In your opinion, what does the future of Travel look like?

RiseAbove4

My thoughts;

- This isn’t going anywhere in even 6 months. Next March Covid will still be a thing. Many believe it’ll become part of the regular illnesses we have to avoid, like seasonal flu. All they can do now is suppress this

- There’s no vaccine for 18 months. So where does that leave the closed borders? As Covid becomes part of regular diseases, but without the crazy surge in numbers we’re seeing now, countries will have to decide what is more harmful to them - no tourists or the chance tourists will bring in a new wave of it

- I think the best we can hope for is borders opening back up but you’ll need to show your Covid vaccine cert to get into the country. Much like some countries ask for Zika and Yellow Fever certs

But this brings us back to no vaccine for 18 months and realistically I think it’ll be 2 years before it has any effect

So maybe some countries won’t open their borders for 24 months? Well, nothing would surprise me now. These are unprecedented times

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Kivaro

Interesting question, as I love to travel.

It is very odd watching travel programs at the moment.
There was a rail travel show on Channel 5 last night, and it showed the host in Marseilles, Barcelona, Madrid and Porto. It was very strange to see people intermingling and being very close to each other in train stations and in the city attractions.
Of course, that was before the virus, and I already miss those times.

It will definitely be different in the future; that's for sure.

biko

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completedit

I don’t know. Definitely this might be the death knell of frivolous weekends away in Europe for people like us on our island. However, such freedom to travel and coexist with fellow Europeans is fundamental to the European project.

I hope the airline industry can bounce back but maybe this will be used as a time to get used to a world where air travel reverts back to being much rarer. With the positive environmental impact such a change in people’s flying habits would have this seems like it could happen.

We have to see what happens when we open back up again. Depending on how that experience goes, normal habits might return. It’s just sad that old people will have to live in constant fear of who they come into contact with until a vaccine is released.

RiseAbove4

biko wrote: »

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Whenever this ends or we decide to ignore it, travel will return to normal.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Hopefully less travel. I’ve been feeling less entitled to travel the last few years after being horrified at the overcrowding at popular tourist areas. And I was very well aware that I was part of the problem (many tourists don’t - they complain about others). Low cost air travel, low cost Airbnbs and cruise ships have made it all too casual and accessible.

I don’t think travel should just go back to being a rich person’s pursuit either though so it’s hard to know what the solution is.

Masala

I wonder will people jump at ‘deals’ that will appear say fir July and August.

Ryanair will surely throw on €99 fares to Spain and Portugal. Actually —- will people even go to Spain??

I can see couples rather than family jumping on same as the Irish can’t resist a bargain,!!!

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jimmyrustle

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Low cost air travel, low cost Airbnbs and cruise ships have made it all too casual and accessible.

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Hopefully this is the death of Airbnb. It baffles me how it even took off in the first place, I can't imagine anything more bizarre than going on holidays to somebody's house/ flat.

Manc_Red

I'd say we're looking at least July for families going away, but the future of travel is definitely going to be changed - folk will be alot more nervous going to new places in the risk of running into infection problematic areas.

A holiday is to be enjoyed not swimming in a sea of worry & anxiety.

I'ts going to take years to truly get over this, the worst is yet to come and so many will be effected by this.

Pray to whatever you believe in, because we're going to need lots of luck to avoid this.

RiseAbove4

Manc_Red wrote: »

Pray to whatever you believe in, because we're going to need lots of luck to avoid this.

100% this

The amount of people not realising the long term effects of this thing is baffling. It only takes a basic understanding of Economics to see how fùcked we are for the next 3-5 years

KilOit

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RiseAbove4

completedit wrote: »

I don’t know. Definitely this might be the death knell of frivolous weekends away in Europe for people like us on our island. However, such freedom to travel and coexist with fellow Europeans is fundamental to the European project.

I hope the airline industry can bounce back but maybe this will be used as a time to get used to a world where air travel reverts back to being much rarer. With the positive environmental impact such a change in people’s flying habits would have this seems like it could happen.

We have to see what happens when we open back up again. Depending on how that experience goes, normal habits might return. It’s just sad that old people will have to live in constant fear of who they come into contact with until a vaccine is released.

