Digital ID's for everyone

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Graph is a stat for poor countries. You have to look at every country in the world to determine where the population is too high.

Read the link again

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=24

Timberrrrrrrr

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Whatever way you dress it up Gates goal is birth control and stopping more people of colour having babies. His solution is vaccines and improved health services to stop it. It a billionaire mindset we don’t need more poor people. Gates appointed himself as the guy to do it and uses his foundation for that purpose. If we serious about helping poor countries we should stop bombing them and start with helping them instead.
Vaccines supposed to keep people alive. What vaccine he has in his mind doing to control World population? He says vaccines, is part of the program, to depopulate the world. I struggling to understand what he has in mind?
I understand birth control and protection, and family advice slows the growth.

Even first world countries are over populated, we have people living on the streets, no food, shelter, and millions of families are on the bread line. Poor countries Gates believes is where the problem is ( this is false)

He does not say that, that's just your skewed view of what he said.

Do you believe the world is overpopulated? What would be best for people in poor countries? Birth control to slow the population rise or just let them have children every year, children they can't feed, children that will likely die at a young age?

What's more horrific?

Gates vision to slow the population rise so that less children die

Or your vision of uncontrolled population rises and the horrific slow deaths of millions/billions.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Read the link again

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=24

Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of January 1, 2019

CIA the source for the stats?

Syria population unlikely to be growing, when the country ravaged by a civil war for 10 years. Millions have died.

Cheerful Spring2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He does not say that, that's just your skewed view of what he said.

Do you believe the world is overpopulated? What would be best for people in poor countries? Birth control to slow the population rise or just let them have children every year, children they can't feed, children that will likely die at a young age?

What's more horrific?

Gates vision to slow the population rise so that less children die

Or your vision of uncontrolled population rises and the horrific slow deaths of millions/billions.

Can you read
First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent …”

Gates is not a medical doctor. He appointed himself to control population in poorer countries. This decision has to be taken by countries leaders, not Gates a billionaire.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Source: CIA World Factbook

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

Can sort by UN rate

Syria population unlikely to be growing

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/syria-population/

It went down sharply due to the war, now it's rebounding

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Can you read
First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent …”

Gates is not a medical doctor. He appointed himself to control population in poorer countries. This decision has to be taken by countries leaders, not Gates a billionaire.

This is why you believe so many conspiracy theories.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

Can sort by UN rate



https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/syria-population/

It went down sharply due to the war, now it's rebounding

Rebounding to what level? Millions of people died. It going to take a long time for things to go back to normal in Syria. I doubt many Syrians are having babies when the country is a mess, there likely trying to escape to Turkey and to other countries. CIA caused that mess supporting jihadists groups, so any stat from them is flawed.

There nobody counting how many Syrians are left. The stats are flawed. Cities are in ruins Assad has no time to count how many people lived.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Can you read
First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent …”

Gates is not a medical doctor. He appointed himself to control population in poorer countries. This decision has to be taken by countries leaders, not Gates a billionaire.

Can you read?

Contraception through reproductive health services would help stem population growth but you choose to skip that part and jump straight onto vaccines.

You lower the growth with reproductive health care and you keep the population that is there healthy with vaccines and health care. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Rebounding to what level? Millions of people died.

How many died?

What is the current population growth in Syria (2019)?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is why you believe so many conspiracy theories.

New vaccines will be used to control population. Gates admits that. Not a conspiracy.
Is is wrong to control World population? There is good arguments we need to stop the increase, but i don’t think Gates should be the one to be let loose with his vaccines. There individuals with medical expertise, who don’t spend time with child rapists, can help. 

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

New vaccines will be used to control population. Gates admits that.

And how will these vaccines be used to control the population in your mind?

Explain..

I don't know whether you are playing games here, or you actually don't understand this

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

How many died?

What is the current population growth in Syria (2019)?

How can anyone know that. Whos counting the dead in the rubble? It is laughable stat. Who counting the dead Isis killed? There no counting taking place of who still living in one region to the next in Syria.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

How can anyone know that. Whos counting the dead in the rubble? It is laughable stat. Who counting the dead Isis killed? There no counting taking place of who still living in one region to the next in Syria.

You claimed millions died, what is the source for that?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And how will these vaccines be used to control the population in your mind?

Explain..

