Schools closed indefinitely. Reassign teachers?

WAW

Now that the primary schools are closed and unlikely to open before September what will the teachers be doing? I know that many of the secondary teachers are still working from home but couldn't the primary school teachers be reassigned to admin work in social welfare or HSE or some other public or civil service/ state agency that is very busy at the moment? I know teachers are public not civil servants but surely it could/should be done at this point.

s1ippy

WAW wrote: »

Now that the primary schools are closed and unlikely to open before September what will the teachers be doing? I know that many of the secondary teachers are still working from home but couldn't the primary school teachers be reassigned to ain work in social welfare or HSE or some other public or civil service/ state agency that is very busy at the moment? I know teachers are public not civil servants but surely it could/should be done at this point.

Primary teachers are already working remotely and have been for some time. They're providing support to parents and assigning, sending and marking work from students.

WAW

s1ippy wrote: »

Primary teachers are already working remotely and have been for some time. They're providing support to parents and assigning, sending and marking work from students.

Perhaps some are. I'd say it's very much ad hoc. There is no dept of ed policy on this. I know lots of primary teachers ( yes I know lots) who are not working from home. Some of setting work for the week if kids want to do it, that's the extent of it. And that's fine. The younger ones can easily catch up in time. I think the primary school kids should be left in peace apart from maybe the teaching initiative on TV but there is real pressure in other state services now so plenty teachers could easily be reassigned.

Jim_Hodge

You obviously have no idea of the work being done by teachers at all levels at the moment. They are spending long days preparing and uploading lessons, calling parents and students, and coming up with copious original ideas to facilitate, motivate, and council their students.

Edit, And it's far from random or ad hoc.

_Brian

WAW wrote: »

Now that the primary schools are closed and unlikely to open before September what will the teachers be doing? I know that many of the secondary teachers are still working from home but couldn't the primary school teachers be reassigned to admin work in social welfare or HSE or some other public or civil service/ state agency that is very busy at the moment? I know teachers are public not civil servants but surely it could/should be done at this point.

My daughters 5th class teacher sets work which we email on and she responds with it corrected. She’s doing her job as best the system allows.

WAW

WAW wrote: »

Now that the primary schools are closed and unlikely to open before September what will the teachers be doing? I know that many of the secondary teachers are still working from home but couldn't the primary school teachers be reassigned to admin work in social welfare or HSE or some other public or civil service/ state agency that is very busy at the moment? I know teachers are public not civil servants but surely it could/should be done at this point.

Do you just want to do it to put them at risk?

Anyway, won’t happen. You sound like you haven’t a clue what they’re doing already.

khalessi

WAW wrote: »

Perhaps some are. I'd say it's very much ad hoc. There is no dept of ed policy on this. I know lots of primary teachers ( yes I know lots) who are not working from home. Some of setting work for the week if kids want to do it, that's the extent of it. And that's fine. The younger ones can easily catch up in time. I think the primary school kids should be left in peace apart from maybe the teaching initiative on TV but there is real pressure in other state services now so plenty teachers could easily be reassigned.

I teach in a school of 70+ primary teachers and all are working from home. I am on google classroom, answering questions and emails, preparring work for my children and correcting their work. We actually have a job to do and if you are concerned about pressure in state services have you considered volunteering for reassignment?

cms88

Of course they won't sure they're overrun ''working from home'' the last few weeks...

Deeper Blue

A not-so-subtle teacher bashing thread? I'm shocked

Teachers are working, some people can't accept this for whatever reason.

khalessi

I was wondering will it be allowed run 50 or so pages before its decided that thats enough like the last one

cms88

cms88 wrote: »

Of course they won't sure they're overrun ''working from home'' the last few weeks...

I’d say they’re doing as much as anyone “working from home”.

ruwithme

Nah. leave them be op. can you imagine the rumpus lumping them in on top of clerical staff in the Civil service.

absolute mayhem

ruwithme

Nah. leave them be op. can you imagine the rumpus lumping them in on top of clerical staff in the Civil service.

absolute mayhem

ChikiChiki

Put a standardised programme of work in place for all teachers to work remotely. Apart from obvious reasons, I don't see a why some form of digitised assessments can't take place for this year's LC group.

WAW

I'm a parent myself. Teachers aren't calling our primary school kids. You can email if you need assistance. I don't know any of the parents genuinely who are on to the school for help. Maybe 5th and 6th class teachers.
Juniors and seniors teachers ( and 1st and 2nd) - seriously people, they are not working from home on school stuff nor is there any need for them too.
This isn't a let's get the teachers bashing thread at all. It's about proper use of available resources to assist stretched departments and a country heading into difficult economic times.

How would assigning teachers to admin duties from home putting them at risk?

khalessi

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Put a standardised programme of work in place for all teachers to work remotely. Apart from obvious reasons, I don't see a why some form of digitised assessments can't take place for this year's LC group.

THank you we already have a standardised programme referred to as the curriculum.