Re; the airline industry, it’ll be interesting to see where they price themselves

Either;

- very cheap, to get people on planes again

- or expensive, to make up for the massive loss in revenue

hmmm

The airlines themselves will come up with something. They're already talking about flying planes but with no-one in middle seats. The airliners themselves can be made relatively safe, with good air circulation, HEPA filters and perhaps some extra time spent cleaning them.

Biggest problem I can see is lots of countries are going to introduce 14 day quarantine orders for visitors. It'll be interesting to see how long that lasts.

A lot of these problems go away if we can get rapid & accurate testing. Perhaps everyone has to take a test in the airport.

There's also the potential for an immunity "passport" i.e. if you've had it and are now immune, you get some sort of tag.

ZX7R

hmmm wrote: »

The airlines themselves will come up with something. They're already talking about flying planes but with no-one in middle seats. The airliners themselves can be made relatively safe, with good air circulation, HEPA filters and perhaps some extra time spent cleaning them.

Biggest problem I can see is lots of countries are going to introduce 14 day quarantine orders for visitors. It'll be interesting to see how long that lasts.

A lot of these problems go away if we can get rapid & accurate testing. Perhaps everyone has to take a test in the airport.

There's also the potential for an immunity "passport" i.e. if you've had it and are now immune, you get some sort of tag.

Some of your ideas are all ready in the pipeline in regards to rapid testing and or passport idea
I reckon hopefully in June we will see air travel return to some degree,I think you will see a lot of people return to their countries example would be Italy, Spain there are families devastated and towns a lot of people will return to help rebuild reboot and console

TheValeyard

Xertz

My guess is that it will be problematic until you’ve wide spread immunity through vaccination, which is looking possible.

I’m guessing 2020 and 2021 are basically going to be absolute disasters for global travel but then 2022 will see a recovery as people begin to gain confidence and technical solutions are in place.

For the example I could see a scenario where you might have to provide certificates of vaccination or antibody reaction to get some flights.

thebaz

Think long haul travel will become really expensive and so a lot less people will travel to Asia and South America , will be only for the super rich.
This is not a bad thing as many of these places were getting over-run, let societys and cultures re-build -

Think more people will holiday at home and going to Spain and France will be viewed as exotic.

jimmyrustle

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Hopefully this is the death of Airbnb. It baffles me how it even took off in the first place, I can't imagine anything more bizarre than going on holidays to somebody's house/ flat.

Yup..... Housing for locals should be more accessible & hotel rooms shall be more expensive, as they should be really. AirB&B has made life tough for many and it's fairly sh1t a concept as you say.

RiseAbove4

thebaz wrote: »

Think long haul travel will become really expensive and so a lot less people will travel to Asia and South America , will be only for the super rich.
This is not a bad thing as many of these places were getting over-run, let societys and cultures re-build -

Think more people will holiday at home and going to Spain and France will be viewed as exotic.

As a lover of South East Asia, that sounds feckin’ horrific

And Spain and France - in this day and age - should never be seen as “exotic”

RiseAbove4

Playing devil’s advocate here;

Let’s say airport Corona testing before your flight becomes a thing. What happens if you don’t pass the test?

The airline has to refund you or you take the risk?

thebaz

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

As a lover of South East Asia, that sounds feckin’ horrific

And Spain and France - in this day and age - should never be seen as “exotic”

it is going to change travel forever - and thats not a bad thing - without widespread travel, this virus would not have travelled so fast - Spain and France can actually be exotic, mass travel of Everest base camp/Inca trails/ Cambodia etc really is not good for the environment - Think post Covid we will reassess our relationship with envionment.

completedit

In fairness, it's unfortunate that the rich will be the ones to gain mostly from travelling but visiting foreign places has been sort of ruined by the ease of travel. It will add to experience when it becomes more of a luxury. We had a good run and we are unfortunate living on a small enough homogeneous island but such is the life.

