Recommend a running shoe

First Up

Ceepo wrote:

I work with all types of people from stroke patients to Gaa, Rubgy players, race walkers to athletes, 2 of which are current National record holders, As you can appreciate with a wide variety of clients there is NO set time frame, there can't be due to the many variables such as the work load and time the clients ACTUALLY put into doing corrective work. Change can be made on an on going basis, because NONE of us will ever get to a perfect gait, even if such thing exist. And we can always benefit from the efficiency gains that can be made.

I'm not asking for set time frames. Of course there are variables. I'm asking you to tell us what metrics you use to assess if your interventions make the desired impact. Do you have any?

Ceepo wrote:

When I do gait analysis , it's always done without shoes, sure how else would you know how people move, if you wear shoes then the shoes could be masking whats really happening. No I don't advise on shoes, I give people the knowledge and corrective work to over come movement dysfunction based on what information that is gained from the gait analysis. The corrective exercise are done without shoes as well, this is to allow the for muscle potential.

Yes, most gait analysis is done without shoes - e.g wet tests. But looking at where shoes are most worn tells a lot too. Why ignore the obvious?

Ceepo wrote:

While the above doesn't make me a expert, It give's me some small bit of confidence to have a fair idea of what i'm talking about, and maybe just enough knowledge to say that "there is a RIGHT shoe" for your foot type based on in shop gait analysis is nothing more than marketing.

That depends on the shop and the analysis they do. It sounds as if you haven't had it done properly.

Ceepo

First Up wrote: »

I'm not asking for set time frames. Of course there are variables. I'm asking you to tell us what metrics you use to assess if your interventions make the desired impact. Do you have any?

Yes, most gait analysis is done without shoes - e.g wet tests. But looking at where shoes are most worn tells a lot too. Why ignore the obvious?



That depends on the shop and the analysis they do. It sounds as if you haven't had it done properly.

Wet test, seriously... lol.


I've outlined in a previous post what I look for when i do gait analysis, in comparison to that of in shop by a shoe salesman and you say I haven't had gait analysis done properly, shhh...

and still ricky villa

I dipped in here to tell the OP what worked for me but reading through the thread it looks like I'm wrong.....

First Up

Ceepo wrote: »

Wet test, seriously... lol.


I've outlined in a previous post what I look for when i do gait analysis, in comparison to that of in shop by a shoe salesman and you say I haven't had gait analysis done properly, shhh...

Splutter away.

You said that gait analysis should be done with bare feet. I agreed with you and gave a simple example that needs no fancy equipment but you seem to have a problem with that, but I'm not sure what it is.

Its clear that you haven't had gait analysis done properly in a running shoe shop. I have and I gave the Super Runners Shops in New York as an example. Their staff are are both experienced (fanatical) runners and include qualified podiatrists and pedorthists. They also have equipment to analyse foot strike etc. Their recommendations are based on a thorough knowledge of the subject and a live assessment of the customer. You seem to have a problem with that too.

But I'm curious as to the point you are trying to make. Remember how this thread started? The OP asked for shoe recommendations and people replied by telling him the shoes they wear. I suggested he would learn more by getting his gait analysed - for which I have been attacked.

What's your opinion? Is a random list of shoes from strangers in a discussion forum more useful than getting advice from professionals? Or is asking for advice in a proper shoe shop so useless that he might as well buy the first pair he likes the look of?

MY BAD

First Up wrote: »

Its clear that you haven't had gait analysis done properly in a running shoe shop. I have and I gave the Super Runners Shops in New York as an example. Their staff are are both experienced (fanatical) runners and include qualified podiatrists and pedorthists. They also have equipment to analyse foot strike etc.

New York, New York You keep mentioning New York. Can I ask are you aware of any shops here in Ireland that offer the same service you received while in New York specifically? If not what's the point in mentioning the New York shop, as the OP is hardly going to travel to New York to receive this excellent service you received while in New York. Especially now that New York is hot-spot for Covid-19 :pac:

KSU

First Up wrote: »

What's your opinion? Is a random list of shoes from strangers in a discussion forum more useful than getting advice from professionals? Or is asking for advice in a proper shoe shop so useless that he might as well buy the first pair he likes the look of?