St Tropez Betty

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

Purple Mountain

Primary school parent here with child in senior class.
No teaching being done remotely or work being submitted.
Kids have a list to work through.. If they can.

Deeper Blue

WAW wrote: »

I'm a parent myself. Teachers aren't calling our primary school kids. You can email if you need assistance. I don't know any of the parents genuinely who are on to the school for help. Maybe 5th and 6th class teachers.
Juniors and seniors teachers ( and 1st and 2nd) - seriously people, they are not working from home on school stuff nor is there any need for them too.
This isn't a let's get the teachers bashing thread at all. It's about proper use of available resources to assist stretched departments and a country heading into difficult economic times.

How would assigning teachers to admin duties from home putting them at risk?

Why not assign the work you're talking about to people that aren't working at all? Why the teachers specifically?

cms88

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’d say they’re doing as much as anyone “working from home”.

A principal lives near me and when she was asked how was the home schooling etc going her answer was ''no they were wrecking my head'' but i'm sure she's flat out doing more work...

cms88

St Tropez Betty wrote: »

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

But they're not....

St Tropez Betty

St Tropez Betty wrote: »

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

One for another thread perhaps but definitely. It’s an absolute disgrace that the 350 was handed out so easily. Should have been someone’s normal average wage up to 350. And people want to bash teachers just because they can’t let go of a bad time in school themselves.

normanoffside

As someone who works in the industry I know most secondary schools are continuing classes 'as normal' online with the same timetable.
In most cases rolls are being taken at the start of each class, homework being assigned and corrected.

I'm actually amazed by how things are able to keep going.

Tandey

St Tropez Betty wrote: »

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

From my experience none of the primary school teachers that I know of are doing their best to work remotely and parents I know can attest to this.

Giving kids a set of exercises to do from an exercise book and not looking for the work done to correct it. This isn’t working from home. It’s a 10 minute job at most a week.

_Brian

St Tropez Betty wrote: »

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

Yea but aren’t they “entitled”

Sleeper12

WAW wrote:

Now that the primary schools are closed and unlikely to open before September what will the teachers be doing? I know that many of the secondary teachers are still working from home but couldn't the primary school teachers be reassigned to admin work in social welfare or HSE or some other public or civil service/ state agency that is very busy at the moment? I know teachers are public not civil servants but surely it could/should be done at this point.

This would be like working for a company that has dozens of different companies. Let's say you work for Carphone Warehouse but they also owned a totally different business like maybe a clothes shop. Not in a million years would you be expected to work for the clothes shop. Your union wouldn't allow it & it's illegal for a company to force you to do something like this.

Not the best suggestion I've heard today tbh

cms88

cms88 wrote: »

A principal lives near me and when she was asked how was the home schooling etc going her answer was ''no they were wrecking my head'' but i'm sure she's flat out doing more work...

Like I said, as much as anyone.

beggars_bush

Didn't take long

Who will mind their children if they've to do this new admin work?
Seeing as creches are closed

khalessi

cms88 wrote: »

A principal lives near me and when she was asked how was the home schooling etc going her answer was ''no they were wrecking my head'' but i'm sure she's flat out doing more work...

It is headwrecking. I have kids who along with myself were landed in the predicament of online learning with no guidance. Up to a few weeks ago they for all their digital know how they werent aware of how to open a word document, type upload and download and they are doing it now and I am so proud of them.

THey ask a million questions and I am there every step of the way. I have had quesrions at 2am and it is headwrecking as it is new for me too but we are bungling our way together through it and I am so proud of how they are taking this challenge onboard. I am with them every step of the way as that is where I want to be and I will be till they dont need me.

WAW

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You obviously have no idea of the work being done by teachers at all levels at the moment. They are spending long days preparing and uploading lessons, calling parents and students, and coming up with copious original ideas to facilitate, motivate, and council their students.

Edit, And it's far from random or ad hoc.

Secondary yes. Infant teachers are not. Get real.

cms88

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Like I said, as much as anyone.

I'm working from home for the last month. Still have to report on what im doing etc Something teachers aren't doing, but ya like alway they're doing as much as anyone else...

noodler

St Tropez Betty wrote: »

This annoys me so much. Teachers and snas who through no fault of their own cannot work in a classroom at the moment but are trying their best to work remotely. Lets reassign them.
People out of work for years getting 350 a week. Ye carry on sitting on your arses.

That's impossible.

You can't get 350 unless you were made redundant recently.

khalessi

WAW wrote: »

Secondary yes. Infant teachers are not. Get real.

Infant teachers in my school are working and damn hard

cms88

cms88 wrote: »

I'm working from home for the last month. Still have to report on what im doing etc Something teachers aren't doing, but ya like alway they're doing as much as anyone else...

Of course you’ll say that. Sure I’m flat out myself, never get a minute, keeping the place going, etc etc.

St Tropez Betty

Tandey wrote: »

From my experience none of the primary school teachers that I know of are doing their best to work remotely and parents I know can attest to this.

Giving kids a set of exercises to do from an exercise book and not looking for the work done to correct it. This isn’t working from home. It’s a 10 minute job at most a week.