RiseAbove4

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

My thoughts;

- This isn’t going anywhere in even 6 months. Next March Covid will still be a thing. Many believe it’ll become part of the regular illnesses we have to avoid, like seasonal flu. All they can do now is suppress this

- There’s no vaccine for 18 months. So where does that leave the closed borders? As Covid becomes part of regular diseases, but without the crazy surge in numbers we’re seeing now, countries will have to decide what is more harmful to them - no tourists or the chance tourists will bring in a new wave of it

- I think the best we can hope for is borders opening back up but you’ll need to show your Covid vaccine cert to get into the country. Much like some countries ask for Zika and Yellow Fever certs

But this brings us back to no vaccine for 18 months and realistically I think it’ll be 2 years before it has any effect

So maybe some countries won’t open their borders for 24 months? Well, nothing would surprise me now. These are unprecedented times

Would love your feedback but PLEASE choose your website sources very carefully if linking them to support your thoughts. There’s so much misinformation ****e out there

Thanks

I’m guessing that perhaps a certificate to prove you have antibodies may come into operation to facilitate travel. There would be a big demand for those blood tests!

Manc_Red

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here;

Let’s say airport Corona testing before your flight becomes a thing. What happens if you don’t pass the test?

Lot of sense though in what you're saying there & when I think about it I'm very sure that something like the above will become the norm in the near future.

DeanAustin

thebaz wrote: »

it is going to change travel forever - and thats not a bad thing - without widespread travel, this virus would not have travelled so fast - Spain and France can actually be exotic, mass travel of Everest base camp/Inca trails/ Cambodia etc really is not good for the environment - Think post Covid we will reassess our relationship with envionment.

How did SARS and Ebola change travel? And Swine Flu? Not much from my recollection. I know this is a more global pandemic but even in the countries affected by those horrible diseases, travel wasn't really changed hugely.

It takes a September 11 type event to change air travel which happened because of glaring weaknesses in airport security.

We'll get this pandemic under control eventually and it'll go back close enough to normal. If some airlines try to charge prohibitively expensive fares, a Michael O'Leary type will come along and blow them out of the water because where there is money to be made, money will be made.

completedit

I think the impact depends on the length of the current state of affairs. I think this could make people appreciate modern luxuries more than ever and we'll be right back to square one, the environment be damned. There's a lot of people saving and ready to spend so I do predict a huge surge of consumption once it all settles down.

Manc_Red

DeanAustin wrote: »

How did SARS and Ebola change travel? And Swine Flu? Not much from my recollection. I know this is a more global pandemic but even in the countries affected by those horrible diseases, travel wasn't really changed hugely.

This is a game changing virus imho for the world, we all thought this would blow-over and normality would quickly return - It won't and this must change the way we travel especially in airports where for a while at least we should be checked for temp etc.

This is spreading like wild-fire & now we really must start thinking it's going to take the lives of people in serious numbers.

For that reason things must change regarding travel.

DeanAustin

DeanAustin wrote: »

How did SARS and Ebola change travel? And Swine Flu? Not much from my recollection. I know this is a more global pandemic but even in the countries affected by those horrible diseases, travel wasn't really changed hugely.

It takes a September 11 type event to change air travel which happened because of glaring weaknesses in airport security.

We'll get this pandemic under control eventually and it'll go back close enough to normal. If some airlines try to charge prohibitively expensive fares, a Michael O'Leary type will come along and blow them out of the water because where there is money to be made, money will be made.

SARS 1 not so infectious, Ebola needed physical contact with an infected person, influenza has vaccines. Covid-19 is highly infectious and very serious in 10% or so who get ill with it.

DeanAustin

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SARS 1 not so infectious, Ebola needed physical contact with an infected person, influenza has vaccines. Covid-19 is highly infectious and very serious in 10% or so who get ill with it.

Sars was also much more deadly. Swine flu killed more than Coronavirus (so far).

There will be a vaccine. Once that comes, things will go back to normal in terms of travel.

Xertz

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here;

Let’s say airport Corona testing before your flight becomes a thing. What happens if you don’t pass the test?

The airline has to refund you or you take the risk?

Perhaps if immunity through either having had Coronavirus and developing natural immunity or through vaccine can be tested for - antibody test is something that could be done by your GP with a small blood sample - then you could be certified as safe to travel.