Your definition of professional is very fluid though. Is it a podiatrist as per your example or someone who has done a half day gait analysis course as part of a retail training day with no background in anatomy or physiology.?

Ceepo

First Up wrote: »

Splutter away.

You said that gait analysis should be done with bare feet. I agreed with you and gave a simple example that needs no fancy equipment but you seem to have a problem with that, but I'm not sure what it is.

Its clear that you haven't had gait analysis done properly in a running shoe shop. I have and I gave the Super Runners Shops in New York as an example. Their staff are are both experienced (fanatical) runners and include qualified podiatrists and pedorthists. They also have equipment to analyse foot strike etc. Their recommendations are based on a thorough knowledge of the subject and a live assessment of the customer. You seem to have a problem with that too.

But I'm curious as to the point you are trying to make. Remember how this thread started? The OP asked for shoe recommendations and people replied by telling him the shoes they wear. I suggested he would learn more by getting his gait analysed - for which I have been attacked.

What's your opinion? Is a random list of shoes from strangers in a discussion forum more useful than getting advice from professionals? Or is asking for advice in a proper shoe shop so useless that he might as well buy the first pair he likes the look of?

I don't need to do a wet test to confirm if someone has a fallen arch, and it doesn't give any indication as to why.


As I've previously said. I'm glad your experience of gait analysis was good especially in NYC, I did said it was a good service to offer. I also said there wan NO evidence to back up the claim that it prevented injuries.
Having "equipment to analyse foot strike" will only tell you what is happening at the point of impact/ toe off, and doesn't give you any clue as to how it got there.

I have had gait analysis done in some of the shops that you yourself recommended, also in "professional" Physiotheraphy clinic and also a "specialist " podiatrist company based in the UK.


Please re read my first comment in this thread.

Anyway as I also previously said I'll leave you to it.

First Up

Mellow Yellow 26.2 wrote: »

New York, New York You keep mentioning New York. Can I ask are you aware of any shops here in Ireland that offer the same service you received while in New York specifically? If not what's the point in mentioning the New York shop, as the OP is hardly going to travel to New York to receive this excellent service you received while in New York. Especially now that New York is hot-spot for Covid-19 :pac:

New York is where I have experienced the expert analysis and service that Ceepo says you can't get in shoe shops. I haven't needed it here but I think the shops mentioned earlier (Run Hub, Amphibian King, Runzone) all offer something similar. I haven't needed it here because all the analysis I've had done shows the same pattern so I know what to get.

First Up

Ceepo wrote: »

I don't need to do a wet test to confirm if someone has a fallen arch, and it doesn't give any indication as to why.


As I've previously said. I'm glad your experience of gait analysis was good especially in NYC, I did said it was a good service to offer. I also said there wan NO evidence to back up the claim that it prevented injuries.
Having "equipment to analyse foot strike" will only tell you what is happening at the point of impact/ toe off, and doesn't give you any clue as to how it got there.

I have had gait analysis done in some of the shops that you yourself recommended, also in "professional" Physiotheraphy clinic and also a "specialist " podiatrist company based in the UK.


Please re read my first comment in this thread.

Anyway as I also previously said I'll leave you to it.

You seem to view all this from the perspective of injury and rehabilitation. That's fine, but most people buying shoes are not in rehab; they are fit and healthy and want shoes that allow them run well and in comfort. That's all gait analysis is needed for in almost all cases. If someone has complications, of course they should seek specialist help.

Ceepo

First Up wrote: »

New York is where I have experienced the expert analysis and service that Ceepo says you can't get in shoe shops. I haven't needed it here but I think the shops mentioned earlier (Run Hub, Amphibian King, Runzone) all offer something similar. I haven't needed it here because all the analysis I've had done shows the same pattern so I know what to get.

