual Americans and trump are bad guys ****e... as listed earlier , it’s Russia and a number of other countries that have been showing hostility to the US, not the other way around. They haven’t just shown hostility to the US, they have been buzzing our coastline and the Uk a lot recently ..... if they ever decided to take it further it will be the uk and the Us that will be most likely to save us! As regards Germany and the eu...

Thats hilarious. The US is at war with about 7 or 8 countries right now, its population is trained to hate the Russians, or China, or Syria, or Libya, or Iran, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Venezuela or any country that stands up to the empire. Not that any of them can find it on a map. They also hate Europeans in general.

The Russian interference in the US election is nonsense, on the other hand the US quite deliberately interferes everywhere. One of the most recent examples is Venezuela where the clearly unelected Guaido is their man. Just recently they stole central bank money (which was held on account in citibank) and transferred it to the personal account of Guaido. Just think about that for a moment, raiding a private bank to get the funds of a country to transfer to your guy to impose him on a different country. The Us "left" is full on with this too, the day after the clown show where she tore up Trump's speech, Nancy Pelosi met with Guaido.

Imperialism is bred in the American bone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRh2JeliY2w

FVP3

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Potential there for covert espionage. I not fully convinced yet the outbreak began in Wuhan. There lot of problems with the timeline and reported mystery flu like illness in America late summer months.

I don't believe this disease has any evidence of being lab based, or deliberate. If it was true that it were lab based I'd more likely believe the US did it, but I don't so I don't.

storker

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ok so it was on the internet in a foreign language so it must be true. Have you seen the clips from the Hitler movie where they put subtitles making fun of certain topics? It's really funny because they are speaking German and none of speak German but when you read the subtitles it's like they are actually saying what the subtitles say. Until I see that video translated by a credible source not some guy on the internet I'm calling bullsh*te on it, sorry.

Even if the translation as accurate, he was talking in generalities. The video isn't evidence of anything.

olestoepoke

storker wrote: »

Even if the translation as accurate, he was talking in generalities. The video isn't evidence of anything.

Then why post the video? He uses the video to back up the argument, don't be silly.

paddythere

olestoepoke wrote: »

Then why post the video? He uses the video to back up the argument, don't be silly.

No I didnt. I posted it because I thought it was interesting to hear someone talk like that openly. It doesnt back up the argument as far as i'm concerned.

olestoepoke

paddythere wrote: »

No I didnt. I posted it because I thought it was interesting to hear someone talk like that openly. It doesnt back up the argument as far as i'm concerned.

Talk openly about what? The could've been arguing about the price of noodles for all we know.

paddythere

olestoepoke wrote: »

Talk openly about what? The coulee been arguing about the price of noodles for all we know.

I see no reason not to believe thats whats being said since the kinda stuff being said is common knowledge among micro scientists and virologists