Basically I suspect you’re going to need a vaccine certificate to even book a long haul flight at some stage.

If an effective vaccine is available in say late 2021, I would simply expect that you’ll have to get it or you’ll be rather restricted in where you can go.

Airlines wouldn’t need to accept a booking without a cert, which could be digital.

There have been and are vaccine requirements for certain countries as it is.

marno21

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here;

Let’s say airport Corona testing before your flight becomes a thing. What happens if you don’t pass the test?

The airline has to refund you or you take the risk?

Passport linked proof of vaccination/previous dose of the disease leading to immunity is one way of doing it. But that would be at the discretion of the country you intend to visit.

If that were done it would probably work out like any other international trip. Book at your own risk if you're not guaranteed a visa/visa waiver. If you book a flight to the US and immigration say no it's your problem.

Ronaldinho

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Re; the airline industry, it’ll be interesting to see where they price themselves

Either;

- very cheap, to get people on planes again

- or expensive, to make up for the massive loss in revenue

I'm not sure that expensive is gonna fly what with many of them set to receive massive state support.

peasant

Sorry to be the party pooper here but once this* is over, travel will be a very expensive and rare luxury.

Nothing to do with any remnants of the virus still floating about but mainly with the fact that most of us won't be able to afford it.

I don't see the cheap flights we've become so used to surviving this, we'll be back to ticket prices from the last millennium.




* "this" being the pandemic followed by the massive global recession

DeanAustin

peasant wrote: »

Sorry to be the party pooper here but once this* is over, travel will be a very expensive and rare luxury.

Nothing to do with any remnants of the virus still floating about but mainly with the fact that most of us won't be able to afford it.

I don't see the cheap flights we've become so used to surviving this, we'll be back to ticket prices from the last millennium.




* "this" being the pandemic followed by the massive global recession

Why would they get more expensive? What will drive the price increase?

peasant

DeanAustin wrote: »

Why would they get more expensive? What will drive the price increase?

The duration of the pandemic with no travel at all and the even longer economic recovery that will follow with very limited travel will be too long for airlines to sit it out and there will be very limited state aid for airlines because the money will be needed elsewhere.

Then again ..perhaps the end of the 9.99 weekend jaunt to Barcelona is a good thing ?

RiseAbove4

peasant wrote: »

The duration of the pandemic with no travel at all and the even longer economic recovery that will follow with very limited travel will be too long for airlines to sit it out and there will be very limited state aid for airlines because the money will be needed elsewhere.

Then again ..perhaps the end of the 9.99 weekend jaunt to Barcelona is a good thing ?

But won’t airlines need bargain prices to kickstart their industry again?

Or; another thought being discussed is that this will put so many airlines out of business that those that survive can charge what they want

In the latter scenario; Think Aer Lingus prices before RyanAir came along

thebaz

DeanAustin wrote: »

Why would they get more expensive? What will drive the price increase?

Most airlines are already on ther knees - The travel industry including airlines will take a hammering like never before -

Tha vaccine that you suggest is at best 12 months away, and will then take around a further 6 months to roll out - any new airline or ones that survive, given all the risks involved will charge through the roof for flights (especially long haul), thus pricing out everybody but the very rich.

DeanAustin

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

But won’t airlines need bargain prices to kickstart their industry again?

Or; another thought being discussed is that this will put so many airlines out of business that those that survive can charge what they want

In the latter scenario; Think Aer Lingus prices before RyanAir came along

That wont happen though. If airlines go bust, others will spring up and fill the void. Aircraft manufacturers will still have to manufacture planes, leasing companies will still have to lease those planes.

Unless people are too scared to travel or the governments impose legislation/taxes to make it prohibitively expensive we will go back to normal. If a vaccine comes, the first problem will disappear while I don't see governments doing the latter if they haven't done it before now.

Sleeper12

I should have been in Peru tomorrow. I have moved this to October. I'd be gobsmacked if flights haven't returned to normal in 6 months from now.

peasant

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

But won’t airlines need bargain prices to kickstart their industry again?

