The decline of the Journal.ie

coinop

Am I an asshole for welcoming the decline of the Journal.ie? Their entertainment/comedy section The Daily Edge was discontinued a few months ago and now their business section fora.ie has been shuttered. The Journal itself seems to be now desperately soliciting submissions from the public in an attempt to keep the cog wheels turning (but they won't pay you of course).

The turnover of journalists seemed to be very high. There were new faces under the articles every month so I can only imagine what a hellish work culture existed in the office. I use the term "journalists" loosely of course as they most likely hired kids fresh out of college with a 2:2 in their communications studies degree. No actual journalist worth their salt would degrade themselves by signing on with a click bait site.

No actual journalism seemed to take place either. They specialised in churning out listicles (top 10 crisp brands in Ireland!!!) or regurgitating press releases that popped up in their email inbox.

And I won't even mention the utterly toxic comments sections that was the real bread and butter of the site...

Will you miss the Journal?

Woke Hogan

Don't slag off crisps, the low blood sugar brigade around here will bite your head off.

Rodney Bathgate

I see it mentioned on here occasionally but other than that I never hear about it ‘in real life’ and have never visited the site (except just now).

killbillvol2

You seem remarkably familiar with its content.

Montage of Feck

What's wrong with a 2:2?

Rodney Bathgate

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't slag off crisps, the low blood sugar brigade around here will bite your head off.

You had to go there.

Dr. Bre

It was never good to begin with

Beechwoodspark

I read the journal regularly and it’s a good news source for my needs

Rodney Bathgate

Montage of Feck wrote: »

What's wrong with a 2:2?

The fecker probably scraped a pass and is jealous of the big shots with their 2.2’s.

Harry Palmr

It was never anything other than utter scutter, I can only think that the btl comments are mainly from banned boards accounts.

magic_murph

coinop wrote: »

Am I an asshole for welcoming the decline of the Journal.ie? Their entertainment/comedy section The Daily Edge was discontinued a few months ago and now their business section fora.ie has been shuttered. The Journal itself seems to be now desperately soliciting submissions from the public in an attempt to keep the cog wheels turning (but they won't pay you of course).

The turnover of journalists seemed to be very high. There were new faces under the articles every month so I can only imagine what a hellish work culture existed in the office. I use the term "journalists" loosely of course as they most likely hired kids fresh out of college with a 2:2 in their communications studies degree. No actual journalist worth their salt would degrade themselves by signing on with a click bait site.

No actual journalism seemed to take place either. They specialised in churning out listicles (top 10 crisp brands in Ireland!!!) or regurgitating press releases that popped up in their email inbox.

And I won't even mention the utterly toxic comments sections that was the real bread and butter of the site...

Will you miss the Journal?

The comments section alone should have closed this crap down years ago

Don't think Fora ever took off, or that the Daily Edge was ever looked at in isolation from the Journal.

I used to dislike it, but mostly for the commenters, and a lot of the articles had a very unobjective slant. But I think it has been a lot better the last couple of years, which might be down to the editor Sinead O'Carroll (?).

Clegg

The 42 is a part of the organisation and I'll be sad to see them go. They've done some brilliant analysis pieces on rugby and their podcasts are a great listen.

JohnnyFlash

People don't want to pay for journalism, so you get sites like The Journal. It isn't even a particularly bad example of clickbait journalism. They have a couple of decent hacks working for them. Be a shame to see it go.

It really cannot be underestimated how much damage Google and Facebook have done to civil discourse, the media, and investigative journalism.

silverharp

I always found it a soulless, copy paste outfit

JohnnyFlash

Clegg wrote: »

The 42 is a part of the organisation and I'll be sad to see them go. They've done some brilliant analysis pieces on rugby and their podcasts are a great listen.

They did top class analysis on a Monday of GAA games.

coinop

Typical Journal.ie commentator:
Don't ever read the article, just the headline. Get outraged. Get into a never-ending back and forth with a fellow dole-lifer that nobody else will ever read. Repeat with every single article on the site. Fake twitter profile is obligatory. It wouldn't surprise me if the rumours were true and that the biggest troll accounts were run by the Journal staff to stir the pot and generate clicks.

Agent Coulson

Hat tip for stealing your work and using it in our site.

Beechwoodspark

Clegg wrote: »

The 42 is a part of the organisation and I'll be sad to see them go. They've done some brilliant analysis pieces on rugby and their podcasts are a great listen.

“Murray the K” Kinsella does some great analysis

Jurgen Klopp

coinop wrote: »

Typical Journal.ie commentator:
Don't ever read the article, just the headline. Get outraged. Get into a never-ending back and forth with a fellow dole-lifer that nobody else will ever read. Repeat with every single article on the site. Fake twitter profile is obligatory. It wouldn't surprise me if the rumours were true and that the biggest troll accounts were run by the Journal staff to stir the pot and generate clicks.