Please point out where I said you "cant get in shoe shops"

First Up

Ceepo wrote: »

Please point out where I said you "cant get in shoe shops"

"While the above doesn't make me a expert, It give's me some small bit of confidence to have a fair idea of what i'm talking about, and maybe just enough knowledge to say that "there is a RIGHT shoe" for your foot type based on in shop gait analysis is nothing more than marketing."

shootermacg

Really depends on what you need from the shoe, as someone said the main sellers do all types.

I personally love Nike, although the adidas ultraboost are my current shoes.

This might be handy though: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058068667

I picked up a pair of Nike Vomero for 68 euros using the code, down from the 140 price. Your 100 euro budget might get you some serious shoe.

First Up

shootermacg wrote:

Really depends on what you need from the shoe, as someone said the main sellers do all types.

Shootermacg, would you mind deleting that reference. I was quoting Ceepo. Those are not my sentiments.

shootermacg

First Up wrote: »

Shootermacg, would you mind deleting that reference. I was quoting Ceepo. Those are not my sentiments.

Sorry, didn't even register that I'd quoted you.

Casey78

shootermacg wrote: »

Really depends on what you need from the shoe, as someone said the main sellers do all types.

I personally love Nike, although the adidas ultraboost are my current shoes.

This might be handy though: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058068667

I picked up a pair of Nike Vomero for 68 euros using the code, down from the 140 price. Your 100 euro budget might get you some serious shoe.

How do you find the UltraBoost? Picked up a pair cheap last week on Adidas website. First run in them I had awful pains in my feet. Switched back to my New Balance Beacon the next day and no problems.
Maybe they need time to break in.
I also have the Vomero and they are great, though haven't worn them in a while.

shootermacg

Casey78 wrote: »

How do you find the UltraBoost? Picked up a pair cheap last week on Adidas website. First run in them I had awful pains in my feet. Switched back to my New Balance Beacon the next day and no problems.
Maybe they need time to break in.
I also have the Vomero and they are great, though haven't worn them in a while.

Less bouncy than the Beacons for sure. They're also a little heavy and need a bit of breaking in, so maybe, go for a few short slow runs in them. The Beacons are very nice, but I don't think they offer much stability.

With the sale and with 100 to spend I'd actually be looking at the Pegasus Turbo Pros myself.

Ceepo

First Up wrote: »

You seem to view all this from the perspective of injury and rehabilitation. That's fine, but most people buying shoes are not in rehab; they are fit and healthy and want shoes that allow them run well and in comfort. That's all gait analysis is needed for in almost all cases. If someone has complications, of course they should seek specialist help.

Why do specialists running shops offer gait analysis.. is it to prevent injuries by offer you a specify type of shoe for your foot type.
Assuming that most are as you say are fit and healthy then theres no need for gait analysis, just get a comfortable (for you) shoe
And Im glad that you agree with me on comfort, which I stated on my first post..

"expert analysis and service that Ceepo says you can't get in shoe shops."
I never said you cant get analysis done in shops. What I say was, the advice has no scientific evidence to back up the claim that any specific shoe for a foot type prevents injury.
When I asked you to point out where I said you cant get it done in shop, You quoted below.

While the above doesn't make me a expert, It give's me some small bit of confidence to have a fair idea of what i'm talking about, and maybe just enough knowledge to say that "there is a RIGHT shoe" for your foot type based on in shop gait analysis is nothing more than marketing."

Again I never said you cant get in store gait analysis or advice.

That's my last post on this. I'm not here to entertain or educate you, the advice I gave the op is good sound advice, its up to them to decide what to do with it.
You have a nice day now

First Up

Ceepo wrote:

Why do specialists running shops offer gait analysis.. is it to prevent injuries by offer you a specify type of shoe for your foot type. Assuming that most are as you say are fit and healthy then theres no need for gait analysis, just get a comfortable (for you) shoe And Im glad that you agree with me on comfort, which I stated on my first post..

Do you really believe that trying shoes on in a shop is enough to decide if they will be comfortable with heavy usage?