I don't know whether you are playing games here, or you actually don't understand this

I don't know what vaccine he thinking of will control it. There birth control vaccines already. He says new vaccines? Not understanding what he means by that, or some new miracle vaccine he thinking of?

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Small reminder THE ACTUAL TOPIC

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Q. Digital ID's for everyone? (I.e. Is there a plan for everyone to be 'pushed' into having a new type of universal persistant DigitalID?)

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A. YES, clearly - via id2020.org and it's projects, partners and programs.
The only variable here is timeframes, this was a long-term goal (pre COVID19 anyway)

Within this main topic (the title of the thread) are sub-CTs incude:

i) that the majority of people aren't aware of the project's existance, it's scope, ambitions and reach.

ii) that the majority of people (of the few who are actually aware of the program) simply don't understand it (as proven here), it's workings, functionality i.e. 'it's form' or it's most likely, final realisation. BillGates & Foundaiton (vaccine technologist) appears to be somewhat involved having funded MIT to create a Quantum Dot Tattoo (a data mark or embodiment, on the arm used as a unique person identifer).

iii) that the majority of people haven't even considered it's implications, it is being pushed as only 'good' thing, only. There has been zero debate as to if it's value or end results is only 'good thing'. It has (both) plus and minus aspects.

iv) there are many that conspire to 'attach' the already clear published goals (of id2020.org and it's projects), to other wild, dramtic, non-related sci-fi theories, that have no basis. Lies infact. Not even worthy of responding to. This shoud be considered topic diversion and distortion of a very simple question (as per topic), of which hasn't yet been answered.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You claimed millions died, what is the source for that?

Syria population was 21 million in 2012. Syria population is now 16 million according to the UN. There estimates based on what they think occurred, but the true figure can never be known till the war over, and even then bodies may never be found.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I don't know what vaccine he thinking of will control it. There birth control vaccines already. He says new vaccines? Not understanding what he means by that, or some new miracle vaccine he thinking of?

If you can't or don't want to understand the basic explanations - no one can help you with that.

As for why I picked you up on your claim that "millions" died in Syria. It's just another example of something you made up in your head without thinking, then when challenged, you have no source for it. Your response was to start rationalising it.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Syria population was 21 million in 2012. Syria population is now 16 million according to the UN. There estimates based on what they think occurred, but the true figure can never be known till the war over, and even then bodies may never be found.

So that's the basis of your claim for millions dead? 21 minus 16, right?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If you can't or don't want to understand the basic explanations - no one can help you with that.

As for why I picked you up on your claim that "millions" died in Syria. It's just another example of something you made up in your head without thinking, then when challenged, you have no source for it. Your response was to start rationalising it.

What the new vaccine to control population. Provide an answer. We have great birth control vaccines today.

Pre-war 2011 Syrian stats are well known 21 million.
UN says about 16 to 17 million there today, different viewpoints.
Based on that 4 to 5 million estimate people are missing. Of course this estimate does not mean they all died.
We have no record of millions of people escaping to other countries.
I don't think the stat can be viewed as accurate, when the country was in civil war and people died from different causes, and nobody counting the dead.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

New vaccines will be used to control population. Gates admits that. Not a conspiracy.
Is is wrong to control World population? There is good arguments we need to stop the increase, but i don’t think Gates should be the one to be let loose with his vaccines. There individuals with medical expertise, who don’t spend time with child rapists, can help.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What the new vaccine to control population. Provide an answer. We have great birth control vaccines today.

Pre-war 2011 Syrian stats are well known 21 million.
UN says about 16 to 17 million there today, different viewpoints.
Based on that 4 to 5 million estimate people are missing. Of course this estimate does not mean they all died.
We have no record of millions of people escaping to other countries.
I don't think the stat can be viewed as accurate, when the country was in civil war and people died from different causes, and nobody counting the dead.

You seem to have lost track of who said what. it was YOU who mentioned vaccines to control population. what vaccines are you talking about and how do they control population?

and what is a birth control vaccine? do you know what a vaccine is? pregnancy is not a disease.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What the new vaccine to control population. Provide an answer. We have great birth control vaccines today.

Are you suggesting Bill Gates is developing a vaccine to sterlise people? what?

That's your take from what he said?