It's not the only one of distilled properties that has the staff troll for clicks and views

Blaze420

For most news it’s ok as a generic “oh this happened today?” resource. For opinions or anything else it’s pointless, a feminist one sided rag. Just like their section The Daily Edge a few years back, snowflake college literary students given a platform to ply their woe is me I am wahmen ****e on the masses.

magic_murph

magic_murph wrote: »

The comments section alone should have closed this crap down years ago

The comment section is the only thing that has kept it going.

drake70

Idbatterim

Was banned from commenting, haven't used it since, funny I was banned , when often the comments I made , would get the most amount of likes. Like rte etc , they don't want any debate, it's their PC wont someone think of the children way or the highway!

greenfield21

Surely they are taking a big hit with reduced ad revenue because of c19, I can't imagine a subscription model would work for them. This could be the end.

Blaze420

Blaze420 wrote: »

For most news it’s ok as a generic “oh this happened today?” resource. For opinions or anything else it’s pointless, a feminist one sided rag. Just like their section The Daily Edge a few years back, snowflake college literary students given a platform to ply their woe is me I am wahmen ****e on the masses.

dont forget the numerous articles of people were "outraged" by (insert tv show/movie/sjw crusade etc) and they throw up 3 tweets on the so called "outrage"

Where will Matt Cooper get his "contributors" from now

Silly Gilly

Eh, do you guys realise that this site is part of the same group? I would imagine the Journal is more profitable than boards so if the Journal fails...

Del2005

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

People don't want to pay for journalism, so you get sites like The Journal. It isn't even a particularly bad example of clickbait journalism. They have a couple of decent hacks working for them. Be a shame to see it go.

It really cannot be underestimated how much damage Google and Facebook have done to civil discourse, the media, and investigative journalism.

People still pay for the Indo and other papers and they spout as much crap as the Journal.

Just like the music industry and many others that have been decimated by the spread of the internet journalism needs to modernise or it'll die.

coastwatch

Decline? Was it ever up?

coinop

Blaze420 wrote: »

For most news it’s ok as a generic “oh this happened today?” resource. For opinions or anything else it’s pointless, a feminist one sided rag. Just like their section The Daily Edge a few years back, snowflake college literary students given a platform to ply their woe is me I am wahmen ****e on the masses.

This article was the epitome of the Journal's holier-than-thou PC preaching shtick for me. You're not allowed to enjoy anything. Everything is racist and offends me https://www.dailyedge.ie/dublin-hip-hop-duo-versatiles-racist-lyrics-4262511-Oct2018/

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was banned from commenting, haven't used it since, funny I was banned , when often the comments I made , would get the most amount of likes. Like rte etc , they don't want any debate, it's their PC wont someone think of the children way or the highway!

Now you have to tell us what the comment was that got you banned :P

rizzodun

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

The fecker probably scraped a pass and is jealous of the big shots with their 2.2’s.

Did you know what they called the the doctor who barely scraped a pass on this final exams?

Doctor.

Nollog

Don't they own boards?

drake70

/\/ollog wrote: »

Don't they own boards?

Same group. Scroll down to the very bottom of this page.

Idbatterim

coinop wrote: »

This article was the epitome of the Journal's holier-than-thou PC preaching shtick for me. You're not allowed to enjoy anything. Everything is racist and offends me https://www.dailyedge.ie/dublin-hip-hop-duo-versatiles-racist-lyrics-4262511-Oct2018/



Now you have to tell us what the comment was that got you banned :P

Calling miggled Higgins the hobbit one too many times , during the run up to the presidential elections !
In fairness it was just the straw that broke the camels back

Let's just say I have my suspicions that Margaret cash is running the journal show!

Sheep Shagger

/\/ollog wrote: »

Don't they own boards?

Thought they were one and the same but seems Journal Media own the Journal, Daft ie and Adverts.

Distilled Media owns boards

Could be wrong.

Never been a big reader of the journal, some good journalists started there though (Gavin Reilly).

Thought fora.ie was quite good actually.

enricoh

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was banned from commenting, haven't used it since, funny I was banned , when often the comments I made , would get the most amount of likes. Like rte etc , they don't want any debate, it's their PC wont someone think of the children way or the highway!

I often wondered did they get paid for every article they did on the horrors of direct provision. Definitely pushing an agenda. Never bothered to sign up for commenting but dissenting comments seemed to have a short shelf life!
The 42 is/ was decent for sport.

enricoh

enricoh wrote: »

I often wondered did they get paid for every article they did on the horrors of direct provision. Definitely pushing an agenda. Never bothered to sign up for commenting but dissenting comments seemed to have a short shelf life!
The 42 is/ was decent for sport.