Bargain prices only work for the airlines if and when all planes are full, have a quick turnaround and fly more or less non-stop.

I don't see that happening for quite a long time...people will have other priorities than flying to Prague for a weekend or to Playa de something for the holidays.

The travel we had for the last 20 years or so was a frivolity...no more frivolities for a while once this is over.

Thelonious Monk

I think the travel thing has kind of gotten out of hand anyway. Places like Venice and Lisbon and Amsterdam are basically unlivable in now for locals. I'd be happy with a few weeks on one of the costas once a year these days, places that are actually built just for tourism. Many European cities have just turned into Disneyland type experiences these days I've found.

Queasy Tadpole

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think the travel thing has kind of gotten out of hand anyway. Places like Venice and Lisbon and Amsterdam are basically unlivable in now for locals. I'd be happy with a few weeks on one of the costas once a year these days, places that are actually built just for tourism. Many European cities have just turned into Disneyland type experiences these days I've found.

You think the locals care? The amount of money that tourism brings to these places is astronomical.


So many places would be run down ghost towns if it wasn't for the tourists. I don't expect any major changes to happen to world travel.

Safehands

Xertz wrote: »

Perhaps if immunity through either having had Coronavirus and developing natural immunity or through vaccine can be tested for - antibody test is something that could be done by your GP with a small blood sample - then you could be certified as safe to travel.

Basically I suspect you’re going to need a vaccine certificate to even book a long haul flight at some stage.

If an effective vaccine is available in say late 2021, I would simply expect that you’ll have to get it or you’ll be rather restricted in where you can go.

Airlines wouldn’t need to accept a booking without a cert, which could be digital.

There have been and are vaccine requirements for certain countries as it is.

These are very interesting points. I believe there will be treatments to lessen the severity of the Covid virus and that will happen quite quickly, before a vaccine appears. But we must remember, this virus spread rapidly from China to the rest of the world BECAUSE of air travel. It would never have happened like that in the 1970's, simply because people didn't travel as much. I think the whole world needs to see this as a very severe lesson. It happened so quickly, much quicker than anyone could have imagined. The next virus may be much more serious, it may be an airborne virus and if that were to happen the death toll would be horrendous. So we need to learn, these viruses have the potential to wipe us out at some time in the future. Air travel, much as I love it, needs to be looked at. It can and should, never go back to the way it was. That is the sad reality.

PhilOssophy

My honest opinion is I would love to see airmiles being assigned to everybody. You are allowed a certain amount per year, after that you are massively taxed for the travel.
I know we live on an island, but I think everybody needs to travel less, or else pay massively for the privilege.
This virus would never have spread with anything like the speed it did if people hadn't become so adjusted to such constant travel and transmitted it in the process.

Thelonious Monk

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

You think the locals care? The amount of money that tourism brings to these places is astronomical.


So many places would be run down ghost towns if it wasn't for the tourists. I don't expect any major changes to happen to world travel.

I think they do care yes. I have Dutch friends who would never live in Amsterdam because of rent prices and how crowded the streets are. I know Venice and Barcelona also have big movements against tourism and cruise ships etc.
The culture we have in rich countries now of everyone wanting to visit everywhere doesn't seem sustainable to me.

Thelonious Monk

PhilOssophy wrote: »

My honest opinion is I would love to see airmiles being assigned to everybody. You are allowed a certain amount per year, after that you are massively taxed for the travel.
I know we live on an island, but I think everybody needs to travel less, or else pay massively for the privilege.
This virus would never have spread with anything like the speed it did if people hadn't become so adjusted to such constant travel and transmitted it in the process.

Yes, also would have to make sure they're not transferable or people will just buy them from others.
Maybe this whole mess will make people reassess what is really important and be happy with less of everything, I hope so anyway.

PhilOssophy

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes, also would have to make sure they're not transferable or people will just buy them from others.
Maybe this whole mess will make people reassess what is really important and be happy with less of everything, I hope so anyway.

Hopefully. It is probably the 1st full pause in many of our relentless lifetimes, so a good time to take stock. I have definitely re-assessed what and who I need in life in the last few weeks, that's for sure.