Pre-war 2011 Syrian stats are well known 21 million.
UN says about 16 to 17 million there today, different viewpoints.
Based on that 4 to 5 million estimate people are missing. Of course this estimate does not mean they all died.

So I was correct, you literally took one UN stat, decided it was "correct" and took it away from an original figure

According you, someone on the internet, it's not possible to estimate how many died in Syria or how many refugees there are. It's completely up in the air, it could be millions dead.

You know "as much" as the UN refugee agencies. We're straight back to your extreme belief that you know as much as experts and countless people on the ground.

And here you are expressing the belief that Bill Gates is creating a vaccine to "depopulate" the earth.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What the new vaccine to control population. Provide an answer. We have great birth control vaccines today.

Pre-war 2011 Syrian stats are well known 21 million.
UN says about 16 to 17 million there today, different viewpoints.
Based on that 4 to 5 million estimate people are missing. Of course this estimate does not mean they all died.
We have no record of millions of people escaping to other countries.
I don't think the stat can be viewed as accurate, when the country was in civil war and people died from different causes, and nobody counting the dead.

There are estimated to be 5.6 million Syrian refugees. Did you miss the refugee crisis?

https://www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/syrian-refugee-crisis-facts

Also why are you ignoring the fact that population growth slows as healthcare improves?

Cheerful Spring2

Deleted User wrote: »

There are estimated to be 5.6 million Syrian refugees. Did you miss the refugee crisis?

https://www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/syrian-refugee-crisis-facts

Also why are you ignoring the fact that population growth slows as healthcare improves?

Can you read
About 5.6 million Syrians are refugees, and another 6.2 million people are displaced within Syria. Nearly 12 million people in Syria need humanitarian assistance.

There referring to 12 million people. Syria had 21 million population pre-2011. The civil war started in 2012.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Can you read
About 5.6 million Syrians are refugees, and another 6.2 million people are displaced within Syria. Nearly 12 million people in Syria need humanitarian assistance.

There referring to 12 million people. Syria had 21 million population pre-2011. The civil war started in 2012.

So what about the part that says

"families have suffered under brutal conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands of people"

Why is that part fake? (but you accept other figures)

I thought they couldn't estimate refugees and now they can?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So what about the part that says

"families have suffered under brutal conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands of people"

Why is that part fake? (but you accept other figures)

I thought they couldn't estimate refugees and now they can?

I know you guys can't add and subtract but 21 million was the population for Syria pre civil war.
They're not my estimates
12 million- what happened to other 7 million?
I don't think they can estimate all refugees, that your claim..
It likely millions died, that can be low number or higher number. Claiming only a few hundred thousand died is unlikely when most of the cities were destroyed.

Kehlani Massive Magnum

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Small reminder THE ACTUAL TOPIC

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Q. Digital ID's for everyone? (I.e. Is there a plan for everyone to be 'pushed' into having a new type of universal persistant DigitalID?)

This has been answered many times.
You keep ignoring that.

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

iv) there are many that conspire to 'attach' the already clear published goals (of id2020.org and it's projects), to other wild, dramtic, non-related sci-fi theories, that have no basis. Lies infact. Not even worthy of responding to. This shoud be considered topic diversion and distortion of a very simple question (as per topic), of which hasn't yet been answered.

But we're not doing that. You are.

You are the one who believes in the idea of biblical prophesies. (Again, if that's not the case, please clearly state your position.)

Cheerful is claiming what Bill Gates is involved in a conspiracy to depopulate the world. Do you believe this?

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I know you guys can't add and subtract but 21 million was the population for Syria pre civil war.
They're not my estimates
12 million- what happened to other 7 million?
I don't think they can estimate all refugees, that your claim..
It likely millions died, that can be low number or higher number. Claiming only a few hundred thousand died is unlikely when most of the cities were destroyed.

The absolute irony of these questions...

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

12 million- what happened to other 7 million?

Is you accepting the refugee figures..

I don't think they can estimate all refugees, that your claim..

And now you believe these figures aren't real

So which is it?

It likely millions died,

What's your source for this, apart from your opinion?

Cheerful Spring2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and what is a birth control vaccine? do you know what a vaccine is? pregnancy is not a disease.

I don't think you read much.
https://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_health/Contraceptives_vaccines.html

Dohnjoe

King Mob wrote: »

The absolute irony of these questions...

"My opinion is greater than your fact"