They had good articles on the league of Ireland tbf and a weekly chat with a popular player in the 80s or 90s

Sheep Shagger

Looks like fora.ie stories will be covered by the journal....

https://fora.ie/farewell-fora-5070811-Apr2020/

KiKi III

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was banned from commenting, haven't used it since, funny I was banned , when often the comments I made , would get the most amount of likes. Like rte etc , they don't want any debate, it's their PC wont someone think of the children way or the highway!

And suddenly out of nowhere, my respect for the Journal grew.

OP, on your original question “Am I am asshole?” I think relishing in any business failing and job losses doesn’t say great things about you as a person.

42 and the Fora are excellent imo, for free news sites. Sorry for the people who are in risk of losing their jobs tbh.

brightspark

G O'Doherty seems happy that the Journal.ie is in trouble, perhaps that is reason enough to support it!

Silly Gilly

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Thought they were one and the same but seems Journal Media own the Journal, Daft ie and Adverts.

Distilled Media owns boards

Could be wrong.

Never been a big reader of the journal, some good journalists started there though (Gavin Reilly).

Thought fora.ie was quite good actually.

Not according to boards terms...

https://www.boards.ie/content/terms

Boards.ie is owned and operated by Journal Media Limited

The One Doctor

The hacks from Journal.ie grub up a lot of their 'stories' straight from Boards itself. A number of them post on Boards to see who they can wind up to create another article.

A bunch of ****.

Anyway, journalists should be taxed at 110%. Columnists should be taxed at 900%.

Boards and Journal.ie deserve each other.

Steve

Ah, the journal comments section, where the people banned from boards go...

Long may it continue, we don't want them back, thanks.

Steve

Silly Gilly wrote: »

Not according to boards terms...

https://www.boards.ie/content/terms

That's outdated, no longer the case.

coinop

Idbatterim wrote: »

Calling miggled Higgins the hobbit one too many times , during the run up to the presidential elections !

Ha, fair play! For some reason Higgins is given special protection from criticism in this country. Remember the water protester who was brought into court and fined for calling him a "parasite midget"? President Trump gets called much, much worse on a daily basis without the bat of an eyelid. Makes me wonder why the media feel muzzled when it comes to Higgins. I've heard rumours about his "special relationship" with his driver Kevin...

KiKi III wrote: »

OP, on your original question “Am I am asshole?” I think relishing in any business failing and job losses doesn’t say great things about you as a person.

Galaxy-brain logic right there. We shouldn't relish in an organ harvesting factory in China closing because "muh job losses". Ethics? What are they?

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was banned from commenting, haven't used it since, funny I was banned , when often the comments I made , would get the most amount of likes. Like rte etc , they don't want any debate, it's their PC wont someone think of the children way or the highway!

Very agenda driven but if you were loved or hated and getting replies they let you stay. All good for the search engines.

I don't recall getting banned but my posts never show. Just as well, more fool me for getting involved

Fred Cryton

coinop wrote: »

Am I an asshole for welcoming the decline of the Journal.ie? Their entertainment/comedy section The Daily Edge was discontinued a few months ago and now their business section fora.ie has been shuttered. The Journal itself seems to be now desperately soliciting submissions from the public in an attempt to keep the cog wheels turning (but they won't pay you of course).

The turnover of journalists seemed to be very high. There were new faces under the articles every month so I can only imagine what a hellish work culture existed in the office. I use the term "journalists" loosely of course as they most likely hired kids fresh out of college with a 2:2 in their communications studies degree. No actual journalist worth their salt would degrade themselves by signing on with a click bait site.

No actual journalism seemed to take place either. They specialised in churning out listicles (top 10 crisp brands in Ireland!!!) or regurgitating press releases that popped up in their email inbox.

And I won't even mention the utterly toxic comments sections that was the real bread and butter of the site...

Will you miss the Journal?

Surprised SF HQ don't donate a few quid to keep that mouthpiece going.

Westernyelp

It's a tabloid site. Grand for headlines ****e for content.

coinop

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Surprised SF HQ don't donate a few quid to keep that mouthpiece going.

The Shinnerbot phenomenon is bizarre, isn't it? Judging from the online support of SF in comment sections and discussion boards across the web, you'd think they would win every election in a landslide. But we all know this isn't the case.

I believe Boards.ie even has a private Republican forum where Shinnerbots organize to raid certain threads and rig polls. It may have been closed in the past so I could be mistaken.

Silly Gilly

Steve wrote: »

That's outdated, no longer the case.

What is the current state of affairs then and would it be fair to say that it is the same core group of shareholders behind all these sites (boards, Journal, Adverts etc)?