But why teachers specifically.
What about the other 1000s of people currently unemployed.
Teachers have jobs to return to once this is over.
I cannot speak for the teachers you know but I know plenty who are going above and beyond to facilitate learning at the moment.

St Tropez Betty

cms88 wrote: »

I'm working from home for the last month. Still have to report on what im doing etc Something teachers aren't doing, but ya like alway they're doing as much as anyone else...

Teachers have fortnightly reports to complete also.

cms88

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Of course you’ll say that. Sure I’m flat out myself, never get a minute, keeping the place going, etc etc.

But teachers are of course going to tell everyone they're working around the clock at home. Who's actually chaecking they're doing what they're supposed to be doing?

Never said anything about never getting a minutes brkae did i? Or anything of the like?

khalessi

cms88 wrote: »

But teachers are of course going to tell everyone they're working around the clock at home. Who's actually chaecking they're doing what they're supposed to be doing?

Never said anything about never getting a minutes brkae did i? Or anything of the like?

We have plans to continue and reports on planning to write but sure why let fact interrupt a good story

lawred2

s1ippy wrote: »

Primary teachers are already working remotely and have been for some time. They're providing support to parents and assigning, sending and marking work from students.

Our kids' teachers are not. Haven't heard a jot from them since school closed up.

But we do know of other schools in the area where the kids are being kept busy.

cms88

khalessi wrote: »

We have plans to continue and reports on planning to write but sure why let fact interrupt a good story

Bit like the one here about everyone getting the €350 a week?

khalessi

cms88 wrote: »

Bit like the one here about everyone getting the €350 a week?

That wasnt me so again fact check first before commenting

St Tropez Betty

noodler wrote: »

That's impossible.

You can't get 350 unless you were made redundant recently.

It doesnt matter who is getting how much.
What annoys me is that teachers are being specifically targeted to reassign.

cms88

khalessi wrote: »

That wasnt me so again fact check first before commenting

Didn't say it was did i?

The_Honeybadger

Ive three in primary school they get emailed stuff but they have it done in about an hour each day so they are doing some other stuff online as well. It’s not ideal for teachers or students, but nobody asked for this and I am glad they are maintaining that connection with the school and teachers. I’m sure some teachers are taking advantage of the situation and doing SFA but some are most definitely doing the best they can.

There are more than enough idle public servants to reassign, an awful lot of state activities have ground to a halt.

WAW

This is typical. If people read the OP I'm referring to primary teachers not secondary.

Civil servants have already been reassigned so this is possible ( yes I know teachers are public not civil).

Re. Childcare. All state employees are still working andexpected to manage work and childcare which loads are doing by working remotely.

It is not a teacher bashing thread in disguise. I absolutely have respect and regard for the difficult job it is and unlike many people think they deserve their holidays. I have teachers in my own family fgs. But there are loads of young teachers/ of infant classes/ without kids who are not working from home and could be utilised to work remotely on other work.
Fair enough if some teachers are remotely teaching, leave them to it but those who are not, enable them to assist under pressure services. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

cms88

lawred2 wrote: »

Our kids' teachers are not. Haven't heard a jot from them since school closed up.

But we do know of other schools in the area where the kids are being kept busy.

Probally flat out doing all their reports...

Man007

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You obviously have no idea of the work being done by teachers at all levels at the moment. They are spending long days preparing and uploading lessons, calling parents and students, and coming up with copious original ideas to facilitate, motivate, and council their students.

Edit, And it's far from random or ad hoc.

Sure they are

khalessi

WAW wrote: »

This is typical. If people read the OP I'm referring to primary teachers not secondary.

Civil servants have already been reassigned so this is possible ( yes I know teachers are public not civil).

Re. Childcare. All state employees are still working andexpected to manage work and childcare which loads are doing by working remotely.

It is not a teacher bashing thread in disguise. I absolutely have respect and regard for the difficult job it is and unlike many people think they deserve their holidays. I have teachers in my own family fgs. But there are loads of young teachers/ of infant classes/ without kids who are not working from home and could be utilised to work remotely on other work.
Fair enough if some teachers are remotely teaching, leave them to it but those who are not, enable them to assist under pressure services. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I am primary and we are working as many have said on this thread.

I’ve said this in a previous thread. Any thread set up to deliberately take a pop at any profession should not be allowed by mods. It serves no purpose but to stir reaction and cause arguments for people’s amusement.

Cop on. Stop trolling.

St Tropez Betty

cms88 wrote: »

Bit like the one here about everyone getting the €350 a week?

Just focus on the fact I got the amount people are getting incorrect. I wouldnt know.
Have you any point to make about why only teachers are being asked to reassign?

Rodin

Tandey wrote: »

From my experience none of the primary school teachers that I know of are doing their best to work remotely and parents I know can attest to this.

Giving kids a set of exercises to do from an exercise book and not looking for the work done to correct it. This isn’t working from home. It’s a 10 minute job at most a week.

My only surprise is that you're surprised.