Getting the size right is the obvious starting point but finding out if you are a pronator or supinator is widely accepted as a good idea. And you don't need a Masters in podiatry to do it.

Aidan Harney

Hi all, I'm asking for opinions that may help me choose one of three running shoes.
Any advice, ignoring the obvious info around everyone being different etc etc, bearing in mind the following...
I'm 6'4 and 17 to 18 stone.
I run on roads to get to parks or beaches, usually about 50%roads and paths, 50% grass or sand.
I run about 10km a week in bouts of 4km or so but take the odd notion and do 10 km in one slow burst!

The three in looking at, and price won't be a deciding factor, are...

Asics gt1000 v8 gtx

Asics fujitrabuco gtx6

Asics fujitrabuco gel 7.

I'll likely do sports direct, seems to be value there, advice welcome if better value elsewhere but the thrust of the request here is around opinion based input to which of the three is best and why.

Grmma,
A

Swiper the fox

Aidan Harney wrote: »

Hi all, I'm asking for opinions that may help me choose one of three running shoes.
Any advice, ignoring the obvious info around everyone being different etc etc, bearing in mind the following...
I'm 6'4 and 17 to 18 stone.
I run on roads to get to parks or beaches, usually about 50%roads and paths, 50% grass or sand.
I run about 10km a week in bouts of 4km or so but take the odd notion and do 10 km in one slow burst!

The three in looking at, and price won't be a deciding factor, are...

Asics gt1000 v8 gtx

Asics fujitrabuco gtx6

Asics fujitrabuco gel 7.

I'll likely do sports direct, seems to be value there, advice welcome if better value elsewhere but the thrust of the request here is around opinion based input to which of the three is best and why.

Grmma,
A

The question here is, are you in the New York area about 6 weeks ago? (Sorry)

Why are you set on ASICS?

ANXIOUS

Anyone see nike zoom fly fk for sale? They are my favourite and can't seem to get them anywhere.

Aidan Harney

Swiper the fox wrote: »

The question here is, are you in the New York area about 6 weeks ago? (Sorry)

Why are you set on ASICS?

Not getting the NY reference, my bad possibly?
Asics just as its what I know, I've worn out 5 or 6 pairs of them, haven't tried much else tbh. Id consider Nike or Adidas mainly as style or comfort runners rather than running runners.
Happy to be educated...

Swiper the fox

Aidan Harney wrote: »

Not getting the NY reference, my bad possibly?
Asics just as its what I know, I've worn out 5 or 6 pairs of them, haven't tried much else tbh. Id consider Nike or Adidas mainly as style or comfort runners rather than running runners.
Happy to be educated...

Sorry about the NY thing, this thread was quite tasty for a week or so and the NY was an in joke,

Personally I don’t like ASICS anymore but obviously there’s a pile of their shoes that I haven’t tried, might be worth trying out something else for a change, I really like Saucony shoes and they’re not nearly as popular

Klopp

Nike offering 30%.



My current running shoes are Pegasus which i find very comfortable. I am looking for a second pair and i came across Nike React Miler - anyone here own a pair, how do you find for them running on road?

partyguinness

Aidan Harney wrote: »

Hi all, I'm asking for opinions that may help me choose one of three running shoes.
Any advice, ignoring the obvious info around everyone being different etc etc, bearing in mind the following...
I'm 6'4 and 17 to 18 stone.
I run on roads to get to parks or beaches, usually about 50%roads and paths, 50% grass or sand.
I run about 10km a week in bouts of 4km or so but take the odd notion and do 10 km in one slow burst!

The three in looking at, and price won't be a deciding factor, are...

Asics gt1000 v8 gtx

Asics fujitrabuco gtx6

Asics fujitrabuco gel 7.

I'll likely do sports direct, seems to be value there, advice welcome if better value elsewhere but the thrust of the request here is around opinion based input to which of the three is best and why.

Grmma,
A

Personally I would stay away from AISCS.


I run with a guy with the same measurements and runs as you- he went for HOKA after using AISCs for years. He now swears by them.